Is Benny Hinn is a Traditional Catholic Charismatic in the medieval mystic vein?

[mgrfin]

Thanks for the good write-up. When I started this thread I should have defined Mystic as a noun so that we would all be on the same page. Webster’s says a Mystic is “A person who seeks direct knowledge of God through contemplation and prayer.” and “contemplation is a form of devotion.”

And naturally, before I do something like practice Saint Margaret Mary’s 3rd vision, I have at least one Bible verse to back me up. In this case, seeing how it a Catholic Church, I use the New American Bible of Vatican II. (Romans 8:27) says, “He who searches hearts knows what the Spirit means, for the Spirit intercedes for the saints as God himself wills.

According to my interpretation of that Bible verse and Webster‘s definition of Mystic, whether it be Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, or myself (if it’s God’s will) the Medieval Saints will intercede so that we know the mind of the Spirit.

Lets face it, many Catholics pray to the saints rather than let the saints intercede, so they never know what the Spirit means. I am trying to get permission from the pastor to let me lay prostrate for an hour every Thursday evening rather than just on the eve of First Friday. Saint Margaret Mary was a mystic and God told her to lay prostrate face down every week on Thursday or Friday night.

What worries me about this thread is that, apparently, Baptism is out the window. The fact that Benny Hinn was raised Catholic and is Baptized the same as we are, seems to mean nothing to modern computerized Catholics. As a mystic I seek direct knowledge of God through devotion to Saint Margaret Mary, and like Benny Hinn, all I have left is my Baptism.

What I’m trying to find out is whether Benny Hinn will be on the same page with me, because of the Miracle Crusade coming up the end of this month? Remember that many healing miracles surrounded events with Saint Margaret Mary.

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For one thing, Benny Hinn never cured anyone. He is not a mystic. If you want to know what a mystic is, read the lives of St. Theresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, St. Therese of Lisieux, St. Francis of Assisi.

Benny Hinn may have been a Catholic, I don’t know. He seems to take pride in his ‘Catholicism’. But at the moment, he is outside of the Church Jesus Christ founded.

Baptism is only one of the Sacraments. The life of the Church revolves around a complete sacramental life. You don’t only have Baptism left, you have all the sacraments, and they revolve around the Eucharist, which you didn’t seem to mention.

If you want to lay prostrate on Thursday evenings, do it at home. The pastor and the parishoners might find it odd to see a Christian prostrate on the sanctuary floor - for what purpose I don’t know.

As far as the saints go. We pray to the Saints to intercede for us.
The life of the Spirit grows in us through our Sacramental life, for the Sacraments give grace of themselves, that the Spirit might grow in us.

I don’t know how you came to believe that Benny Hinn is a mystic. He is a fraud, and collects money for his own personal gain. I give him credit. He is an actor, par excellence, but an actor nonetheless. He fools lots of people.

peace

 

[holy_roamer]

Sorry, but I typed the lyrics for “Holy are You Lord” by Terry MacAlmon from the small sheet included with the CD, and I made a typo.

“To make His Glory know, stinging” should read, (To make His Glory known, singing)

Hello mgrfin,

If you want to lay prostrate on Thursday evenings, do it at home. The pastor and the parishoners might find it odd to see a Christian prostrate on the sanctuary floor - for what purpose I don’t know.

I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut on whether Benny Hinn has a mystical link with the medieval saints. However, I would like to ask you, “When was the last time that someone told you how to meditate, where to meditate, questioned your purpose, or even made remarks about how you meditate?”

Don’t you think that maybe you crossed the line?

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[mgrfin]

Sorry, but I typed the lyrics for “Holy are You Lord” by Terry MacAlmon from the small sheet included with the CD, and I made a typo.

“To make His Glory know, stinging” should read, (To make His Glory known, singing)

Hello mgrfin,

I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut on whether Benny Hinn has a mystical link with the medieval saints. However, I would like to ask you, “When was the last time that someone told you how to meditate, where to meditate, questioned your purpose, or even made remarks about how you meditate?”

Don’t you think that maybe you crossed the line?
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I’m like Johnny Cash - I walk the line.

What are you objecting to? You don’t wonder about someone laying prostrate on the sanctuary floor, in the name of prayer or meditation.

That kind of spirituality is not practiced in convents, seminaries and monasteries. I assure you if some seminarian threw himself on the terrazzo during morning meditation, he would be sent home.

Taking your spirituality over the edge, outside of the norm, beyond sacramental practice in the Church should be, and is viewed very skeptically in our Church.

