Is contraception the answer to reducing abortions?

[Jimmy_B]

**A general observation on Abortion; the deliberate killing of an innocent baby **
(Part I)

Here is my opinion:

I am curious, is there any Christian religion, or any “religion” for that matter that supports abortion on demand and does not consider abortion the “murder” or the deliberate killing of a pregnant woman’s baby?

I am not aware of any “religion’ that supports abortion. Therefore, if this is the case, all people who support abortion, position themselves in opposition to all religions, God and all of the virtuous persons who came before us.

Additionally, I have never met or heard anyone argue “vehemently” for the “women’s right to choose” (killing her baby) who was not an “activist”. What could possibly motivate someone to be a “pro-abortion activist”?

For the record, abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent baby, who would otherwise enter this world and live a normal life span.

“Partial Birth Abortion” is even worse. Most “pro-abortion activists” also support this barbaric act, which is essentially allowing the mother to “give birth” to a human being who would otherwise survive outside the mother, and holding the baby back as to prevent the baby’s body from completely exiting the birth canal, and then killing the baby.

Do an internet search for “partial birth abortion” and you will learn what type of person you are dealing with, when you encounter a “pro-abortion activist”. This abhorrent and despicable act is called ‘partial birth” for a reason; this abortion is committed when the baby is “partially” born.

This crime against the baby and humanity is horrible and makes absolutely no sense. If the baby is still partially inside the mother, it is not “murder”, however if the abortionist were to wait a couple seconds and allow the baby to “fully” enter this world, it would be murder.

I wonder how many babies are killed, after they are “born”, by abortionist performing, “partial birth abortions? I think that there should be a criminal investigation to determine if, and how many times, this has occurred (babies murdered after birth).

Moreover, why is it murder, for example, to shoot a pregnant woman, killing her baby (the baby being the murder victim), when it is not “murder” when an abortionist kills the same pregnant woman’s baby? Is it because the baby has “rights” only as long as the mother does not want to kill the baby?

 

[Jimmy_B]

**A general observation on Abortion; the deliberate killing of an innocent baby **
(Part II)

Here is my opinion:

Abortion is a horrible sin and supporting abortion is a horrible sin. Are pro-abortion activists, at least happy that they were not aborted? After all, according to their argument (pro-abortionist’s) it is the “woman’s right”, not the helpless baby and we all started out as helpless babies.

Finally, abortion exploit’s women, minorities and the poor, if this were not true, why are abortion clinics, “baby killing factories” located in poor ethnic neighborhoods? Moreover, why is it that the poor and minorities groups are the ones who are the “targeted customers” of abortionists?

Planned Parenthood also exploits and victimizes young women, who are often times confused and suffering from emotional distress and are “talked into” abortions by employees of Planned Parenthood. Don’t you know, there is money to be made by performing an abortion, advising a young girl to keep her baby would cut into their profit margin.

Is the life of a human being “worth” less if the mother is young, poor or a minority? Of course not!

Planned Parenthood and killing babies, is a multi-million dollar business, not a “cause” and pro-abortion activists who fall prey to the false propaganda of Planned Parenthood are also, to a certain extant, victims.

The reason that the abortion community also supports “embryonic stem cell research” is because, they (abortionists) harvest body parts and embryonic stem cells from babies, killed by them, during elective abortions**; **which now creates a by-product for them to sell to make even more money. It is all about the money.

The killing of millions of innocent babies is horrible and it additionally amounts to the exploitation of the young, the poor and minorities. Embryonic stem cell research is also a grave sin and this is especially true if the embryonic stem cells came from an aborted baby, which is usually the case. RU486, the “day after pill” is also abortion.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The Question is: Is contraception the answer to reducing abortions****?****

The answer is: No.

The acceptance of “contraception” by a society is the by-product of the attitude towards sex that; ”anything goes, as long as it makes me feel good.”

“Contraception” is followed by promiscuous and sometimes deviant sexual behavior accepted by a society, not the other way around.

