IS Contraception allowed in extreme situations?

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Hi, I’m new here 🙂

My husband and I have lost 6 pregnancies. The last one the doctor had to “cauterize” things as I was bleeding to death. He told me that technically, I can still conceive but if I do, both the baby & me will die so I either stay celebate or find some contraception.
What do we do? We are firm in the faith and believe in following the rules, no contraception. But somewhere I thought {wishful thinking?} that in extreme cases like this, the allowance to contracept was allowed? Help?
PS: if you know of a letter {? encyclicl?} from one of the Popes please specify it for my husband’s curiosity?
Sincere thanks~ heart: ❤️
 
I noticed that this is your third post on the site. As wonderful a place as CAF is, it can be a rather contentious, aggressive forum. My guess is you are going to get some very blunt answers and then arguments among the contributors. My concern is that such acrimony might really hurt you and I can’t imagine the pain you must have already gone through, with a history like that.

My advice? Let whatever is said here run off you like rain on the roof and go speak with a priest you trust and respect. Also, talk a good, Catholic doctor or nurse. I know that our Lord will help you find a good solution. I’ll be praying for you and your family.

Paul
 
Prayers for you.

In situations where certain death will result from pregnancy, as ALL forms of artificial contraception - including vasectomy and tubal ligation - have a failure rate, the only choice would be abstainence until menopause.

Have you had a second and third opinion on the certainity of death?

Perhaps you can practice the most conservative form of NFP (as many couples where the life and health of the mother is in danger do.)
 
I noticed that this is your third post on the site. As wonderful a place as CAF is, it can be a rather contentious, aggressive forum. My guess is you are going to get some very blunt answers and then arguments among the contributors. My concern is that such acrimony might really hurt you and I can’t imagine the pain you must have already gone through, with a history like that.

My advice? Let whatever is said here run off you like rain on the roof and go speak with a priest you trust and respect. Also, talk a good, Catholic doctor or nurse. I know that our Lord will help you find a good solution. I’ll be praying for you and your family.

Paul
T7, as someone who is not yet Catholic, it might be best to assume the OP wants the perspective of Catholic teaching.
 
TC, as someone who is not yet Catholic, it might be best to assume the OP wants the perspective of Catholic teaching.
My name is Paul, not TC.

That is exactly why I suggested she speak to a priest or a Catholic health care professional.

Paul
 
Please accept my condolences for the loss of your little ones.

According to the Humanae Vitae:
vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html

Apparently only the “rythym method” is to be used. Unfortunatly this method is iffy at best. I agree with the former poster who said to talk to your priest.

However it seems that you are ready to be a mother, and I get the feeling that you will be a good one as well! Perhaps you can consider adoption, you will still be able to raise Catholic children, and by adopting you will be aiding a system that offers a choice other than abortion to mothers unable to care for their children. I wish you the best of luck
A-
 
Edited my finger slip.

The one thing that would not be kind, to make a new poster think that a Priest or Catholic Doctor is going to be able to change the teaching of the Church on contraception.
 
First, know that I am praying for you.

I looked through some of my books, and couldn’t find anything that specific spells out the issue, but I do have a little experience in this area, as when my mother gave birth to my youngest sibling, the doctor told her she would not survive another pregnancy. Through much prayer, and counselling, my parents ended up getting a dispensation from the bishop and my mother had a hysterectomy.

Basically, it comes down to intent. If I decided it would look good to cut off my arm, for the sake of cutting off my arm, that would be a sin. It would be profaning the body God has entrusted me with. But if I was shot in the arm and got gangrene, it could be cutoff to save my life. It is all about intent.

The same holds true in your case. You do not want to close yourself to life. You want to save your own life. If you were to live in continence for the rest of your life, though you and your husband are both capable of sharing intimacy, is that not closing yourself to life as well? Only then, you would also be closing the door on the greatest expression of marital love. I am not suggesting that abstaining from sex would be sinful. I am suggesting that in both cases, abstinance and contraception, the intent would be the same. You don’t want to die.

Perhaps this is God’s way of telling you he wants you to adopt. There are plenty of children who need loving parents.

But you should take all I am saying with a grain of salt, and really talk to your priest about it. This is not a decision to be taken lightly. Pray, meditate, get counselling.

God bless you, and your husband, and your six children.
 
You ALL have been very helpful.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
It is true that our beautiful Mother Church knows what’s best. I on the other hand am of small mind with at least enough sense to ask when in doubt, huh?

Paul, I appreciated your words of sage advice for a first time poster. Bless you as your heart was in the right place.

