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surfinpure
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Sorry about mixing up the posts, Moo. I accidentally posted under my husband’s username and had to delete it and post under mine. Love your username! LOL
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The song is obviously anti Catholic. All the mental gymnastics in the world can’t spin Joel’s intent. Read the lyrics.
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Steph700
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Going on 3 days straight of this song running through my head! Everytime I see this thread it pops back in.
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MooCowSteph
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I seem to be in the minority, but I just don’t agree…there are no “mental gymnastics” involved. It’s more anti-teenage boy than anti-catholic.
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2shelbys
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surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
Whoa, back up… “Just The Way You Are” is offensive???
Why didn’t someone tell me? I’d’ve socked my then-future husband for serenading me with that song on our first date, eighteen years ago!
I thought the song was finally saying, “hey, look, you don’t have to pretend to be someone you’re not in order to attract a man”, which went against what I grew up believing for the longest time (Mom’s advice: “talk about HIM”, “ask questions about HIS job”, “learn to enjoy HIS interests”, and the biggie, “don’t argue about what HE believes”–and don’t trash my mom about this, okay? EVERY girl’s mom was telling her the same thing in my neighborhood!)
It’s all about perspective sometimes, isn’t it?
Actually, getting back to the original post (anyone else remember it?) which stated that the song “Only the Good Die Young” was getting heavy airplay on a supposedly “family friendly” station, I agree that certain songs shouldn’t make the playlist on that kind of format. Case in point: recently, I was in the car with my son and nephew (ages 11 and 8), listening to one of our local stations that plays “soft favorites” and often repeats the slogan “a radio station you can play and not worry if the kids are listening, too”. No sooner than the slogan ended and the next song was Marvin Gaye’s “Sexual Healing”. I hit the button to switch over to a “family friendly” country station and got blasted with “SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A COWBOY”. :bigyikes: At this point, I shut the radio off.
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Why didn’t someone tell me? I’d’ve socked my then-future husband for serenading me with that song on our first date, eighteen years ago!I thought the song was finally saying, “hey, look, you don’t have to pretend to be someone you’re not in order to attract a man”, which went against what I grew up believing for the longest time (Mom’s advice: “talk about HIM”, “ask questions about HIS job”, “learn to enjoy HIS interests”, and the biggie, “don’t argue about what HE believes”–and don’t trash my mom about this, okay? EVERY girl’s mom was telling her the same thing in my neighborhood!)
It’s all about perspective sometimes, isn’t it?
Actually, getting back to the original post (anyone else remember it?) which stated that the song “Only the Good Die Young” was getting heavy airplay on a supposedly “family friendly” station, I agree that certain songs shouldn’t make the playlist on that kind of format. Case in point: recently, I was in the car with my son and nephew (ages 11 and 8), listening to one of our local stations that plays “soft favorites” and often repeats the slogan “a radio station you can play and not worry if the kids are listening, too”. No sooner than the slogan ended and the next song was Marvin Gaye’s “Sexual Healing”. I hit the button to switch over to a “family friendly” country station and got blasted with “SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A COWBOY”. :bigyikes: At this point, I shut the radio off.
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2shelbys
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[Actually, getting back to the original post (anyone else remember it?) which stated that the song “Only the Good Die Young” was getting heavy airplay on a supposedly “family friendly” station, I agree that certain songs shouldn’t make the playlist on that kind of format.
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You are absolutely right. Whether or not we feel that a particular song (or TV program, or whatever) is offensive to us personally, we have to recognize that there are simply things that are not appropriate in all situations. While I have no problem with the song in question, that does not mean that I believe it is an appropriate song to play in all formats. I would certainly not expect to hear it on a Christian or “family friendly” station. I personally do not listen to radio other than talk radio. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc. When I want to hear music I pop in a CD. That puts the control in my hands, where it belongs.
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You are absolutely right. Whether or not we feel that a particular song (or TV program, or whatever) is offensive to us personally, we have to recognize that there are simply things that are not appropriate in all situations. While I have no problem with the song in question, that does not mean that I believe it is an appropriate song to play in all formats. I would certainly not expect to hear it on a Christian or “family friendly” station. I personally do not listen to radio other than talk radio. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc. When I want to hear music I pop in a CD. That puts the control in my hands, where it belongs.
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tomkin
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Boy, this whole Billy Joel discussion sure stikes a raw nerve with me!! About a hundred years ago my wife and I and another couple decided it might be fun to DRIVE to Florida ( in July, yet!!) to go to Disney---- someone accidentally left the box with all the tapes in it on the back window ledge and they all melted in the sun!!!
So what’s the problem? The only tape to survive this disaster was a Billy Joel one!!! My friend’s wife loved the guy, so we ended up listening to him the ALL THE WAY DOWN!!!
Needless to say, I can’t even stomach him singing the national anthem anymore!!! The only thing that saved my sanity was that somehow the tape disappeared before the ride back. It’s one of those mysteries—
With feigned innocence,
Tomkin
So what’s the problem? The only tape to survive this disaster was a Billy Joel one!!! My friend’s wife loved the guy, so we ended up listening to him the ALL THE WAY DOWN!!!
