Is CAF a good guide to theology, politics, and social attitudes among US Catholics?

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Well, if the Pope said he would kick around the idea of sacramentally ordaining them, then technically , if one accepts the Pope as the head of the Church, then it would be okay for us to kick around the idea on here.

But a whole lot of people would just say that’s it, this Pope is going against Church teaching and is a bad Pope, and if you agree you are going against Church teaching too, etc.
 
Hey OP. Catholics in general are all over the map on many issues. One of the challenges the Catholic Church faces is many Catholics don’t know what the church teaches on many subjects. So many Catholics, are sometimes not al, that catholic. I would say CAF is usually doctrinally strict on average.

I however quite often disagree with the tone and often opinionated nature of many of the threads and responses. We are supposed to teach and stand for the truth as Catholics see it. However we are not called to do it using a battering ram. So generally speaking I think CAF is a good place to get doctrinal information, but I think could use some work on the delivery.

Edit: by CAF I m referring to the forums btw nit the site itself.
 
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do the Catholics you know go to church?
Yes, I am talking about church-going laity, clergy, male and female religious, not just people who are culturally Catholic.
I condemned the hostility towards Islam (especially considering the attacks in Christchurch earlier this year) and I am very open to ecumenism
Yes, I do remember your comments about Islam and appreciate them very much. Living where I do, I interact with Muslims virtually every day. I went to school with Muslims. This is partly why I find it so sad to read comments on here that are hostile to Muslims and deliberately offensive about their prophet.
My ideal system is ‘Christian democracy’, quite popular on the continent and in Latin America.
Yes, Poland is a good example on the social justice side, although less so the democracy in recent years. The level of public services and welfare in Poland would horrify many people in the US, and yet it is one of the most Catholic countries in the world!
No Catholics like Duterte.
Oh, don’t be so sure! It was a long time ago now, but I certainly remember arguing with someone on here who was a big Duterte fan.
I am a brexiteer, and I like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Ann Widdecombe.
I am guessing from the NZ point of view this is because it could open the possibility of CANZUK and an EU-style superstate of the four most developed countries of the Commonwealth? I have to say, from the UK perspective, almost everyone I know sees only disadvantages to being outside the EU. The one person I know who is strongly pro-Brexit is in financial services and sees it as a way to have a deregulated economy based on financial services traded freely with countries all over the world (the so-called “Bringapore” model). I used to quite like Ann Widdecombe and thought she was a good Christian voice in the Conservative Party, addressing social justice issues from a centre-right perspective. Recently she’s become rather extreme. Apart from being pro-life, which doesn’t really feature in UK politics much anyway, I am not aware of any views Jacob Rees-Mogg holds that could be called particularly Catholic. He certainly has no discernible interest in the Church’s social justice teachings.
homosexual “civil unions” would turn NZ into a ‘moral wasteland’.
Strangely, the Catholic bishops here support civil partnerships, although not civil marriages. I understand people wanting to uphold Church doctrine. What I don’t understand is people wanting to go down the route of “homosexual predators recruit the next generation of sodomites” or “the Church doesn’t have a paedophile problem, it has a homosexual predator problem” or “there is only one reason why a homosexual would want to adopt a child”.
 
Very interesting. I didn’t know this about British culture.
I think the culture in Britain is complicated and it is changing rapidly. On the one hand, people are, in general, exaggeratedly polite. If somebody walks into you, you apologise, because you assume that it was your fault for being in their way, although they will also apologise because they walked into you. When two people are going through a door, they both want the other person to go first. When somebody eventually returns your phone call after a month, you assure them that it’s fine and you’re really not at all annoyed. Of course, this is a stereotype, and there are plenty of rude people here as there are everywhere, but it’s a stereotype that is based on a degree of reality.

But with regard to first names, people really do use first names almost exclusively now, except for the most formal of settings. You would use title and surname in court, for example, but there aren’t a lot of other settings in which you would use that exclusively. Thinking about my inbox, pretty much the only people with whom I use title and surname are people with whom I am pursuing some kind of dispute where it would seem disingenuous to begin using first names. But pretty much everyone else switches to first names after a more formal initial contact.
You don’t like dissenting opinions and wish everyone at CAF agreed with you.
Not at all. I am very happy for people to disagree with me. I have friends who are so left-wing they think I’m reactionary and I have friends who are so right-wing they think I’m a communist. I know people who belong to the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party. I used to work with somebody who stood for Parliament for the British National Party and we always got on just fine. I have friends who voted Remain and friends who voted Leave. I know people who are Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Baptists, Pentecostal, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists. I count a pagan and a Freemason among my closest friends.

I only asked the question because I was interested that this forum seems to attract a very different range of opinions to the range of opinions that I hear expressed by the vast majority of Catholics I meet in my actual life. I have also found myself disappointed by the tone that some people adopt when discussing topics on here. Your post on this thread is, in fact, a perfect example of the kind of intolerance that I have encountered here.
 
Your post on this thread is, in fact, a perfect example of the kind of intolerance that I have encountered here.
I can see where one might take his post as “intolerance”, but your summary does imply that you think the viewpoints of whatever type Catholics you are meeting and spending time around are “more correct”, just by virtue of the fact that you seem to think it’s odd that Catholics posting on CAF would hold a different view than the Catholics you meet.

The fact that you are presumably meeting Catholics in UK and ascribing these opposing views to Catholics in USA and generalizing them to the entire country of USA when in reality there are a LOT of regional biases further sounds like you’re being a little disdainful of the opposing views.