If someone commented on my ‘meditation’, I would wonder how they knew I was even praying or meditating. But, if I stood up, during Vespers, rent my garments and starting ranting and raving, and nobody said anything to me - hmm, I’d wonder.

When you step beyond the realm of normalcy, you should be questioned. I hope people would watch out for my sanity.

“Mens sane, et corpore sane”.

As for Benny Hinn, him wacking people, and claiming they were healed and cured - pure fakery.

peace

 

[VL93]

The view from Benny Hinn’s parents’ Church:

The concept of prelest, a key one in Orthodox ascetical teaching, is completely absent in the … world which produced the “charismatic” movement; and this fact explains why such an obvious deception can gain such a hold over nominally “Christian” circles, and also why a “prophet” like Nicholas Berdyaev who comes from an Orthodox background should regard it as absolutely essential that in the “new age of the Holy Spirit” “there will be no more ascetic world view.” The reason is obvious: the Orthodox ascetic world view gives the only means by which men, having received the Holy Spirit at their baptism and chrismation, may truly continue to acquire the Holy Spirit in their lives; and it teaches how to distinguish and guard oneself against spiritual deception. The “new spirituality” of which Berdyaev dreamed and which the “charismatic revival” actually practises, has an entirely different foundation and is seen to be a fraud in the light of Orthodox ascetical teaching. Therefore, there is not room for both conceptions in the same spiritual universe: to accept the “new spirituality” of the “charismatic revival” one must reject Orthodox Christianity; and conversely, to remain an Orthodox Christian, one must reject the “charismatic revival” which is a counterfeit of Orthodoxy.

Father Seraphim Rose, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (pp 176-177).

 

[holy_roamer]

The view from Benny Hinn’s parents’ Church:

The concept of prelest, a key one in Orthodox ascetical teaching, is completely absent in the … world which produced the “charismatic” movement; and this fact explains why such an obvious deception can gain such a hold over nominally “Christian” circles, and also why a “prophet” like Nicholas Berdyaev who comes from an Orthodox background should regard it as absolutely essential that in the “new age of the Holy Spirit” “there will be no more ascetic world view.” The reason is obvious: the Orthodox ascetic world view gives the only means by which men, having received the Holy Spirit at their baptism and chrismation, may truly continue to acquire the Holy Spirit in their lives; and it teaches how to distinguish and guard oneself against spiritual deception. The “new spirituality” of which Berdyaev dreamed and which the “charismatic revival” actually practises, has an entirely different foundation and is seen to be a fraud in the light of Orthodox ascetical teaching. Therefore, there is not room for both conceptions in the same spiritual universe: to accept the “new spirituality” of the “charismatic revival” one must reject Orthodox Christianity; and conversely, to remain an Orthodox Christian, one must reject the “charismatic revival” which is a counterfeit of Orthodoxy.

Father Seraphim Rose, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (pp 176-177).

Okay, thanks for the Orthodox view on Benny Hinn. That’s probably why the authors of those articles label him as a Catholic. All you have to do is search the internet for “Benny Hinn Catholic”.

The Vatican accepts Catholic Charismatics, and even sent a nice letter Commending all of them to the loving intercession of Mary, mother of the Church. I have the letter here if you want it. The Protestant Charismatics are intermingled with the Catholics, and no one can tell me that the Vatican didn’t know about that when they wrote that commendation.

After all the hard work we Protestants did ministering to Catholics, I appreciate commendation, even if we weren’t mentioned.

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[Zooey]

Benny Hinn is not Catholic. He was born & raised in the Free Methodist Church, in Canada.
The FMC excommunicated him some years ago. He may have somehow acquired an ordination from somewhere (Universal Life Church or the like), but one of the reasons he was dismissed from the FMs, was because he had been impersonationg a clergyman…

All this was before he became famous…He has several versions of his life story, none of which features the FMC…which is a small enough denomination that he could be kept track of what he was doing.
These days,he alternates between claiming to be Catholic, & to be Greek Orthodox.
I think he’s a conman.

 

[holy_roamer]

I’m like Johnny Cash - I walk the line.

What are you objecting to? You don’t wonder about someone laying prostrate on the sanctuary floor, in the name of prayer or meditation.

That kind of spirituality is not practiced in convents, seminaries and monasteries. I assure you if some seminarian threw himself on the terrazzo during morning meditation, he would be sent home.

Taking your spirituality over the edge, outside of the norm, beyond sacramental practice in the Church should be, and is viewed very skeptically in our Church.

If someone commented on my ‘meditation’, I would wonder how they knew I was even praying or meditating. But, if I stood up, during Vespers, rent my garments and starting ranting and raving, and nobody said anything to me - hmm, I’d wonder.

