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Newbie2
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That would be suggestive of a bad Adam Sandler movie.
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Veronica75
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I’m a White woman and would hesitate to be alone around black males. Every day in America alone, (not to mention South Africa), White women get raped by black men. People shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for having common sense and avoiding compromising and potentially dangerous situations.
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redhen
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Absolutely. U.S. Dept. of Justice reports that break down sexual assaults/rapes by race are almost never reported in the media. Here’s one for 2005: ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf
Table 42 shows that for 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
So, despite the best efforts of the media, and disbarred attorney Mike Nifong against the Duke Lacrosse team, interracial rape/sexual assault is almost if not elusively black men against white women.
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Newbie2
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That, m’dear, is a racist statement. Every day “white women” get raped by white men too.
Best not to be alone among any males, black, white or whatever, in a situation where you feel uncomfortable or threatened.
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redhen
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No it’s not. It’s a statement of fact. Did you read the DOJ report I linked to above?
It’s quite plain according to the stats; white men do not rape black women. Black men rape white women disproportionately to their population level.
Having situational awareness in certain environments is just due diligence.
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Havard
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I used to work in an office with a lot of people of different cultural backgrounds and there was one thing that really bothered me - many of them heated up foods for lunch that had very strong odors. Now, those odors might have been appealing to them, but in Western culture, any food odor should be kept to a minimum outside of one’s own household. I’d also add to this that I’m not fond the odor of anyone who chooses not to bathe (hippies).
On another note, another cultural thing that bothers me is when members of goth, metal or other dark subculture display violence or gore on their clothing or with tattoos while in public. I believe in self-expression, but not at the cost of giving small children nightmares.
On another note, another cultural thing that bothers me is when members of goth, metal or other dark subculture display violence or gore on their clothing or with tattoos while in public. I believe in self-expression, but not at the cost of giving small children nightmares.
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Feanor2
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Agreed_ these comments are blatantly racist.
There is another forum called “stormfront” that might interest you. . .
Also note that this idea of black men raping white women is the most central myth of US oppression. It was used to legitimize the slave industry and was central to the psyche of the Klu Klux Klan.
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redhen
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Myth? I refer you again to the U.S. Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics report for 2005, Table 42. ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf Other years show similar disturbing data anomalies.
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Veronica75
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Thanks for the stats, redhen. Too bad some people don’t want to take off the rose-colored glasses.
As for your comment, Feanor2, I’m not a neo-Nazi nor a member of the KKK, but merely a race realist. Sorry if you’re uncomfortable with views which don’t make you feel all warm and fuzzy. In the meantime, since my last post I wonder how many naive White women have been raped by black men because they didn’t want to feel or be accused of being racist? If all they were exposed to was the mainstream media, they’d be unaware of the disproportionate number of black rapists.
As for your comment, Feanor2, I’m not a neo-Nazi nor a member of the KKK, but merely a race realist. Sorry if you’re uncomfortable with views which don’t make you feel all warm and fuzzy. In the meantime, since my last post I wonder how many naive White women have been raped by black men because they didn’t want to feel or be accused of being racist? If all they were exposed to was the mainstream media, they’d be unaware of the disproportionate number of black rapists.
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Feanor2
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This is the most offensive post I have ever read on CAF. I am sorry it had to appear on a forum related to the Holy Church.Thanks for the stats, redhen. Too bad some people don’t want to take off the rose-colored glasses.
As for your comment, Feanor2, I’m not a neo-Nazi nor a member of the KKK, but merely a race realist. Sorry if you’re uncomfortable with views which don’t make you feel all warm and fuzzy. In the meantime, since my last post I wonder how many naive White women have been raped by black men because they didn’t want to feel or be accused of being racist? If all they were exposed to was the mainstream media, they’d be unaware of the disproportionate number of black rapists.
Please- let’s unequivocally condemn this attitude. . . or ignore it. We are better than this.
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GodIsGracious
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I actually have a problem with the conclusions you have drawn from these stats.
Firstly … there is nothing in the document that states whether these were of offenders convicted of their crime or were simply accused.
Also, I looked for the number “37,460.” It doesn’t appear anywhere in the document. Where did you get this number from? I admit I may be totally missing something. I even tried to take 44% of 111,490, which is the number of white victims.
