Is Bible Corrupted By Human, Did God Knew That It Going To Happened

[anjoh66]

Planten has still not answered my question why Jesus is supposed to have went to Kashmir after the crucifiction.

Why Kashmir? Why India? Is it because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was from there?

Its like the mormons who claim that he went to america.

 

[jakasaki]

your english is good but your writing doesnot make sense. Whereas my english is bad but my writing make sense.

I can tolarate poor English to a degree, it might give me a headache trying to decipher it, **but there is nothing about your writing nor your logic that makes any sense **- nada - zilch - zero

 

[planten]

If Jesus has never returned and is not with us now, how do you explain all of the Saints who have seen him, (i.e. Saint Faustina Kowalska vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20000430_faustina_en.html) and Eucharistic Miracles that confirm that Jesus did, in fact, give us His Body and Blood at the Last Supper (therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html). How do you also explain the appearance of His Blessed Mother numerous times (at Fatima, Lourdes, Guadalupe, etc)?

You also haven’t explained how you know that Muhammad didn’t actually receive his “revelations” from Satan. Muhammad contradicted God’s Word 600 years after It had already been confirmed.

**Jay, That is alright. the day you will feel about Muhammad the way we Muslims feel about Jesus, you will be a much better person. If Jesus appeared to some people that is possible. It can only be in some vision, not real walking talking Jesus in the world again.

Muhammad did not contradict any word of God. Just like Jesus came to confirm the Torah and to implement it, Muhammad came to clear the differences that existed between Jews and the Christians, and he did it well.

Why are you running so much after the Satan?. the Satan will be running after you very soon and will over power you. Remember the Satan cannot produce a huge spiritual book like Quran. the Satan will never praise Jesus and his Mother. What do you say?

Whatever be the case, the Satan will never say a word of praise for Jesus. satan will never say that Jesus was a good man. Leave the word about Jesus being God. Satan will never say that Jesus was even a good man. What you people are thinking is entirely wrong because you have wrong feeling in your mind about the good things. May be it is jealousy. islam had proved its point in it own good times.**

 

[MelanieAnne]

**Jay, That is alright. the day you will feel about Muhammad the way we Muslims feel about Jesus, you will be a much better person. If Jesus appeared to some people that is possible. It can only be in some vision, not real walking talking Jesus in the world again.

Muhammad did not contradict any word of God. Just like Jesus came to confirm the Torah and to implement it, Muhammad came to clear the differences that existed between Jews and the Christians, and he did it well.

Why are you running so much after the Satan?. the Satan will be running after you very soon and will over power you. Remember the Satan cannot produce a huge spiritual book like Quran. the Satan will never praise Jesus and his Mother. What do you say?

Whatever be the case, the Satan will never say a word of praise for Jesus. satan will never say that Jesus was a good man. Leave the word about Jesus being God. Satan will never say that Jesus was even a good man. What you people are thinking is entirely wrong because you have wrong feeling in your mind about the good things. May be it is jealousy. islam had proved its point in it own good times.**

Planten, with all due respect, you are wrong. People saw the resurrected Jesus not as a vision, but as a man. They touched Him. He even encouraged some to do so. He dined with them. He was not a “vision”. You are misguided if you believe that.

Rather than attack and disparage subjects you are unprepared to discuss because of your lack of information, perhaps your time would be better spent contemplating why Muhammad felt the need to both steal from Jewish and Christian scripture and also justify himself relying on the same scripture described as “corrupt”. If Islam is built on corrupt scriptures, then Islam itself is corrupt.

 

[sedonaman]

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May be it is jealousy.

, LMAO!

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… islam had proved its point in it own good times.**

No, it didn’t. Error cannot produce truth. Any idea that relies on error to prove itself is itself in error.
Fact # 1: Mohammed relies on the Bible to prove himself.
Fact # 2: Mohammed says the Bible is in error [through corruption].
Fact # 3: Because they rely on error, Mohammed and Islam, therefore, are in error and should be rejected based on their own contradictory claims.
Fact # 4: Mohammed has placed himself in an inescapable dilemma. Why can’t you see that?

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I appaluse for your response. But my heart doesnot believe all this coz person who died will never return to this world until judgement day. And jesus suppose to come back before judgement day. And why he is coming back if you told all story above. What is the reason for jesus to come back. If every thinking settled down. Just One big bang and finsih the world coz jesus settled down everything as you told above.

Christ’s death and resurrection represented freedom from death. Those who had passed when mankind was separated from God would be separated no more. When He went down to hell and freed those within, that was simply for those who had died before the crucifixion who were awaiting the resurrection under the old covenant. Those after the crucifixion, in the new covenant, are awaiting the final resurrection at the end. It wasn’t a “big bang” action.

Your continual problem is that you are going at Christian theology not with an open mind but with a hard heart, where everything has to match Muslim theology. This is why you are having trouble understanding our points and why you seem to be returning to the circular logic of your religion’s apologetics.

