Is 'Charlie Charlie' a harmless game? Exorcist says absolutely not

[ToeInTheWater]

The point here is NOT that this “Charlie Charlie” actually exists, or that the pencils moving is evidence that some supernatural force did so. The physics behind why the pencils move have been described in other topics on CAF as well.

The point is that the whole idea of calling upon occult forces is NOT a safe thing to do. You never know who will show up. I’ve never used an Ouija board myself but I do remember some kids I knew in school used one at a slumber party once and were scared out of their wits.

Similarly to why trying to contact the dead through a medium is not safe. Chances are the medium is a charlatan who is using techniques such as “cold reading” to dupe you, but spirits do exist, unfortunately likely NOT the actual spirits of the dead but actual evil spirits/demons who might use the opportunity to show up.

 

[truetofaith]

I’m glad when I was in 8th grade the nun told us to never play with Ouija boards. You are inviting evil spirits in.

I listened to those good sisters!

 

[powerofk]

The point here is NOT that this “Charlie Charlie” actually exists, or that the pencils moving is evidence that some supernatural force did so. The physics behind why the pencils move have been described in other topics on CAF as well.

The point is that the whole idea of calling upon occult forces is NOT a safe thing to do. You never know who will show up. I’ve never used an Ouija board myself but I do remember some kids I knew in school used one at a slumber party once and were scared out of their wits.

Similarly to why trying to contact the dead through a medium is not safe. Chances are the medium is a charlatan who is using techniques such as “cold reading” to dupe you, but spirits do exist, unfortunately likely NOT the actual spirits of the dead but actual evil spirits/demons who might use the opportunity to show up.

Exactly - though “Charlie, Charlie” is about the equivalent of a “Magic 8 Ball”; it’s a silly game, but if your intentions are to summon the occult, then the occult will be summoned. The cards used for Tarot readings, are, in and of themselves, nothing more than playing cards (seriously, look it up) - it’s the use of them for summoning the occult that is forbidden (and many people practice cartomancy with standard “Bicycle” playing cards, anyway).

I’m glad when I was in 8th grade the nun told us to never play with Ouija boards. You are inviting evil spirits in.

I listened to those good sisters!

I was taught this in first grade - “The Oujia board is the devil’s game!” Never have even seen one of those boards out of the box displayed in the store. And never want to.

 

[Faith1960]

Wow.

It’s interesting how people believe in such stuff.

Not that I mean to disrespect the real work of exorcists, but this game is really not something they need to be concerned with. You can have the same effect just by laying the pencils out appropriately and not saying anything at all. Or you could pray the Rosary over it for all the good it would do (though I can’t think why you would). It’s gravity,.

That’s what another poster said in another thread. I don’t believe this stupid game is conjuring up a Mexican demon

 

[Faith1960]

Exactly - though “Charlie, Charlie” is about the equivalent of a “Magic 8 Ball”; it’s a silly game, but if your intentions are to summon the occult, then the occult will be summoned. The cards used for Tarot readings, are, in and of themselves, nothing more than playing cards (seriously, look it up) - it’s the use of them for summoning the occult that is forbidden (and many people practice cartomancy with standard “Bicycle” playing cards, anyway).

I was taught this in first grade - “The Oujia board is the devil’s game!” Never have even seen one of those boards out of the box displayed in the store. And never want to.

I won’t play with one now, but did as,a kid. I think my friend moved the marker. I never did believe we summoned spirits through a Milton Bradley game, but maybe I’m wrong.
This reminds me of Bloody Mary or whatever we called her. You stare at a mirror, in the dark and recite “Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary” and a grotesque woman is supposed to appear.
I was terrified of the mirrors in my room at night for months.

 

[TK421]

Ouija Boards don’t work. It was a board game designed by a game-inventor called Elijah Bond and the patent and trademark is now owned by Hasbro.

The Charlie Charlie game also doesn’t work.

Which isn’t to say the pencils don’t move, but it’s an entirely rational phenomenon which to excitable people (esp adolescents it seems) has a much more fun but very much less correct explanation, to wit, demons.

Exorcists shouldn’t sully their reputation by railing about something that they have no power to effect, except to take away a teenager’s pencil case.

