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cainem
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in my younger days i found boxing and competition kung fu very helpful in channeling my aggression and teaching me self control/restraint, so i do not find it immoral
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Fortiterinre
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Believe it or not, this was one of the great questions we debated when I was working on my B.A. in philosophy. Our professor was a Domincan who had been an amateur champion. The general consensus we came to was that while boxing may have started as a sport, it seemed to be declining as one because of the increasing potential for major injury and the fact that money on the professional level was such a big part of it. “Ask a Franciscan” gives a good answer I think.
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Prairie212
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It’s immoral becauese your main goal is to inflict harm on the other person for the purpose of gaining money…atleast in the professional arena.
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Maccabees
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You obviously have never boxed on put on a pair of boxing gloves they are padded and we obviously don’t box bare knucke anymore. Indiviudal catholics may disagree on the appropriateness for their own particiaption in such events but boxing has been a public sport for hundreds of years and the church has never proclaimed anything against this sporting event. Again is is statistically safer than football and other sports that allow weapons to be used in a sporting even like hockey with merely a slap on the hand. Actually boxing is rather tame these days sports like Ultimate Fighting Championship which is no holds barred bare knuckle and kicking martial arts tournament. This is a far more violent sport that routinely results in broken bones for the participants.
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Argh
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You’re purpose shouldnt be to hurt someone. Any right-thinking professional fighter will tell you their goal isnt to hurt their opponent.
Professional American football players arent trying to hurt someone when they tackle each other
I dont think there is a increase in major injury right now. More and more boxing regulators (state and business) are requiring stricter medical guidelines. Gloves are inspected and signed by the manager, boxers are drug tested before and after bouts, doctors are required to be ringside and have the authority to stop a fight and some regulating agencies have begun mandatory MRI to check for brain trauma/damage. The days where the Mob literally ruled, boxers literally freezing their hands and blinding powder are pretty much gone. But everyone will always remember them.
Professional American football players arent trying to hurt someone when they tackle each other
I dont think there is a increase in major injury right now. More and more boxing regulators (state and business) are requiring stricter medical guidelines. Gloves are inspected and signed by the manager, boxers are drug tested before and after bouts, doctors are required to be ringside and have the authority to stop a fight and some regulating agencies have begun mandatory MRI to check for brain trauma/damage. The days where the Mob literally ruled, boxers literally freezing their hands and blinding powder are pretty much gone. But everyone will always remember them.
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Argh
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UFC isnt no holds barred if thats what you mean.
Yes, I’ve boxed, and I urinated blood for a few days, but otherwise fun.
Yes, I’ve boxed, and I urinated blood for a few days, but otherwise fun.
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Maccabees
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I agree with what you said my point with the UFC is that it is a more violent sport compared to boxing and allows for for more aggressive means of sport or martial art. I think if people are upset over boxing wait till they find out about UFC which can make boxing seem rather tame. There are rules in UFC but far less than in boxing.
IF catholics were to regulate boxing then what about UFC, football, hockey, heck hollywood stuntmen. This is a slippery slope. Like you said boxing is a sport and the intent is not to kill but to outlast your opponenet and the rules have made the sport a lot safer than the bare knuckle boxing of 100 years ago.
IF catholics were to regulate boxing then what about UFC, football, hockey, heck hollywood stuntmen. This is a slippery slope. Like you said boxing is a sport and the intent is not to kill but to outlast your opponenet and the rules have made the sport a lot safer than the bare knuckle boxing of 100 years ago.
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catherinesiena
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I think boxing is entertaining. The reality TV show “The Contender” is one of the best shows on TV right now. Very family, very passionate, very interesting.
P.S. I agree with the above statements that women should not be boxers. It just doesn’t seem natural.
P.S. I agree with the above statements that women should not be boxers. It just doesn’t seem natural.
