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RebeccaJ
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I also agree with this.Not anti-atheist. More anti-atheism.
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Exalt
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And thatās just another way of saying that you have no idea what Iām thinking.
As a matter of fact, I worship nothing.
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Aleii
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Hereās a thread about Hitler. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=8452
Every group of people will have bad apples on each side. Look at people like Oliver OāGrady - does that mean all Catholics are evil? Of course not. To generalize like that really does not make a valid argument.
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porkscratchings
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Sorry for the late late replyā¦
If there were atheists in the Old testament - how do we know they are actually atheists, or believers of another faith outside the understanding of the OTās Jewish writers?
Rejection or refusal to believe in a particular God do not make a person an atheist - atheism is a rejection of all gods, and any forces that canāt be proven (e.g.psychic powers, ghosts, tarot cards etc.). Atheism as defined in this way never existed in the time of the Old Testament.
Early man didnāt understand why stuff happens - why does lightning strike tall trees, why do people get sick and die, etc. and felt that the forces that cause these things must be caused by gods/God. There is no historical record or archeological evidence that suggests atheism existed back in the Stone Age, Bronze Age etc. but there is a lot of evidence for religion and belief in various types of gods and spirits.
But if these people existed back in beginning of mankind there must be evidence of these atheists. Without archeological evidence, I canāt accept that atheism existed the same time as the old testament.
Not all Christians are the same - some use their religion to do good, other use their religion to do evil. Atheists are the same - some of them good and some of them bad. Actually, it was when I discovered this fact that I became an atheist. Before that I was more of an agnostic.
Yes - thereās lots of rules banning all sorts fun staff. But, if u were to try to be a good person (without reading the scriptures) there would still be a lot of stuff u canāt do. Having moral values does not mean u have to believe in God. iāve met lots of good people who believe in God, gods, ghosts or none of the above. The fact that they donāt believe in the Catholic God - does this make them evil, even if they live good lives?
Hey thanks. u r pretty decent urself.
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porkscratchings
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Communism isnāt a bad thing - itās just the people that believed in it went round doing the wrong things. Same goes for religion - the history of Christianity is full of atrocities against non-believers. Does that make religion evil?
BTW - Hitler isnāt an atheist. He is a practising catholic who dabbled in astrology and paganism. His book Mein Kampf is full of comments about how God is on his side, God will aid the rise of the German people, etc. I donāt think an atheist would write a book about God being on his sideā¦
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Mannyfit75
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He wasnāt but he didnāt practiced what he preached. If he was indeed a practicing Catholic he would not be killing Jews. He would not have send Catholics to death camps. Communist however are atheists, and I believe Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
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porkscratchings
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It doesnāt matter who killed the most - murder of one person or mass murder of many is wrong. It also doesnāt matter whether the person doing the killing is Christian or atheist.
Hitler sent Catholics to the death camps because they wouldnāt do what he wanted, not because they were Catholics.
And saying that Hitler is not a Catholic because he is non-practising or didnāt follow all the rules is a cop-out that allows the Church (or whoever is in charge) to claim no acts of murder/genocide were ever committed by someone of their religion.
Not all Communists are atheists. Not all atheists are Communists. To lump both together shows ignorance of both atheism and Communism.
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exoflare
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What you put as your first priority in life, is what you āworshipā.
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Mannyfit75
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The Government of Communism invoke atheistic views. Officially they are atheist.
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Aleii
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No true Scotsman, huh?
Atheism and communism are not synonymous. Being an atheist does not mean you are a communist.
atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths/a/Communism.htm
Please back up what you are saying instead of just making accusations and spewing hate about a group you do not like.
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Aleii
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My family is first priority in my life. There are significant things I want to do, that I do not, for the betterment of my family. There are also things I personally do not want to do, but do anyways, for my family.
So are you saying I worship my family?
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Aleii
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Abuses are done in the name of communism/totalitarianism, not in the name of atheism.
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xmydreamsfadex
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exactly. if you donāt put God first in your life, then youāre breaking the commandment.
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johnnydigit
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if you donāt subscribe to anything, you actually subscribe to only one thing - yourself. instead of following Godās morals, you follow your own. instead of following Godās laws regarding what is wrong or right, you follow only what you think is wrong or right. when you study God more it will become more clear.