The atmosphere of “Contraception” has encouraged more criminal activity and in some cases, made it more difficult for Law Enforcement to prosecute sexual predators.

Contraception has lead to the breakdown of the family and to an attitude of disrespect, by men towards the dignity of women, where woman are viewed as mere sexual objects.

Contraception has lead to more cases of adultery and divorce, a higher rate of sex, outside of marriage and to a higher rate of un-wed mothers.

Divorce leads to single mothers raising children, which leads to poverty and creates more unwed mothers and more children born into poverty, both of these factors equals more abortions.

Note: The rise in adultery has also led to a rise in murders, caused by “love triangles” and murder suicides.

Because of the breakdown of the family, young un-wed women who have an unplanned pregnancy, do to their own promiscuous sexual behavior, are “afraid” to seek help or advice from their own family, which also leads to more abortions.

There are many now, who view abortion as a form of contraception.

Unplanned pregnancies by un-wed mothers, abortions and the transmission of sexually transmitted deceases are not caused by a lack of “contraception”; they are caused by promiscuous sexual behavior. Married couples committed to each other and to God do not generally, or statically have these problems.

If someone is a “good” person, then they accept and obey God’s laws. People who love and obey God do not have to worry about contraception.

It is the desire in man to sin, which causes him to embrace the ideal of contraception. Contraception makes it easier for a man to sin.

Therefore, the answer is no, contraception is not the answer to reducing abortions; “contraception” has caused more abortions.

Abortion is a “man” issue too, because millions of children who were destine to become men, fathers, sons and brothers were/are aborted.

Pro-abortion individuals are generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women).

Pro-contraception individuals are also generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women) and disrespectful towards the dignity of women (by men).

They are both generally, anti-God.

 

[mom_of_ten]

The real, and very sad experiences of those that swan mentions, still do not make it right to go against God’s disapproval of contraception.

And I feel sorry when people equate giving a child the proper tools, and limits, and love, communication, and education to live a chaste and pure life…with “hiding from the world”…making a proactive choice NOT to be involved in the immorality and sinfulness of the world, is not hiding from it.

If I wish to teach my children about the dangers of fire, I do not dip their hands in it and watch them be tortured…I keep them at a SAFE distance; and tell them all about it (that is not hiding)…I tell them when fire will be useful to them, how it can be good, or used in a bad way. I tell them how using it before they are ready, can HARM them.
And then, I pray that God will guide them to follow what they have been taught.
I also do not follow them through life, spraying them with a fire extinguisher every time I know there will be fire, because I think that it is inevitable they will not follow what they’re taught and will be burned.

If the authors who are condoning contraception really believe that going against God and His Church is a helpful and protective tool for their children, then do they really trust in the Sacramental Grace to live a chaste and pure life?

I know that many WILL sin, many WILL have unwed pregnancies; and many will, sadly, have abortions. But…many will NOT. And we can not solve anything by teaching our children to sin, so that they will not suffer repercussions from another sin.

Peace

 

[Good_Daughter]

Swan and lukewarm:

I’ve noticed that those who favour educating young people about contraception tend to preface this with the statement that chastity and abstinence are best. What are the reasons you would give for chastity and abstinence being preferable?

 

[jmcrae]

Okay, I’ve been lurking on the sidelines long enough; I’ve got to step in and agree with Lukewarm even if it means incuring the wrath of those who disagree. Let me share some personal history with you: I am a 49 year old woman who was raised Southern Baptist, no sex, no drinking, etc… My family is very conservative and I was raised to be the same way - as were most of my friends. Well, guess what? We rebelled. We had boyfriends and we had sex. Birth control pills were harder to get back then so we look some big risks. Luckily, we didn’t get any STDs (and this was pre-AIDS) and didn’t get pregnant though we knew girls who did. Most of them had abortions because they were terrified of their parents - see, they had been raised so strick and warned about hell, etc., so the very idea of talking to their folks was out of the question (in these cases those strict rules kind of backfired). None of us felt we could talk to our parents about our sexual feelings and the urges we had as a result of going through puberty - so we talked to each other - the blind leading the blind. We felt our parents were out of touch and had no idea of the reality we were living and they didn’t try to understand. This is a classic story of teen angst and alienation from parents and it’s a lot more common now than it was 30-odd years ago. Kids reach a certain age, back then it was 16 or so, when although not adults, they aren’t children anymore either. And you can’t hide your kids from the world forever. How will they be prepared to live in today’s society if they are naive? Why can’t you just give them all the facts? Show you think they are capable of making the right decision instead of making it for them? You could say something like, “those who believe in using birth control use: give examples. But, of course, we know that’s wrong.”