Any Christian Any Christian!!!

OK, I’m going to be firm now…

I have told you not to do that - it is annoying, impatient and unnecessary. If you do that one more time, even by accident, I will report you for spamming.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Adam and Eve repented and God forgave them.

When did this happen?

 

[jakasaki]

Christ’s death and resurrection represented freedom from death. Those who had passed when mankind was separated from God would be separated no more. When He went down to hell and freed those within, that was simply for those who had died before the crucifixion who were awaiting the resurrection under the old covenant. Those after the crucifixion, in the new covenant, are awaiting the final resurrection at the end. It wasn’t a “big bang” action.

Your continual problem is that you are going at Christian theology not with an open mind but with a hard heart, where everything has to match Muslim theology. This is why you are having trouble understanding our points and why you seem to be returning to the circular logic of your religion’s apologetics.

OK, I’m going to be firm now…

I have told you not to do that - it is annoying, impatient and unnecessary. If you do that one more time, even by accident, I will report you for spamming.

I admire your patience Wolf…

 

[tomshaikh]

Uh…but the Muslims are the ones that has limited God to their own thoughts that God cannot incarnate into human being. They are the ones that have limited God to God unable to revealed Himself to human being. They are the ones who think that God would never be able to become Human but at the same time retain His Divinity and His Omnipresence.

They have limited God to what they perceive.

Well what happens to the children of israel when they demanded to see Allah/God. So moses say okay i will ask Allah/God to show himself. But what happened when he tried to show his appearance to children of israel which is called choosen people. They can’t bear it. Where as Moses one occation want to see him first alone. Moses fell unconscious on the ground. What kind of son of God or God jesus pbuh is that nothing happened to no body. Who was that Allah/God which showing hisself to choosen people and who was jesus man in flesh (forgodsake) was he. People come to the truth I am telling you all. How many common sense ethics i have to tell you you NON-BELIVERS. Hell is not the good place

 

[tomshaikh]

I can tolarate poor English to a degree, it might give me a headache trying to decipher it, **but there is nothing about your writing nor your logic that makes any sense **- nada - zilch - zero

Can you tolarate Moses too like Pharoh off his bad speech. Huh Huh Huh
He ask Allah to convey message with the help of his brother Aaron. I have brothers but they are busy in there life and they speak marvelous english. Open your eyes and believe me oh non-believers

 

[MelanieAnne]

Well what happens to the children of israel when they demanded to see Allah/God. So moses say okay i will ask Allah/God to show himself. But what happened when he tried to show his appearance to children of israel which is called choosen people. They can’t bear it. Where as Moses one occation want to see him first alone. Moses fell unconscious on the ground. What kind of son of God or God jesus pbuh is that nothing happened to no body. Who was that Allah/God which showing hisself to choosen people and who was jesus man in flesh (forgodsake) was he. People come to the truth I am telling you all. How many common sense ethics i have to tell you you NON-BELIVERS. Hell is not the good place

With all due respect Tom, the relationship between Allah and Muslims is one of Master to Slave.

For Christians, the relationship between God and Christians is one of Father to Child.

One thing that Jesus showed us is that we do not have to live like slaves. Slavery to any God is a Pagan concept. Islam reintroduced the concept of slavery to God/Allah. In that way, it is like earlier Pagan religions.

If God/Allah wants us to be slaves, then I do not want Him. If you want to be slave to Allah, that is your choice. I choose not to be a slave.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Can you tolarate Moses too like Pharoh off his bad speech. Huh Huh Huh
He ask Allah to convey message with the help of his brother Aaron. I have brothers but they are busy in there life and they speak marvelous english. Open your eyes and believe me oh non-believers

Is this how your Imams teach Tom? Ranting? No logic, no reason, just shouting and insults to those who do not believe as you do? Where do you learn this behavior and why do you think it is effective?

This is not how any rational person is persuaded to change their minds. This bullying behavior is not effective.

 

[jakasaki]

Is this how your Imams teach Tom? Ranting? No logic, no reason, just shouting and insults to those who do not believe as you do? Where do you learn this behavior and why do you think it is effective?

This is not how any rational person is persuaded to change their minds. This bullying behavior is not effective.

It must be the teenage hormones kicking in along with a confused teen mind -

 

[tomshaikh]

With all due respect Tom, the relationship between Allah and Muslims is one of Master to Slave.

For Christians, the relationship between God and Christians is one of Father to Child.

One thing that Jesus showed us is that we do not have to live like slaves. Slavery to any God is a Pagan concept. Islam reintroduced the concept of slavery to God/Allah. In that way, it is like earlier Pagan religions.

