Is Church Militant Schismatic?

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Examples, please. Which heretic and schismatic is Michael voris promoting? Give an example of being “above the Church”.
 
One example of Michael Voris’s problematic teaching is his claim that modern faithful Jews are not the Jews of the covenant, but rather are part of a ‘man-made’ religion. This is not the teaching of the Church.
 
HvonB said:
From Catholic World News:

January 25, 2013

Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City, Missouri, has confirmed that the National Catholic Reporter should not advertise itself as a “Catholic” publication.
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Then bishops that don’t preach Church teaching and cover up abuse shouldn’t be called CAtholic either.

But this is just one Bishop.

Simply put, people that do not like LifeSite or CM don’t like them b/c they are exposing corrupt priests and bishops and they aren’t always charitable. They aren’t teaching anything contrary to the faith
 
TheLittleLady said:
I’d say that the person who is not well grounded in the Faith might be pushed toward schismatic groups from a diet of Church Militant/LifeSite News.
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Well put.

I’d be hard-pressed to say that Church Militant is schismatic by the technical sense of that word. They are not and have never been an official Catholic apostolate, so there is no point at which they “broke away” from that which they were never connected.

But spending a lot of time feeding your soul with articles and videos from these types of groups is not going to help you become a more faithful Catholic.
 
The27thPsalm said:
Inasmuch as they promote heretics, schismatics, and think of themselves as above the Church, I tend to think of them as those things, and avoid them accordingly. Your professor is probably right. And nothing they report on will aid your salvation, and may be a detriment to it, so it is not okay to watch or read in my eyes, but of course you can disagree.
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So what do you do if you feel there is massive corruption in the Church? Just go along with it? Or do you try to out that corruption?
 
Interesting. Can you point to the Church’s teaching on modern day Jews?
 
Pray and fast, while making sure you yourself are not corrupt. The last thing primarily by slow prayerful study of all the Church and Scripture teaches. Reading about it and worrying and worse being sinfully angry over it has never done a single thing for the salvation of any soul (and this is the one thing necessary). Also, a feeling may not be what reality is.
 
How can a bishop be wrong for doing his job? If a ministry will not be under some authority, they simply cannot be Catholic. That is the Catholic thing. Michael Voris knew this and complied. This act of obedience should be commended.

So, Voris is not schismatic. He is a Catholic and his position is a Catholic position, albeit not the only one. He is definitely not typical or mainstream. If his criticism and insults of your brothers and sisters in the faith offend you, do not listen, but he is Catholic. I can’t stand that sort of thing myself, so I only listen to it when I believe I have need to clear up facts.
 
Why would anybody want to listen to such anger and vitriol? Life is too short for that!
 
Please. Church Militant is NOT schismatic. “Schismatic” means someone is broken with or split off from the church. Clearly CM is nothing of the sort. Their writings and videos are provocative and not “politically correct“, but that is not the same thing as being schismatic. I find far more to like about CM, than not to like. The fact that Michael Voris finally admitted his homosexual past, and totally owned the issue, was an incredibly honorable thing for him to do and only reinforced traditional church teaching. I would admire that even if I did not like his apostolate.
 
Here’s an example:
  1. Because of the unique relations that exist between Christianity and Judaism - “linked together at the very level of their identity” (John Paul II, 6th March, 1982) - relations “founded on the design of the God of the Covenant” ( ibid .), the Jews and Judaism should not occupy an occasional and marginal place in catechesis: their presence there is essential and should be organically integrated.
  2. This concern for Judaism in Catholic teaching has not merely a historical or archeological foundation. As the Holy Father said in the speech already quoted, after he had again mentioned the “common patrimony” of the Church and Judaism as “considerable”: “To assess it carefully in itself and with due awareness of the faith and religious life of the Jewish people as they are professed and practised still today, can greatly help us to understand better certain aspects of the life of the Church”
 
Church Militant is not schismatic at all. Being a critic of the hierarchy does not make someone a schismatic.

I know they do have other videos and information available to subscribers that cover other things that I haven’t seen as I’m not a subscriber, but they are largely known for providing Catholic news coverage that doesn’t need a subscription. So by taking the blunt news angle and tone, you have to just take that for what it is. It’s not going to have the same tone as EWTN or other Catholic media outlets.

I will listen to them from time to time (and admittedly hearing him call out some people that should be called out in the wake of the scandals was refreshing), but I also listen to other outlets as well, because I like balance.

You don’t have to listen to him if he’s not your cup of tea, but they are not schismatic.
 
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The27thPsalm said:
Pray and fast, while making sure you yourself are not corrupt. The last thing primarily by slow prayerful study of all the Church and Scripture teaches. Reading about it and worrying and worse being sinfully angry over it has never done a single thing for the salvation of any soul (and this is the one thing necessary). Also, a feeling may not be what reality is.
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We should always pray and fast, whether there is mass corruption or not in the Church. Should the faithful just sit by and let it happen though? Scripture says otherwise
 
The Vatican Commission For Religious Relations With The Jews, Notes on the correct way to present the Jews and Judaism in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church
 
CatholicSooner said:
I’m not sure if the Church has ever spoken to that or if there is even a need to speak to that
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Pope St. John Paul II: During his historic visit to the Great Synagogue of Rome, Pope Saint John Paul II said, “The Jewish religion is not ‘extrinsic’ to us, but in a certain way is ‘intrinsic’ to our own religion. With Judaism, therefore, we have a relationship which we do not have with any other religion. You are our dearly beloved brothers, and in a certain way, it could be said that you are our elder brothers” (April 14, 1986, Speech at the Great Synagogue).
 
CatholicSooner said:
Thanks. I guess I don’t see how that applies to the jews of today.
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Well let me help since I don’t understand how you could have read the sections and not get that:

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

(emphasis mine)
 
And on a more mundane note, he has lied publicly that his organization is non-profit.
 
How is Church Militant not non-profit?

I know nothing of Church Militant’s finances, but I wonder if there is a misunderstanding about the way non-profit organizations operate under the law. They are allowed to pay salaries, and they are able to operate in surplus, investing unused funds in order to spend them another year. What are they doing that could be improper?
 
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