Needless to say, I can’t even stomach him singing the national anthem anymore!!! The only thing that saved my sanity was that somehow the tape disappeared before the ride back. It’s one of those mysteries—
With feigned innocence,Tomkin
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psychemusic
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2shelbys,
Though you’re good at putting words into other people’s mouths, your message is weak. In fact, I’m not even sure why you posted on this thread, except to wag a finger at others. You want us to remember that others don’t think like we do? That’s it? Or was it just to say your dad knew Billy Joel and he’s really a nice guy?
I personally don’t care, nor did I ever at any time state, what Billy’s intentions are. All I can do is read his message, loud and clear: Catholics are hypocrites, and women live to be seduced and dominated.
Would I be caught dead in the act of defending his music? Never.
Though you’re good at putting words into other people’s mouths, your message is weak. In fact, I’m not even sure why you posted on this thread, except to wag a finger at others. You want us to remember that others don’t think like we do? That’s it? Or was it just to say your dad knew Billy Joel and he’s really a nice guy?
I personally don’t care, nor did I ever at any time state, what Billy’s intentions are. All I can do is read his message, loud and clear: Catholics are hypocrites, and women live to be seduced and dominated.
Would I be caught dead in the act of defending his music? Never.
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surfinpure
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2shelbys,
Though you’re good at putting words into other people’s mouths, your message is weak. In fact, I’m not even sure why you posted on this thread, except to wag a finger at others. You want us to remember that others don’t think like we do? That’s it? Or was it just to say your dad knew Billy Joel and he’s really a nice guy?
I personally don’t care, nor did I ever at any time state, what Billy’s intentions are. All I can do is read his message, loud and clear: Catholics are hypocrites, and women live to be seduced and dominated.
Would I be caught dead in the act of defending his music? Never.
Though you’re good at putting words into other people’s mouths, your message is weak. In fact, I’m not even sure why you posted on this thread, except to wag a finger at others. You want us to remember that others don’t think like we do? That’s it? Or was it just to say your dad knew Billy Joel and he’s really a nice guy?
I personally don’t care, nor did I ever at any time state, what Billy’s intentions are. All I can do is read his message, loud and clear: Catholics are hypocrites, and women live to be seduced and dominated.
Would I be caught dead in the act of defending his music? Never.
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MooCowSteph
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surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
I really don’t get that when I read the lyrics…he actually says they are pure longer than other women. It’s not pro-Catholic, but offensive?? Not really that much. Just my opinion…It’s just a song! There are way more offensive songs than this one. Turn on any rap station. No, nevermind…don’t.
BTW, it was phatrunt29 who said he father knew Billy Joel, not 2Shelbys
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surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
I think it is best if we just agree to disagree on this one. This has been an amazing experience. My first post on a board supposedly full of Catholics (who in my experience are always pleasant and thoughtful people) merely asking for civility results in a barrage of attacks from you accusing me of doing what only you are actually doing. You, who are dead sure that you have everyone else’s thoughts and motives figured out, acuse me of putting words in people’s mouths. You, who are endlessly attacking me for merely asking people to refrain from making comments that are nasty or violent, acuse me of “wagging my finger” at people. And that comment about what his “message” is… you are definitly pulling that out of thin air. I can’t find anything that viscious anywhere in any of his music. Maybe you have him confused with Eminem? Amazing stuff. Please re-read all of our posts and see for yourself who is truly doing what you acuse me of. You need to re-read them anyway. I never said anything about my Dad or any direct experience with Billy Joel. That was someone else who has the gall not to agree with you. As I said earlier, I respect your feelings about this song and your decision not to buy his music. I thought that it would not be asking to much for you show the same respect for my feelings. Since that resulted in the response it did, I guess I was wrong.
P.S. I did actually have one experience with Mr. Joel. Several years ago, one of my employees at a restaurant I owned had a birthday coming up and she absolutely loved Billy Joel. I called his management company to ask if autograph requests were actually answered by Mr. Joel or if he had someone use an autopen as so many stars do. I was told that he felt that anyone who bought his music deserved a genuine response. The guy told me to send my request directly to him and he would give it to Billy himself. Two weeks later I received a photo, on which Billy had written “Happy Birthday Lori !” and signed his name. The manager of the collecibles store in the mall (also a Billy Joel fan) verified it’s authenticity. Pretty nice guy. Hardly the monster you make him out to be.
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Giannawannabe
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I’m pretty much what some would consider a “prude”. However, I just don’t see what the fuss is over this song. Now, I have to admit, I’m a BIG Billy Joel fan and have been to several concerts. The song, IMO, is about a guy trying to get some pure Catholic girl in bed, but HE FAILS. Honestly, that’s how I always interpreted the words to this song. It’s really not that bad. Much, much worse out there, if you ask me.
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CinciMom
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I have to apologize but when I saw that last quote, I had to laugh. Not at you, but the whole idea of “family friendly” radio stations. I often think of the songs they play and think “My gosh, that sounds worse today than when I first heard it in 1980 something”.