What would be your definition of something that “does work”. Egyptian sorcery from the days of Moses? Haitian voodoo? Moving your fingers around in a select pattern? Psychics?

The nature of occultism is that the person is essentially engaging in anti-prayer. That is: the person is communing and seeking power or revelation from something other than God. It’s not really relevant what anti-sacramental you use for this, whether it’s a spiritist or a psychic or a pregnant hamster or a pencil case or a magic 8 ball or a bottle of Wishbone diet ranch dressing. If you happen to be using a magic 8 ball specifically for the purpose of divination, then yes, you are engaging in the occult. If you use zodiacs specifically for the purpose of divination, then you are engaging in the occult. It’s not as though there is a certain magical formula or set of reagents that need to be used in order for a sin to have occurred. Tradition has it that those who engage in occultism are prone to demonic possession.

Ours is not a role to acquire mastery over the present or the future, or the knowledge thereof, or mastery of administering spirits, but like Jesus Christ, to humbly submit ourselves to what the Father permits to happen to us. The occult is contrary to all of this.

 

[JimG]

A recent article on “Charlie:” Charlie challenge–conjuring the devil

 

[mikekle]

I won’t play with one now, but did as,a kid. I think my friend moved the marker. I never did believe we summoned spirits through a Milton Bradley game, but maybe I’m wrong.
This reminds me of Bloody Mary or whatever we called her. You stare at a mirror, in the dark and recite “Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary” and a grotesque woman is supposed to appear.
I was terrified of the mirrors in my room at night for months.

Back when my group of friends got involved with the Ouija board, a few different people tried using it, but eventually 2 specific girls turned out to be the ‘best vessels’, things like this require a certain type of person to work really well, certain people are more ‘open/ sensitive’ to receiving the spiritual realm, others are not.

The same thing can be said of magic, astral projection, etc. it takes a certain type of person to be successful at these types of things, Im not this type of person, but I do know a few spiritually sensitive people.

Also, keep in mind, it does not have to be the actual mass production board to access the spirits, we used a piece of cardboard and black marker, piece of broken glass, and it worked great, its just a tool, thats all it is, of course some can use it with nothing happening, or their subconscious moves it, and other times, when the right person uses it, the tool is able to be used to its full extent…

 

[truetofaith]

I, for the life of me, cannot see a practicing Catholic or born again Christian, wanting to try & contact a spirit or look in a mirror to see a face.

It goes against our Faith.

 

[kgb0804]

This is not something to be taken lightly. Any use of this kind of occultism is dangerous. It may very well be just two pencils and maybe an effect of gravity. That is not what is important. It is the fact the practicing this is a departure from God. The individuals place their trust in something other than Our Father as they look for a response. That leaves them open to attacks on their soul. Never forget satan is very real and will look for any opportunity to distract us from the faith and love we place in the Lord.

 

[SonOfMan]

IMO, the Church doesnt want its adherents getting the idea that there is knowledge to be accessed from other sources, because that weakens the adherents’ reliance on the Church for knowledge.

 

[truetofaith]

IMO, the Church doesnt want its adherents getting the idea that there is knowledge to be accessed from other sources, because that weakens the adherents’ reliance on the Church for knowledge.

Bull ----!

Who wants to “access” knowledge from satan or his demons!

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Bull ----!

Who wants to “access” knowledge from satan or his demons!

Indeed, wasn’t that the sin of Adam and Eve?

Even if you don’t believe in a literalist reading of Genesis, I think that men (and women) trying to obtain access to secrets and powers as if they are God, have always wound up with poor results so to speak.

This is different that the gift of prophecy, because that is a gift, not something the prophet acquired on his own without God’s help.

 

[truetofaith]

Indeed, wasn’t that the sin of Adam and Eve?

Even if you don’t believe in a literalist reading of Genesis, I think that men (and women) trying to obtain access to secrets and powers as if they are God, have always wound up with poor results so to speak.

This is different that the gift of prophecy, because that is a gift, not something the prophet acquired on his own without God’s help.

You are so right, Toe…Adam & Eve were forbidden to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, but satan convinced them to disobey God & we know the results!

 

[Mark121359]

THIS!!!