Yes, I agree that I made a lot of mistakes, but my point is that all the threats in the world didn’t stop me and I wasn’t alone. My sponser when I became Catholic was tradtional and brought her kids up just as you are suggesting. One day her 16 year old daughter came home in her Catholic school uniform and announced she was pregnant. Do you really think your kids deserve to possibly die as a result of making a mistake (should they get AIDS)? Don’t you want them to feel they can come to you with questions and concerns and that you will listen to them and respect their feelings instead of damning them? Some kids will abstain and some won’t and you can’t tell from upbringing which they will be (part of the point of my story). I dont’t have kids but if I did I’d tell them my story, let them know I made mistakes and hope they could learn from them. But I’d be realistic enough to know that they might not. And I’d be there for them when they realized their error, and I’d forgive them (as would God) and I’d love them and I’d be glad they knew enough to protect themselves so I didn’t have to watch them die.

As I said at the start, I know a lot of people will disagree, but I thought you might benefit from hearing a real story instead of just theorizing on the hypothetical. Growing up is hard because there are so many things to learn and experience, being a parent is hard because you know how painful learning and experience can be. Try to work together and love each other. Trust and be willing to forgive. You’re the only parents your kids get.

Nobody here is talking about threatening kids with Hell-fire, and then never bringing up the subject again.

We are talking about training kids to live the chaste lifestyle. There is a whole lot more to being chaste than just not having sex, and you are right - if the only thing you give kids is “Don’t have sex” then they will not hear you, any more than they hear you when you say, “Go clean your room.”

That’s why it has to be a training in lifestyle that starts, ideally, right from birth, so that the habits of chastity are already instilled, long before the child ever even begins to think of sex.

 

[mikew262]

The Question is: Is contraception the answer to reducing abortions****?****

The answer is: No.

The acceptance of “contraception” by a society is the by-product of the attitude towards sex that; ”anything goes, as long as it makes me feel good.”

“Contraception” is followed by promiscuous and sometimes deviant sexual behavior accepted by a society, not the other way around.

The atmosphere of “Contraception” has encouraged more criminal activity and in some cases, made it more difficult for Law Enforcement to prosecute sexual predators.

Contraception has lead to the breakdown of the family and to an attitude of disrespect, by men towards the dignity of women, where woman are viewed as mere sexual objects.

Contraception has lead to more cases of adultery and divorce, a higher rate of sex, outside of marriage and to a higher rate of un-wed mothers.

Divorce leads to single mothers raising children, which leads to poverty and creates more unwed mothers and more children born into poverty, both of these factors equals more abortions.

Note: The rise in adultery has also led to a rise in murders, caused by “love triangles” and murder suicides.

Because of the breakdown of the family, young un-wed women who have an unplanned pregnancy, do to their own promiscuous sexual behavior, are “afraid” to seek help or advice from their own family, which also leads to more abortions.

There are many now, who view abortion as a form of contraception.

Unplanned pregnancies by un-wed mothers, abortions and the transmission of sexually transmitted deceases are not caused by a lack of “contraception”; they are caused by promiscuous sexual behavior. Married couples committed to each other and to God do not generally, or statically have these problems.

If someone is a “good” person, then they accept and obey God’s laws. People who love and obey God do not have to worry about contraception.

