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catharina
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Actually, while I recognize that you feel free to disagree with me, I have to object when you’re in error. It was in relation to Humanae Vitae (and Pope Paul VI) that many Catholics in this nation began to berate the Pope in terms of his “not listening” to the suggestions of the laity (as in: hey we’re a democratic nation).I couldn’t disagree more strongly. The real rejection and criticism of the pope came not regarding unorthdox practices - such were celebrated by many within the church (and of course by those outside the church if that tells you anything), but was in regard to his orthodoxy on moral issues such as abortion, contraception, etc.
Such rejections and criticisms went for the most part unaddressed - and in some circles (even among alot of clergy) - were celebrated vocally and publically.
On the other hand, criticism of unorthodox practices (traditional concerns that is) were never given such leeway…such were demonized instantly. Such concerns would get one thrown out of seminaries, off of parish councils, out of teaching PSR, etc. In fact, even criticizing those who criticized the pope on these matters was frowned upon as not being in line with the “Spirit of Vatican II”.
Only now are we beginning on a larger scale to realize such “traditional” concerns were and are legitimate. Thank you Pope Benedict XVI!
No my friend, if you are concerned with the “democratization” of the Church, your concern does not lie with “traditionalist” catholics. Not by a long shot. The very idea of “democratization” is a modern - “liberal” - phenomena. You won’t find it among traditionalists.
Peace in Christ,
DustinsDad
At that time, I recall no one of the traditionalist view making a public outcry to shut up the complainers (who were in error and who should have been SHUT UP). Further, when Pope John Paul II visited the States and was verbally insulted at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception by one (Sr.) Theresa Kane, rsm, who had been assigned to WELCOME him, again I remember no great outcry from ANY traditionalists at the profound disrespect and random cruelty exemplified by Kane’s behavior. In my opinion, the grievous example given by the most radical liberals has been followed and emulated by the most radical conservatives with the Church in this country.
It is only on CA and only by traditionalists that I have heard anyone refer to any of the Popes (over the past 100 years) as heretics and public sinners. I have objected strongly to such statements and will continue to do so - exactly as I objected strongly to remarks such as those offered by Theresa Kane and many others. Two similar wrongs will never make one objective right. As for those who dare to judge a Pope, I have to believe they put themselves at great risk of being judged for such actions. (The possibility of giving grave scandal to the young and innocent is another matter as well.)
So while the act of rebuking Popes might have been INITIATED by one group of extremists, it was never called to a halt by the other group. Indeed, the other group seems to have “caught the fever” of random condemnations of those who serve as Holy Father(s).
Please be assured that I am not accusing you of calling any recent Pope a public sinner or a heretic. In fact, I remember all too well what posters stated such things.
Needless to say (?), I believe there is no need for me to trust the opinions of those posters regarding the Church or her Teachings.