Geez Folks! That’s tough…I have to remain celebate until the rest of my parts give up, huh? Can a married woman become a nun? {JOKING - I know better than that!}

From the rest of the posts:
kage_ar = I will seek more medical direction on my health/death report
Adelheid = thanks for the link - much needed!
Tony Souza = thank you, thank you!!

You all have been so wonderful and insightful and helpful!:grouphug:
THANK YOU :blessyou:
 
No. We call it abstinence. Have you two thought about adoption?

Peace,

Gail
 
Apparently only the “rythym method” is to be used. Unfortunatly this method is iffy at best. I agree with the former poster who said to talk to your priest.
It is not helpful to give out inaccurate information. Humanae Vitae refers to the “rhythm of the cycle” meaning fertile and infertile periods of the woman’s cycle. That does not equate to the “rhythm method” which was used in the early 20th century-- a calendar method based on averages.

The old “rhythm method” is not the same thing as modern methods of Natural Family Planning.

NFP is highly reliable and based on scientific observation of the natural cycle of female fertility.
 
Geez Folks! That’s tough…I have to remain celebate until the rest of my parts give up, huh?
If you and your husband have not learned one or more of the methods of Natural Family Planning, I suggest you research them.

Sympto-Thermal www.ccli.org
Creighton www.creightonmodel.com or www.fertilitycare.org
Billings www.boma-usa.org
Marquette www.marquette.edu/nursing/NFP/Model.shtml

Complete abstinence is certainly the only way to be 100% sure, but NFP is highly reliable and you should look at using the post-ovulatory phase of your cycle for intimacy.

One of the posters on here, Rayne89, has a heart condition that precludes ever becoming pregnant. She’s used NFP for over a decade to avoid pregancy.
 
Those links to NFP sites are great. Since this is a health-complications issue, I recommend the Paul VI Institute popepaulvi.com/about.htm which I believe will get you access to doctors completely on board with Catholic teaching.
 
Precious Lamb,

You asked for Church teaching. What the Church teaches is that contraception and sterilization are never moral options.

Abstaining or using Natural Family Planning are moral options.

Regarding hysterectomy mentioned in another post-- of course you could have a hysterectomy if your uterus is damaged/bleeding and it’s medically necessary. Many women have them because their uterus is diseased, collapsing, bleeding, etc.

However, a hysterectomy for the sole purposeof preventing pregnancy is sterilization and is never moral option. Regardless of what you may hear on this board, there’s NO SUCH THING as a “dispensation” from the bishop to get a sterilization procedure or to use contraception.

If a medical procedure is to treat a diseased condition, then no dispensation is needed. If it’s for pregnancy prevention, no dispensation is possible.
 
Through much prayer, and counselling, my parents ended up getting a dispensation from the bishop and my mother had a hysterectomy.

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As a Bishop cannot give dispensation for someone to commit a grave sin, it is likely someone mislead your mother. What a sad story.
 
Saint Gianna Molla

saintgianna.org/

was a witness to being open to God’s will, even if it meant death.

God probably won’t call you to die in childbirth. He is calling all of us to seek His will and trust Him completely with our lives.

***“Perfect love casts out fear.” *** ’
 
Please accept my condolences for the loss of your little ones.

According to the Humanae Vitae:
vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html

Apparently only the “rythym method” is to be used. Unfortunatly this method is iffy at best. I agree with the former poster who said to talk to your priest.

However it seems that you are ready to be a mother, and I get the feeling that you will be a good one as well! Perhaps you can consider adoption, you will still be able to raise Catholic children, and by adopting you will be aiding a system that offers a choice other than abortion to mothers unable to care for their children. I wish you the best of luck
A-
‘Iffy at best’ really? I did contracept at my husbands insistance and I concieved 3 times. When I refused and used NFP I had no unplanned pregnancies. From my experience…that is wrong. I think you need to know how to use NFP…it isn’t an estimation game…maybe that is why you say ‘iffy’?
 
Yes, St. Gianna is a great example, but “heroic virtue” means “goign above and beyond the call of duty.” The Church teaches that it is OK to have a medical procedure intended to save the life of a pregnant woman, which may put the baby at risk, and even potentially kill the baby, so long as there is no direct actio nto kill the baby.
Similarly, as noted above, a hysterectomy that is medically necessary is fine, so long as it’s not intended to prevent further pregnancy.

Also, as many commentators in the post-Vatican II American Church get in trouble for saying, “openness to life” is a two-way street. It involves the CHurch doing its job of supporting families, and the laity doing their job of supporting and helping each other.

Many of us get criticized for criticizing a “contraceptive mentality” wherein NFP is treated just the same as “Catholic contraception,” and people Phariseeically judge any couple who struggle with–our outright reject (in favor of openness to life)–NFP rather than doing their duty as Catholics of helping those in need.