It is the desire in man to sin, which causes him to embrace the ideal of contraception. Contraception makes it easier for a man to sin.

Therefore, the answer is no, contraception is not the answer to reducing abortions; “contraception” has caused more abortions.

Abortion is a “man” issue too, because millions of children who were destine to become men, fathers, sons and brothers were/are aborted.

Pro-abortion individuals are generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women).

Pro-contraception individuals are also generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women) and disrespectful towards the dignity of women (by men).

They are both generally, anti-God.

You make a lot of claims here; some I think are baloney. Do you have any stats to back these up, or are these just simply your opinions?

 

[davia]

I think with as many kids today that are having sex and using “protection” and still getting pregnant I don’t think it would reduce abortions to increase contraception use. Actually, I believe many studies show the exact opposite - it increases it.

I think if abortion was made illegal again that would probably be the greatest reducer of unplanned pregnancies (or at least all abortions that TRULY are not life threatening - but that’s another can of worms). I was really hoping that South Dakota (I think it was South Dakota anyway) would make all abortions illegal. Then that theory would have been tested.

I think only when teens and young unmarried adults know they can not have an abortion, they may think twice about jumping into bed with someone since they will have to face all the consequences, such as:

1. telling their parents and being humiliated
2. if they are still in school that has to be pretty humiliating too
3. they have to tell a boy/man that he’s going to be a father when he doesn’t want to be and may have only used her in the first place for sex
4. boys/men are going to be forced into responsibility even if they don’t want too
5. having to give up a child they may want, but are too young to take care of
6. being financially and morally responsible for a child

Also, as far as the morning after pill, even though I don’t condone it for any other use other than possibly rape (and I don’t even know about that), if it’s going to be available, I don’t think anyone younger than 18 should be able to get their hands on it, and even then there should be a law to determine a set number of times you can receive it per year, so that those young and reckless teens and adults can’t go running for it every time they make such a stupid decesion.

To stop abortions, there has to be real consequences for those who chose to have sex and get pregnant.

 

[davia]

You make a lot of claims here; some I think are baloney. Do you have any stats to back these up, or are these just simply your opinions?

I don’t have stats, but he is correct. I too have researched this and studied this in my catholicism classes:

Most people who use contraception (those outside a marriage) are doing it for their pleasure and they are doing it because they don’t have a fear of pregnancy

Because an individual is using ABC, they sometimes have the attitude of “what the hell” when it comes to sex. Say they meet someone in a bar. If they didn’t have protection they probably won’t have sex with them. If a girl is on the pill she may think what the hey, I am on the pill and can’t get pregnant.

Sexual predators will sometimes use contraception such a condoms to hide their crimes - no sperm then to use in criminal procedings.

Unmarried persons who are having sex are shunning family values for their own pleasure. Men will sometimes look at women in this situation as objects as the poster said. They don’t want to marry the women and have families. They want to have sex for fun without consequences.

When there is an absence of fear of pregnancies, husbands and wives sometimes may have an attitude of they can’t get caught cheatimg and don’t fear consequences such as pregnancy. This cheating of course leads to divorce in many cases. If a cheating couple is using ABC and start having sex, of course they are going to have it more frequently when they use ABC and think they can’t get pregnant. These wives that catch husbands cheating and divorce them are now unwed mothers. And if a man is cheating and gets the other woman pregnant, she is an unwed mother.

Divorce leads to single mothers raising children, which leads to poverty and creates more unwed mothers and more children born into poverty, both of these factors equals more abortions.

Women earn less than men, and there is a rise of men not paying support. A lot of women in these situations are now in poverty and if they get pregnant (which they are at a higher risk for), and they can’t afford another child since they are poor already, they often will turn to abortion then.

There was a poster above to even shared her own experiences with her friends above. Many young teens and adults in school for example, feel like they can’t tell their parents they are pregnant, and will go to any lengths to have an abortion so their family will not find out.