Not to get off topic here, but if you ever watch Vh1’s I love the 80’s, 70’s series, there are more examples.
Just my two cents.
By the way, I am not offended by the song. I looked at it as a girl who staying true to her virtues while this boy tried to undermine them.
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wabrams
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I’ve never looked at it that way, but it does make a lot of sense.
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SweetPea
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You mean you actually take these silly Hollywood types SERIOUSLY???
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psychemusic
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That’s agreeing to disagree? Wow. Strangest interpretation of the phrase I’ve ever encountered.
Look. This thread isn’t about you or me. It isn’t about judgment, condemnation, sin, retribution, or fire and brimstone. For crying out loud, it’s a thread about BILLY JOEL and why or why not his music is appropriate.
Please note: if you want to get along well in a forum, any forum, it pays to be considerate of others, particularly in your opening post on a thread. Jumping into a discussion and calling people to task is no way to make friends. It doesn’t matter, I must stress, what wrongs you think they’ve perpetrated. Introducing yourself in the opening post as the forum’s conscience is inappropriate. If, on the other hand, you’ve been in discussion with us for a time already, and feel the need to caution us, *in love, *that perhaps our tone isn’t what it ought to be, then you have at that point earned the right to speak to the matter.
What you actually have to say of Billy Joel as pertains to your personal experience with the man is, of course, valid. That fits quite nicely into the discussion. Thank you.
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surfinpure
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That’s agreeing to disagree? Wow. Strangest interpretation of the phrase I’ve ever encountered.
Look. This thread isn’t about you or me. It isn’t about judgment, condemnation, sin, retribution, or fire and brimstone. For crying out loud, it’s a thread about BILLY JOEL and why or why not his music is appropriate.
Please note: if you want to get along well in a forum, any forum, it pays to be considerate of others, particularly in your opening post on a thread. Jumping into a discussion and calling people to task is no way to make friends. It doesn’t matter, I must stress, what wrongs you think they’ve perpetrated. Introducing yourself in the opening post as the forum’s conscience is inappropriate. If, on the other hand, you’ve been in discussion with us for a time already, and feel the need to caution us, *in love, *that perhaps our tone isn’t what it ought to be, then you have at that point earned the right to speak to the matter.
What you actually have to say of Billy Joel as pertains to your personal experience with the man is, of course, valid. That fits quite nicely into the discussion. Thank you.
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2shelbys
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That’s agreeing to disagree? Wow. Strangest interpretation of the phrase I’ve ever encountered.
I do not understand you here. There is no “interpretation”. It is merely a way to say that any further argument is pointless.
Look. This thread isn’t about you or me. It isn’t about judgment, condemnation, sin, retribution, or fire and brimstone. For crying out loud, it’s a thread about BILLY JOEL and why or why not his music is appropriate.
This thread (which I did not start) is exactly about judgement and condemnation. Judgement and condemnation of Billy Joel. I only posted to it to make the point (as you do) that it is only a song (with many possible interpretations) and is not important enough to be so negative about. Punch him in the face?
Please note: if you want to get along well in a forum, any forum, it pays to be considerate of others
**I have been considerate. I do not think that asking people to be civil is impolite. Do you? I admit that my last response to the attack on me was a little forceful but it was just that, a response. I did not initiate the attack. **
If, on the other hand, you’ve been in discussion with us for a time already then you have at that point earned the right to speak to the matter.
Again trying to be polite…are you kidding? Do you actually believe that people have to “earn the right” to speak here?
I spoke when I did because that is when I first visited here and noticed the nasty, violent comments. I do agree with you that a thread about a song is simply not that important, but this whole arena is not important enough that someone has to earn the right to participate. Who would have thought that asking a group of Catholics to refrain from making nasty, violent comments would provoke so much anger. As I said earlier, amazing stuff.
I do not understand you here. There is no “interpretation”. It is merely a way to say that any further argument is pointless.
Look. This thread isn’t about you or me. It isn’t about judgment, condemnation, sin, retribution, or fire and brimstone. For crying out loud, it’s a thread about BILLY JOEL and why or why not his music is appropriate.
This thread (which I did not start) is exactly about judgement and condemnation. Judgement and condemnation of Billy Joel. I only posted to it to make the point (as you do) that it is only a song (with many possible interpretations) and is not important enough to be so negative about. Punch him in the face?
Please note: if you want to get along well in a forum, any forum, it pays to be considerate of others
**I have been considerate. I do not think that asking people to be civil is impolite. Do you? I admit that my last response to the attack on me was a little forceful but it was just that, a response. I did not initiate the attack. **
If, on the other hand, you’ve been in discussion with us for a time already then you have at that point earned the right to speak to the matter.
Again trying to be polite…are you kidding? Do you actually believe that people have to “earn the right” to speak here?
I spoke when I did because that is when I first visited here and noticed the nasty, violent comments. I do agree with you that a thread about a song is simply not that important, but this whole arena is not important enough that someone has to earn the right to participate. Who would have thought that asking a group of Catholics to refrain from making nasty, violent comments would provoke so much anger. As I said earlier, amazing stuff.
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Donna_Mc
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I have always found the song offensive. 
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