If God/Allah wants us to be slaves, then I do not want Him. If you want to be slave to Allah, that is your choice. I choose not to be a slave.

because you think you are better than Adam and God/Allah. which satan used to say to Allah that i am better than Adam why i want to bow infront of Adam. He made with mud and i (satan/iblis)made with fire. So i am better than him. So Allah say leave this place called heaven you are MURDUD(nothing for me). So satan ask permission from Allah and give him strength to make people satan buddies till judgement day. So Allah says who ever are Momeen (pious people) will never impress with you where as who are Lose with their faith will eventually become ur follower and will dwell with you in hell. I am smart dude i am explaining very well can somebody atleast tell me or give me hint.Allah O Akbar Allah O Akbar Allah O Akbar

 

[planten]

Christ’s death and resurrection represented freedom from death. Those who had passed when mankind was separated from God would be separated no more. When He went down to hell and freed those within, that was simply for those who had died before the crucifixion who were awaiting the resurrection under the old covenant. Those after the crucifixion, in the new covenant, are awaiting the final resurrection at the end. It wasn’t a “big bang” action.

**B Wolf, You are different. The Jews do not believe that Jesus was God who died for the sins of the sinful Jews. Muslims also do not believe that jesus died for the sins of the sinful people. You have your theology. The Jews and the Muslims have their theology. Who is differing? It is the Catholics.

You are yet not on any comfortable level with the Muslims due to your aggressive and wrong belief about Muhammad and Islam. While you want the whole world to believe in your many wrong notions, you are not ready to accept that God may send an angel to one of his servants (muhammad). There had been angels coming before and at the time of Jesus.

I tell you that according to Islamic faith, angels have been coming to mankind with messages from God. They are even coming today too. Angels will keep on descending upon the rightful persons till the day of judgement. But new scripture will not be revealed now after the last prophet Muhammad (and after the Quran, the Last testament.) These are the beliefs of the muslims. They are written just for your information without prejudice to all your beliefs. You may accept or reject the Islamic teachings, as you like.**

Your continual problem is that you are going at Christian theology not with an open mind but with a hard heart, where everything has to match Muslim theology. This is why you are having trouble understanding our points and why you seem to be returning to the circular logic of your religion’s apologetics

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**That is right. The Muslims have a complete code of life in the Quran which is unchanged. So it is bettr that the Muslims follow their book and you follow your book. Thanks.

Shaikh is on a mission to preach to the catholics because the Catholics are busy preaching to the whole world about christianity. So let him do that on the internet please.**

OK, I’m going to be firm now…

I have told you not to do that - it is annoying, impatient and unnecessary. If you do that one more time, even by accident, I will report you for spamming.

**B Wolf, you have come to your dead end with any beloving words. You are threatening now. Why? Some other friends have also threatened here on the forum. It means you have failed to support your faith.

Please do not address the Muslim from now on and do not indulge in downplayng islam or Muhammad on this forum in future.Other wise there will be replies from the non-Catholics too.So bear them well.**

 

[MelanieAnne]

because you think you are better than Adam and God/Allah. which satan used to say to Allah that i am better than Adam why i want to bow infront of Adam. He made with mud and i (satan/iblis)made with fire. So i am better than him. So Allah say leave this place called heaven you are MURDUD(nothing for me). So satan ask permission from Allah and give him strength to make people satan buddies till judgement day. So Allah says who ever are Momeen (pious people) will never impress with you where as who are Lose with their faith will eventually become ur follower and will dwell with you in hell. I am smart dude i am explaining very well can somebody atleast tell me or give me hint.Allah O Akbar Allah O Akbar Allah O Akbar

Sorry Tom, but you make no sense at all.

You sound like you are repeating something someone told you, and saying it over and over. Are you trying to convince someone else or are you trying to convince yourself? You say things as if they were true but these things have no basis in reality. Where do you get these ideas? From Quran? Is that why what you say makes no sense?

 

[planten]

** I would suggest to TOmShaikh not to preach to these christians. Only just tell these Catholics that their beleifs are all wrong and we Muslims do not entertain any good feelings about the beliefs and deeds of the present day christians.

I hope they will not be upset as per some of their forum rules. We Muislims think that the catholic theology is all wrong. When they do not want our point of view as per Islam, then the best we can do is to say that the christian beliefs are utterly wrong.**

 

[tomshaikh]

Is this how your Imams teach Tom? Ranting? No logic, no reason, just shouting and insults to those who do not believe as you do? Where do you learn this behavior and why do you think it is effective?

This is not how any rational person is persuaded to change their minds. This bullying behavior is not effective.

Well i apologize for that. Coz Allah in Quran mention that debate in a good and decent way which i am not doing it. I will from now on try to focus on that. Thanks for reminding me anywayz we are not infront of each other and i will have more hold on words if i talk like that. But i will try my best to talk polite.

 

[sedonaman]

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The Muslims have a complete code of life in the Quran which is unchanged.
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Which Quran is unchanged?

 

[sedonaman]

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…Only just tell these Catholics that their beleifs are all wrong …**

Then Islam is all wrong because Mohammed claimed to be part of the same [wrong] revelation.