So many people today view abortion as contraception. They do not think of the consequences of their actions, and just decide to do the “easy” thing and get rid of this blob of tissue. Most of these women (and some men) will later say to you though that it’s the biggest mistake they will ever make. Even Roe in Roe Vs Wade is now a pro-life advocate and sorry she ever started this movement.

Because persons are on/use ABC, they are sometimes more promiscous - such as a couple who doesn’t fear pregnancy and just wants to have a good time, and as in my example above of a woman in a bar being more likely to have sex with a stranger because of lack of fear of pregnancy and consequences. It is the act of having more sex b/c of using ABC and having sex with more partners is what causes an increase in STDs, pregnancies and abortions.

"If someone is a “good” person, then they accept and obey God’s laws. People who love and obey God do not have to worry about contraception. "

This is the only thing I take an issue with. I think there are a lot of good people who make mistakes and it doesn’t make them a bad person - they did a bad thing. That’s what Christ’s forgiveness is for. It’s true though that those who love and obey may have less issue, but it doesn’t mean they are ready or not scared if they become pregnant. They are just less likely to chose something like abortion to fix their “problem”. They are more ready to accept the consequences.

'It is the desire in man to sin, which causes him to embrace the ideal of contraception. Contraception makes it easier for a man to sin. "

I think this is self-explanatory based on all the answers above.

"Therefore, the answer is no, contraception is not the answer to reducing abortions; “contraception” has caused more abortions. "

true

“Abortion is a “man” issue too, because millions of children who were destine to become men, fathers, sons and brothers were/are aborted”.

true - I just wish more men would agree this is an issue (and women too)

"Pro-abortion individuals are generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women). "

I don’t know if I would fo that far. If someone is pro-choice it doesn’t actually mean they “hope” someone will have an abortion, or hate God, or hate children or men. But I can still see what you are saying.

“Pro-contraception individuals are also generally anti-“religion”, anti-family, anti-child and “anti-men” (by women) and disrespectful towards the dignity of women (by men).”

Seeabove answer. Again if someone choses (although we don’t agree with it) to use ABC it doesnt’ necessarily mean they hate religion, family, children or men. I wouldn’t go quite that far in saying that, but again I see where that’s coming from. Also, I think the disprespect comes from women too, not just from the men.

“They are both generally, anti-God.”

75% of catholics use some form of ABC ( just read that stat today somewhere, sorry don’t know the link), and I don’t think they are anti-God. Even if it’s not that high, it’s at LEAST 50%. That may be a little drastic to say they are anti-God.

JMHO

 

[The_real_Truth]

Well Duh

Of course it does.

SUCCESSFUL SEX ED COUNTRIES STATS AND INFO

advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fsest.htm

mistymedia.co.uk/blog/2005/09/29/dutch_sex_education/

channel4.com/learning/microsites/L/lifestuff/content/up_close/letstalksex/index.html

channel4.com/learning/microsites/L/lifestuff/content/up_close/letstalksex/dutch.html

channel4.com/learning/microsites/L/lifestuff/content/up_close/letstalksex/findoutmore.html

DUTCH SEX EDUCATION
www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/tcr/files/tcr/news/
europetour.xml#1119288090469::6998015254475574609
Blog of American sex educator on fact-finding tour round Europe, including trip to Netherlands

rutgersnissogroep.nl/English

If you investigate further the abortion issue has nothing to do with well being of anyone…

More go forth and multiply regardless of the damage doe to females seen as nothing more then walking incubators, and nothing for kids born regardless of dormformity, regardless of if you have 9 year old rape victems.

Regardless of if its in a third world country where the familes have no home of looking after the kid so they get sold to child sex and other slavory trafficers or sent to be child prostitutes in the streets or to church run childrens homes like

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-details/Pope+‘led+cover-up+of+child+abuse+by+priests’/article.do

observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1020400,00.html

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3180406.stm

bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2003/10_october/09/panorama_holy_city.shtml news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/sexandtheholycity.txt

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3147672.stm

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3180174.stm