When you step beyond the realm of normalcy, you should be questioned. I hope people would watch out for my sanity.

“Mens sane, et corpore sane”.

As for Benny Hinn, him wacking people, and claiming they were healed and cured - pure fakery.

peace

Do I have to tell you again that it’s none of your business how I meditate? I hope that you don’t loose any sleep over this. Out of charity I will give you some explanation, so that you will be able to get some sleep tonight.

Father Wiener (pronounced VEE-nayr) is from the Father Land and Saint Margaret Mary (the patron saint) was from France. Consequently, the church leans towards the European cultural customs. It’s a European cultural custom to welcome guests. Father Wiener has been very successful with this tactic in converting large numbers into the Traditional Catholic Faith. The parish has been a big success since he arrived from Europe.

I am probably pushing my luck by laying prostrate in front of the shrine with my face to the earth, but no one answered my email requesting permission. It’s save to assume that if it was a big deal someone would surely have responded by now.

Here is Saint Margaret Mary’s 3rd vision if you are interested:

In the same year 1674, within the octave of Corpus Christi, before the Blessed Sacrament exposed, she received the third message. Our Lord appeared with five suns, His five wounds; and the most brilliant of the five was in His side, the living source of all love. He spoke as in times past of the ingratitude of men and called upon Margaret Mary to make up for all that was wanting. He gave her the means for so great an act of love by a flame so agonizing that she thought she would be “consumed” in it. She cried out, “Have pity on my weakness.” “I shall be your strength,” Our Lord replied.
And He told her what He required of her; first, to receive Him in the Blessed Sacrament; second, always to do so without fail on the first Friday of the month; third, every week on the night of Thursday or Friday, to lie prostrate for an hour, her face to the earth, to share the “mortal sadness” which He had chosen for His own in the Garden of Olives. These three commands she was to fulfil within the limits of the obedience owed to her superiors.

I hope and pray that this will help you settle down to a good night’s sleep. There is nothing to worry about, because I’m only following the instructions that God gave to Saint Margaret Mary.

[Edited by Moderator]

Hope this helps;

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[AcaciaFern]

Holy_roamer: You indicated that you have not actually obtained permission via email or any other way from the parish. Do you know anyone at this parish? [Edited by Moderator]

 

[Quinault]

Benny Hinn in my opinion isn’t even a Christian.

He belives that God is nine parts;
Son; body /soul/spirit,
Father; body/soul/spirit,
Holy spirit; body/soul/spirit.

He also belives that Christ would have sinned without the Holy Spirit and would have remained in the grave ‘if the Holy Ghost had changed His mind about raising Him from the dead’

And also that Christ ‘became one with the nature of Satan’ and was ‘born again’ in hell.

Benny Hinn claims to actually be a channel for God–that God enters him and takes over his mind and tongue to the point where he is unaware of what he has said. After his sermon on December 31, 1989, at Orlando Christian Center, during which he gave several future prophecies, Hinn expressed that he was drunk–presumably on the Holy Spirit–and asked someone to tell him what he had just said

 

[holy_roamer]

Holy_roamer: You indicated that you have not actually obtained permission via email or any other way from the parish. Do you know anyone at this parish? [Edited by Moderator].

No, I don’t know anyone, and I’m a visiting Protestant Charismatic. I was there laying prostrate at the shrine last Thursday during Holy Hour, and Father Zak plus a few monks were at the rail during the entire hour. It was impossible for them not to see me. I thought that the service was a devotion for Saint Margaret Mary, because it was on Thursday evening at 7:00 PM. Later, when I read the church bulletin I found out that the service was a prayer for the priests and seminarians. While laying face down I could only see the rail, so if Father Wiener was at the alter I couldn’t see him.

It was a beautiful service with organ music and choir. Were you there?

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[mgrfin]

Do I have to tell you again that it’s none of your business how I meditate? I hope that you don’t loose any sleep over this. Out of charity I will give you some explanation, so that you will be able to get some sleep tonight.

Father Wiener (pronounced VEE-nayr) is from the Father Land and Saint Margaret Mary (the patron saint) was from France. Consequently, the church leans towards the European cultural customs. It’s a European cultural custom to welcome guests. Father Wiener has been very successful with this tactic in converting large numbers into the Traditional Catholic Faith. The parish has been a big success since he arrived from Europe.

I am probably pushing my luck by laying prostrate in front of the shrine with my face to the earth, but no one answered my email requesting permission. It’s save to assume that if it was a big deal someone would surely have responded by now.