This may not have been your intent but you do come off as disapproving of the views that don’t conform to the ones held by those you meet. If I wanted to read your post as “European person ready to go on a typical European rant against USA” (I hear such rants all the time including from US expats and highly educated professors, elected officials etc) I could read it that way.
 
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I have friends who are so right-wing they think I’m a communist. I know people who belong to the Conservative Party…
You explicitly stated the “Catholics I know” differ from CAF then proceeded to generalize all CAF with right wing stereotypes , so is it just that the right wing friends aren’t Catholic?
I only asked the question because I was interested that this forum seems to attract a very different range of opinions
You generalized all CAF with right wing stereotypes like
CAF: Climate change denial.
So no your OP suggested CAF is a monolith of alt right, not “a very different range of opinions”
 
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No, it probably doesn’t reflect the views of most Catholics. Just a small percentage willing to go out of their way to discuss theology/other issues on a random internet forum. Also I didn’t really get most of the impressions that you got from CAF. That’s a bit odd.
 
Not at all. I am very happy for people to disagree with me. I have friends who are so left-wing they think I’m reactionary and I have friends who are so right-wing they think I’m a communist.
If your left-wing friends think you’re right-wing and your right-wing friends think you’re left-wing, you’re probably doing something right!
 
You don’t like dissenting opinions and wish everyone at CAF agreed with you.
Dissenting opinions aren’t the issue. It’s how people respond to express them. I think the OP’s questions deserve some mature dialogue, not other Catholics hissing back defensively with arched backs and fur sticking straight up.

(Yea. No Crazy Cat Lady around here . . . :crazy_face:)
 
I get flamed a fair bit on CAF because I am pretty strict about things originating from the devil and those not, and things that we as practicing catholics should not tolerate.
And that we should start listening to our exorcists, especially in this day and age.

This would not be the run of the mill attitude on any western continent, people say oh thats benign, thats harmless, that means nothing…the list goes on. Thank you modern media and desensitisation.

Talk to many from non western countries and those who have come from more traditional or rural or regional backgrounds in western countries and the discourse is less flaming and more Rosaries need to be said.

The focus on politics and political affiliations defining a person has really put the blinkers on in CAF IMHO
 
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I get flamed a fair bit on CAF because I am pretty strict about things originating from the devil and those not, and things that we as practicing catholics should not tolerate.
And that we should start listening to our exorcists, especially in this day and age.
I don’t see you getting flamed. I see people reasonably disagreeing with posts that they believe are overly superstitious and in their opinion lacking support in Church teaching.
 
I personally didn’t read the original post that way. I took it from a different angle/impression.
 
@Londoner

In real life Catholics make a up a really wide spread of political views and personalities and attitudes, but bear in mind that in real life people with conservative or neoconservative values tend to be more bashful and hidden compared to on the internet, since mainstream academia and media has shirked those views.

It’s the same reason Trump did poorly in the polls but ended up winning the election. A statistically significant percentage of people are closet supporters of Trump, the alt right, etc.
 
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Is CAF a good guide to theology, politics, and social attitudes among US Catholics?

I’d say probably not because it’s a web forum. In other words, like anything techno, it tends towards people who are tech-oriented, and then people who are of a specific tech-bent (cyber-Catholics - who are interested in a sort of activism); and, then, like any web forum, it’s got its share of trolls.

This site serves a good purpose, and it provides some great conversations, but - as for Catholicism on the whole - it is very limited. Even in the small, but burgeoning niche of Catholic cyber culture, it isn’t a hands-on (i.e. real life) professional pastoral counseling care site; it isn’t a music ministry hosting live liturgies, performances or masses; and it isn’t a relationships or dating ministry; and on average you’re not talking to people who are active decision-makers in the archdiocese, provinces, etc. And on the lay-side, CAF is also a competing independent ministry to many others, who actually provide real services, such as shelters, food pantries, etc…

Your question was broadly stated, so an accurate answer could only be broadly answered. I don’t have all the stats here, but the suggestions above should let you do so yourself according to your needs with a high level view.
 
My curiosity is about who CAF reflects attitudes among US Catholics, who make up most of who posts on here.
Generalizing that most posts here are US Catholics…
I’m not taking one side or the other, I am just curious because Catholics I know are very different to what I find on here
Of course you’re taking a side. There is
(1) “Catholics I know”
(2) CAF
That’s how you divide every topic, such as
Catholics I know: Vatican 2 very important. Also, writings of John Paul II.
To suggest people on CAF don’t think Vatican 2 or writings of John Paul II is important is incredibly false. I read it every day
CAF: Less interested in ecumenism, some hostility towards other denominations, esp. Baptists. Also hostile towards other religions, esp. Islam.
Brands all of CAF as Islamophobic
CAF: Katie Hill nudes a good thing.
Brands all of CAF into pornography
CAF: Fear about homosexual agenda, gender ideology. Sexual abuse crisis blamed on gay priests. Chick-fil-A a cause célèbre. Women’s sport allegedly overrun by biological males.
Brands all of CAF as bigots against gays and women

The irony is you’re accusing others of generalizing people based on group identity yet that’s exactly what’s happening with putting everyone at CAF into one bucket
 
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Londoner:
CAF: Fear about homosexual agenda, gender ideology. Sexual abuse crisis blamed on gay priests. Chick-fil-A a cause célèbre. Women’s sport allegedly overrun by biological males.
Catholics I know: Sympathy for LGBTQ+ people while accepting Church teaching.
These are all valid concerns. Cardinal-Archbishop Thomas Williams of Wellington said in 2004 that homosexual “civil unions” would turn NZ into a ‘moral wasteland’. He was right.
The Civil Union Act 2004 was able to do that all by itself?
 
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