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Genesis315
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catherinesiena said:
I watched that the other night. It was really cool. They edit out all the boring parts of your average bout and they only show the action
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Racer_X
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I said that there is nothing wrong with boxing. And there isn’t. Doing it is fine. Watching it is fine. But paying people to box is degrading. I would not subscribe to a televised event nor buy a ticket to a professional event.
But I’ll take on anyone reading this in the Kansas City area. Just let me know.
But I’ll take on anyone reading this in the Kansas City area. Just let me know.
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Argh
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catherinesiena said:
That women shouldnt participate in contact sports, professional boxing or boxing in general?
I think everyone here is just mad about *Million Dollar Baby. *
The UFC is a bit wierd, I certainly admit that. For those of you unfimiliar with “the octagon”, its basically boxing combined with grappling w/punching, kicking, submission holds, striking an oppenent while he’s on the ground. What is not permissable are strikes to the throat, groin and eye, small joint manipulation (no bending pinky fingers backwards), kicking or stomping an opponent on the ground (you must punch) and no eye gouging or pulling hair. It’s like watching an organized bar-fight…
It started as a single “no-holds-barred” tournament without weight classes. Kinda in order to settle once and for all the martial artist vs. the boxer vs. the wrestler argument. Despite it’s description of a “no-holds-barred” tournament, the previous rules still applied. Oh, yeah, and the tournament paid a professional boxer to fight and was immediately defeated by Brazillian JiuJitsu legend Royce Gracie. So that settled that.
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Zooey
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It’s not immoral. It’s revolting, though…
(Yeah, I know, I’m a girl, what do I know?)
(Yeah, I know, I’m a girl, what do I know?)
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mark_a
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The book “The Apostle” about Saint Paul suggests Paul may have been a boxer.
Don’t ask for scources, it’s just one of the book’s statements that stuck in my mind.
Don’t ask for scources, it’s just one of the book’s statements that stuck in my mind.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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## How does this…: ##
Respect for health
2288 Life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God.
We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good.
Concern for the health of its citizens requires that society help in the attainment of living-conditions that allow them to grow and reach maturity: food and clothing, housing, health care, basic education, employment, and social assistance.
2289 If morality requires respect for the life of the body, it does not make it an absolute value.
It rejects a neo-pagan notion that tends to promote the cult of the body, to sacrifice everything for it’s sake, to idolize physical perfection and success at sports.
By its selective preference of the strong over the weak, such a conception can lead to the perversion of human relationships.
2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air. 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law -
**## …make boxing bad ? **
**Next someone’ll be telling us cricket is bad, or rugger, or tossing the caber
**OTOH, a very good argument could be made that watching films is immoral - excommunication of Catholics in the film & TV industry might be seen as a modern form of the old sanctions against actors & playwrights. ##
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Gottle_of_Geer
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## And now for something less(?) aggressive… ##
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Michael_C
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I boxed for years when I was younger. it is a sport. Now that ultimate fighting championship stuff is another story, that may be immoral.
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FightingFat
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Michael C:
Why Michael? Isn’t it the same basic transaction, mano a mano? Raw skill? Who has the better technique, who trained the hardest? Who has the most commitment? Who has the most stamina?
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jimmy
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Gracie was tough, he won like 5 in a row. His brothers were really tough too.
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homeschoolhelen
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I just watched the most awesome movie “The Scarlet and The Black” It is from the 60’s I think but WOW! It is about a Monsignor O’Flaherty in World War II. The movie is a TRUE story and worth seeing. The movie opens with the Monsignor in a boxing ring and it plays a huge part for him in life! This confirmed that boxing is NOT immoral for me!
Blessings,
Helen
Blessings,
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Michael_C
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I don’t think the participants are protected enough. The chances of someone being seriusly hurt are much greater. You know that even in kick boxing the rules are much stricter. No holds barred with minimal protection in my opinion is a little barbaric. When I see it, I feel like I’m in the parking lot of a club at 3am on a saturday night.
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