I would suggest seriously reflecting on Casti Connubii and Humanae Vitae.

Also, I highly recommend the Marquette Method. My wife and I have struggled with NFP for years, and, this time around, we went withi Marquette. It has proven highly effective. Since May, we’ve gotten it down so well we can p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact moment of ovulation, wait 36 hours and we’re home free till the next cycle begins.
 
Also, avoid soy!
Soy is very high in estrogen. Some studies indicate that drinking soy milk every day is eqiuvalent to taking the birth control pill. The amount of soy in our diets (particularly people who practice NFP, who tend to be “health-conscious”) is probably a major factor in “NFP failure.” It screws up predictability of ovulation.
 
In my personal opinion (I am not an orthodox Catholic), you should follow the advice of your medical professional. But to answer your question, the only thing I am aware of – which does not mean there might not be something I am not aware of – that could provide an “exception” is based on epikeia. Here is what Thomas Aquinas says about epikeia; it is not a full treatment.

newadvent.org/summa/3120.htm
Thomas Aquinas:
Article 1. Whether “epikeia” [epieikeia] is a virtue?

(…)

On the contrary, The Philosopher … states it to be a virtue.

I answer that, As stated above … when we were treating of laws, since human actions, with which laws are concerned, are composed of contingent singulars and are innumerable in their diversity, it was not possible to lay down rules of law that would apply to every single case. Legislators in framing laws attend to what commonly happens: although if the law be applied to certain cases it will frustrate the equality of justice and be injurious to the common good, which the law has in view. Thus the law requires deposits to be restored, because in the majority of cases this is just. Yet it happens sometimes to be injurious–for instance, if a madman were to put his sword in deposit, and demand its delivery while in a state of madness, or if a man were to seek the return of his deposit in order to fight against his country. On these and like cases it is bad to follow the law, and it is good to set aside the letter of the law and to follow the dictates of justice and the common good. This is the object of “epikeia” which we call equity. Therefore it is evident that “epikeia” is a virtue.

Reply to Objection 1. “Epikeia” does not set aside that which is just in itself but that which is just as by law established. Nor is it opposed to severity, which follows the letter of the law when it ought to be followed. To follow the letter of the law when it ought not to be followed is sinful. Hence it is written …"Without doubt he transgresses the law who by adhering to the letter of the law strives to defeat the intention of the lawgiver."

Reply to Objection 2. It would be passing judgment on a law to say that it was not well made; but to say that the letter of the law is not to be observed in some particular case is passing judgment not on the law, but on some particular contingency.

Reply to Objection 3. Interpretation is admissible in doubtful cases where it is not allowed to set aside the letter of the law without the interpretation of the sovereign. But when the case is manifest there is need, not of interpretation, but of execution.

Article 2. Whether “epikeia” is a part of justice?

(…)

On the contrary, The Philosopher says … that "epikeia is a kind of justice."

I answer that, As stated above … a virtue has three kinds of parts, subjective, integral, and potential. A subjective part is one of which the whole is predicated essentially, and it is less than the whole. This may happen in two ways. For sometimes one thing is predicated of many in one common ratio, as animal of horse and ox: and sometimes one thing is predicated of many according to priority and posteriority, as “being” of substance and accident.

Accordingly, “epikeia” is a part of justice taken in a general sense, for it is a kind of justice, as the Philosopher states … Wherefore it is evident that “epikeia” is a subjective part of justice; and justice is predicated of it with priority to being predicated of legal justice, since legal justice is subject to the direction of “epikeia.” Hence “epikeia” is by way of being a higher rule of human actions.

Reply to Objection 1. Epikeia corresponds properly to legal justice, and in one way is contained under it, and in another way exceeds it. For if legal justice denotes that which complies with the law, whether as regards the letter of the law, or as regards the intention of the lawgiver, which is of more account, then “epikeia” is the more important part of legal justice. But if legal justice denote merely that which complies with the law with regard to the letter, then “epikeia” is a part not of legal justice but of justice in its general acceptation, and is condivided with legal justice, as exceeding it.

Reply to Objection 2. As the Philosopher states (Ethic. v, 10), “epikeia is better than a certain,” namely, legal, “justice,” which observes the letter of the law: yet since it is itself a kind of justice, it is not better than all justice.

Reply to Objection 3. It belongs to “epikeia” to moderate something, namely, the observance of the letter of the law. But modesty, which is reckoned a part of temperance, moderates man’s outward life–for instance, in his deportment, dress or the like. Possibly also the term epieikeia is applied in Greek by a similitude to all kinds of moderation.
From my heart, God doesn’t want you to die. Please listen to your doctor. Make sure you do something that is as close to 100% safe as possible in accordance with the direction of your licensed medical professional. God bless you.
 
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