SelfĀ“ism
**n.****1.**Concentration of oneās interests on oneās self; self-love; selfishness.
if you want to become a better person, grow in character, strength, spirit, achieve ultimate peace and happiness, you must let go of what you think is right and wrong - which is faulty, and follow that which is perfect, which is God. sure you can accomplish some of these on your own, to a very limited extent, but this is where faith comes in to show you that to do so would be holding you back like an iron ball and chain.
you have access to the greatest discovery in human history, in all of existence. donāt let it go because of pride. think of your family and descendantsā¦
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c659smith
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Unlike all other creatures ever created we were made with a concious to know right from wrong.
From Adam and Eve, Headhunters in the jungle, the murderer, we all know when we are doing wrong as Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.
A Human not ever hearing of God knows him and as such chooses to follow his concious (God) or the flesh and sin. One may not have the full understanding but knows there is something greater than himself unlike an animal. No an atheist knows of God but chooses to deny his own concious supposedly.
An moral Atheist is an individual to whom follows just below Gods Commandments as he will not submit his will to another āJesus Christ.
From Adam and Eve, Headhunters in the jungle, the murderer, we all know when we are doing wrong as Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.
A Human not ever hearing of God knows him and as such chooses to follow his concious (God) or the flesh and sin. One may not have the full understanding but knows there is something greater than himself unlike an animal. No an atheist knows of God but chooses to deny his own concious supposedly.
An moral Atheist is an individual to whom follows just below Gods Commandments as he will not submit his will to another āJesus Christ.
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Syele
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Iām the one that voted maybe. If you mean does it say itās wrongā¦ of course it does. If you mean does it justify hatred of people because they have no belief in God. NO.
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xmydreamsfadex
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i donāt think, i could be wrong, that christians ever killed atheists. however, there are plenty of times in history where atheists killed theists.
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Xuan
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I think you will find many more instances of theists of one flavor killing theists of another.
Iām not an atheist, but I think some of the points made here arenāt quite valid. For example, the one about the apple. If the apple were invisible, the example would be much more valid. The athiest doesnāt believe in gods because he isnāt aware of proof that they exist, not to mention the fact that heās never seen one. Thus, to make the comparison more comparable, the apple would have to be invisible.
I know a few atheists, and they donāt have a belief that gods donāt exist; they simply donāt have a belief that they do.
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Iām not an atheist, but I think some of the points made here arenāt quite valid. For example, the one about the apple. If the apple were invisible, the example would be much more valid. The athiest doesnāt believe in gods because he isnāt aware of proof that they exist, not to mention the fact that heās never seen one. Thus, to make the comparison more comparable, the apple would have to be invisible.
I know a few atheists, and they donāt have a belief that gods donāt exist; they simply donāt have a belief that they do.
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c659smith
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What proof would an atheist need?
Would he need to put his fingers in the hands of Christ or in his side?
I would say that an atheist is one who puts own personal comforts above his beliefs and common sense
The old story is true there are no atheist in a fox hole.
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An atheists mind set is I swear there is no heaven and pray there is no hell.
I have time to enjoy life rather than come at or above the line of belief and to conform.
Would he need to put his fingers in the hands of Christ or in his side?
I would say that an atheist is one who puts own personal comforts above his beliefs and common sense
The old story is true there are no atheist in a fox hole.
Military 22 years.
An atheists mind set is I swear there is no heaven and pray there is no hell.
I have time to enjoy life rather than come at or above the line of belief and to conform.
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Xuan
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I suppose that would vary from individual to individual. What would it take for you to believe in a god you donāt believe in now?
You certainly seem anxious to pass judgement on people you donāt even know. Jesus taught his followers not to do that.
I know atheists who are much more ethical and moral than many christians I know. Itās more about the person than about the religion he has or doesnāt have.
No, the thing about no atheists in fox holes is not true.
Military 20 years (as if that makes any difference).
You certainly seem anxious to pass judgement on people you donāt even know. Jesus taught his followers not to do that.
I know atheists who are much more ethical and moral than many christians I know. Itās more about the person than about the religion he has or doesnāt have.
No, the thing about no atheists in fox holes is not true.
Military 20 years (as if that makes any difference).
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