The nature of occultism is that the person is essentially engaging in anti-prayer. That is: the person is communing and seeking power or revelation from something other than God. It’s not really relevant what anti-sacramental you use for this, whether it’s a spiritist or a psychic or a pregnant hamster or a pencil case or a magic 8 ball or a bottle of Wishbone diet ranch dressing. If you happen to be using a magic 8 ball specifically for the purpose of divination, then yes, you are engaging in the occult. If you use zodiacs specifically for the purpose of divination, then you are engaging in the occult. It’s not as though there is a certain magical formula or set of reagents that need to be used in order for a sin to have occurred. Tradition has it that those who engage in occultism are prone to demonic possession.

Ours is not a role to acquire mastery over the present or the future, or the knowledge thereof, or mastery of administering spirits, but like Jesus Christ, to humbly submit ourselves to what the Father permits to happen to us. The occult is contrary to all of this.

Peace, Mark

 

[Sarcelle]

IMO, the Church doesnt want its adherents getting the idea that there is knowledge to be accessed from other sources, because that weakens the adherents’ reliance on the Church for knowledge.

What other sources pray tell?

Care to tell us what official Church teaching says that Catholics are forbidden to access knowledge? I know a lot of Catholic scientists and none of them were forbidden in their pursuit of knowledge by the Church.

 

[mikekle]

What other sources pray tell?

Care to tell us what official Church teaching says that Catholics are forbidden to access knowledge? I know a lot of Catholic scientists and none of them were forbidden in their pursuit of knowledge by the Church.

Isnt there a bible verse that mentions towards the end days, there would be in ‘increase in knowledge’…Ive always been curious about what they were talking about, some say this is a perfect description of the internet and that is somewhat true, I can honestly say, whenever I have a question about something, I can google it and usually find the answer quickly, in the past this would have not been possible, or not as quickly at least, so Im not sure theres an actual increase in knowledge due to the internet, as its basically just known knowledge put into one place.

Maybe there will come a time when our knowledge does actually increase, maybe mankind will make some kind of discovery that is just so huge, it will change the world as we know it.

What do you think they meant by this?

 

[SonOfMan]

What other sources pray tell?

Ouija boards, spirits, demons, psychics, crystal balls, horroscopes, fortune cookies probably p), occult stuff etc.

I wasnt commenting on whether these things work or give correct info or not (my personal opinion is they do not work) because that isn’t the point. The Church doesnt want people to have the idea that there might be other knowledge, because as I said earlier, it can weaken a persons’ reliance on the Church as the sole arbiter of information.

Care to tell us what official Church teaching says that Catholics are forbidden to access knowledge?

Im pretty sure Divination is strictly forbidden and condemned in the CCC.

 

[Faith1960]

Ouija boards, spirits, demons, psychics, crystal balls, horroscopes, fortune cookies probably p), occult stuff etc.

I wasnt commenting on whether these things work or give correct info or not (my personal opinion is they do not work) because that isn’t the point. The Church doesnt want people to have the idea that there might be other knowledge, because as I said earlier, it can weaken a persons’ reliance on the Church as the sole arbiter of information.

Im pretty sure Divination is strictly forbidden and condemned in the CCC.

Has anyone watched show Ghost Adventures? I used to watch it for a laugh, but imo, it’s gotten darker. I tried watching it last night and one of the guys claimed to be grabbed by his ear and the spirit had claws. He was convinced he’d had an encounter with Satan.
When they see things that show up on camera, hear things that show up on audio, or things show up on their equipment, do you think they’re faking it for the show, or do you all think it’s real ghosts and demons?

 

[Sarcelle]

Ouija boards, spirits, demons, psychics, crystal balls, horroscopes, fortune cookies probably p), occult stuff etc.

I wasnt commenting on whether these things work or give correct info or not (my personal opinion is they do not work) because that isn’t the point. The Church doesnt want people to have the idea that there might be other knowledge, because as I said earlier, it can weaken a persons’ reliance on the Church as the sole arbiter of information.

Im pretty sure Divination is strictly forbidden and condemned in the CCC.

Oh, okay. I misunderstood. I though you meant that the Catholic Church was against science, which is false.

To me, divination, is basically nonsense. I believed that when I was an atheist and I still believe that as a Catholic.