Here is Saint Margaret Mary’s 3rd vision if you are interested:

I hope and pray that this will help you settle down to a good night’s sleep. There is nothing to worry about, because I’m only following the instructions that God gave to Saint Margaret Mary.

[Edited by Moderator]

Hope this helps;

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I am quite familiar with the Devotion to the Sacred Heart, and the First Fridays devotion. I grew up with that, and practiced it always.

However, laying prostrate before the altar for one hour on the Thursday before the First Friday was not part of the devotion.
I never heard of it until you mentioned it. Making a holy hour before the exposed Holy Eucharist was part of the devotion, but prostrate??? I think not.

I’m not going to lay awake at night worrying about you and your devotion, meditation, prayer, etc.

But the Church has never publicized this part of the Devotion to the Sacred Heart, and I reiterate that the spiritual training that priests, nuns, seminarians go through in centers of spirituality does not include this extreme.

Prostration, as an official part of the liturgy occurs (occured) on two occasions: during the Litany to the Saints, the ordinands (to Holy Orders) prostrate themselves before the Bishop.

The other time was during Holy week, but I believe that part of the ceremonies of Holy Week no longer exists. I don’t know of any other.

I just don’t think we should be recommending this part of the Devotion to the Sacred Heart which is more than the Church recommends.

peace

 

[holy_roamer]

Benny Hinn in my opinion isn’t even a Christian.

He belives that God is nine parts;
Son; body /soul/spirit,
Father; body/soul/spirit,
Holy spirit; body/soul/spirit.

He also belives that Christ would have sinned without the Holy Spirit and would have remained in the grave ‘if the Holy Ghost had changed His mind about raising Him from the dead’

And also that Christ ‘became one with the nature of Satan’ and was ‘born again’ in hell.

Benny Hinn claims to actually be a channel for God–that God enters him and takes over his mind and tongue to the point where he is unaware of what he has said. After his sermon on December 31, 1989, at Orlando Christian Center, during which he gave several future prophecies, Hinn expressed that he was drunk–presumably on the Holy Spirit–and asked someone to tell him what he had just said

Congratulations, you get an A+ for the best one yet. Where did you find it? God in 9 persons? Can we believe all these different stories, that is the question? Something doesn’t add up?

The HP Pavilion in San Jose seats 20,000 people and it will be full to capacity with worshipers during the 27th and 29th of this month. I don’t know if you have ever been at one of his crusades, but when 20,000 people sing Terry MacAlmon’s “Holy holy holy are You Lord“ over and over and over, it’s awesome. I mean, really awesome! But on the other hand, there are all these stories about Benny Hinn‘s theology? It just doesn’t add up? What is going on here?

By the way, all Charismatics are simply channels for the Holy Spirit. We are more or less a witness of the Gospel. Kind of like empty vessels. When you see all those 20,000 worshipers at the HP Pavilion with their hand lifted to the Lord, if you picture the individuals as empty vessels praising the Lord, it will help you understand.

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[Quinault]

I was raised charasmatic, I HAVE been to one of his crusades, several days in a row actually
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I am REALLY not impressed. He is a snake oil salesman.

Everything else I mentioned are things he has said in television interviews.

 

[holy_roamer]

I am quite familiar with the Devotion to the Sacred Heart, and the First Fridays devotion. I grew up with that, and practiced it always.

However, laying prostrate before the altar for one hour on the Thursday before the First Friday was not part of the devotion.
I never heard of it until you mentioned it. Making a holy hour before the exposed Holy Eucharist was part of the devotion, but prostrate??? I think not.

I’m not going to lay awake at night worrying about you and your devotion, meditation, prayer, etc.

But the Church has never publicized this part of the Devotion to the Sacred Heart, and I reiterate that the spiritual training that priests, nuns, seminarians go through in centers of spirituality does not include this extreme.

Prostration, as an official part of the liturgy occurs (occured) on two occasions: during the Litany to the Saints, the ordinands (to Holy Orders) prostrate themselves before the Bishop.

The other time was during Holy week, but I believe that part of the ceremonies of Holy Week no longer exists. I don’t know of any other.

I just don’t think we should be recommending this part of the Devotion to the Sacred Heart which is more than the Church recommends.

peace

That’s okay, I understand. It seems like I have been on a channel with Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque? People probably think that I’m a crazy Charismatic.

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[historyb]

So if your not a Catholic why are you in our Churches, unless maybe to embrace the full truth.

As far as benie he’s a fraud so big he makes lawyers look good. He was caught having his people pull out the money from the envelopes and throw the prayers away. Great person

youtube.com/watch?v=FUyPjeIFKug

The lies of benny boy.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.