Please indicate to me in table 42 where all of these rape victims are women. I admit that women would take a far greater percentage of the “white victims” in that number, but I’m wondering how you figured 37,460 women.
Next, if you’ll note at the top of table 42. The title of that table is [emphasis mine]:
The word “perceived” is quite interesting. I say that because I wonder how many offenders were perceived to be of one particular culture or group when really they were another. I won’t touch on how some people do accuse someone of another ethnicity just to do so.
The note for “Rape/Sexual Assault” says that it includes threats of sexual assault and rape which can be very frightening in and of itself.
When I look at the column for percentages of “white” compared to “black,” there’s a higher percentage under “white.” Could you explain this?
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redhen
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Total victimized women (white) = 111,490
Percent of single-offender victimizations (black) = 33.6
111490 x .336 = 37,460
Table 43a of the same document reports total rapes against males = 0 (which means from 0 to 10).
Correct. Perceived race of offender (white) = 44.5 %
Perceived race of offender (black) = 33.6 %
However the 2005 census shows blacks made up only 13.4 percent of the total U.S. population. census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/007862.html
You can find a glossary and methodology here ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/cvus05mt.pdf
When I wear my sociology hat, this research and the findings are of interest, but personally, I find the whole topic disgusting. I’m almost sorry I posted this data.
I find the most disturbing data is the total number of rapes/sexual assaults = 111,490.
When I divide that by 365, I get 305 per day.
There is something seriously wrong in the U.S.A.
As an agnostic, I may be taking liberty, but may I just say “God help us”.
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Veronica75
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Let me guess, you and the majority of the posters here are middle class liberal Whites who live in mostly White enclaves. When I can afford it, I’ll also be taking part in White flight.
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GodIsGracious
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I am an American woman with Spanish/Mexican heritage. I have also been raped by a Mexican/American man. (I assure you that wasn’t perceived.) And politically liberal too.
I STILL find this this thread offensive.
Please don’t make assumptions. I’m still not entirely convinced of the conclusions drawn by the data redhen posted. I’ll be sending it to someone I know and see what they say.
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Veronica75
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So what? Do you have the right not to be offended?
You’ve missed the point, but now that you mention it, Hispanics make up a large number of sexual predators, especially among the illegal alien population. Oh, but I forgot, we’re supposed to “welcome all strangers, for we are all pilgrims on this earth”. (Welcome the Hispanic border-hopping stranger in the hope they’ll fill the empty pews and coffers, perhaps?)
Modern day Christians seem to be the offspring of Bolsheviks.
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GodIsGracious
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I said I found this thread offensive, not that I was offended, please, do pay attention.
Sweetie, YOU have missed the point.
The fact of the matter is that in any race, class, socio-economic status, there are predators and criminals. Whether they get reported is a different story. And what their perceived race is also another story.
If you want to start pulling crime statistics, please do note that the most vile and horrible killers, especially serial killers, are white. That’s not to say that there aren’t serial killers of other ethnicities. Further, don’t be afraid of going missing if you’re a white woman. You only hear about missing white women because our American media finds them far more precious. Men are more likely to go missing, and since the FBI stats do not separate out hispanic men from white men it’s tough to tell which are hispanic or which are white men. However, the next highest group is black men. But you don’t hear about that.
This MSNBC news article shows the FBI stats. I tried to find it on the FBI site itself (I’ve seen it on there I just don’t have the time right to search thoroughly)
msnbc.msn.com/id/8233195/
Perhaps this might be more reassuring to you:
msnbc.msn.com/id/5325808/
I can’t even believe this. I bet you’re pro-life too, huh? Want to know who the original “anchor babies” are? Those offspring from the Mayflower.
I do believe that I’ll need to step out of this thread.
To the OP, the only point I want to make is do not associate the sins of the few to the whole. Remember, in Mass we ask God to look not on our sins, but on our faith. We also pray for forgiveness while we forgive others (look at the “Our Father.”) I know situations can be scary so it is necessary to be prudent without passing judgement.
Peace.
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manualman
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We seem to be rather off track here. Maybe I was too optimistic that this could be discussed without rancor.
Surely we all agree that nobody’s RACE inclines them to certain crimes more than others? (please say yes!)
EVERY culture has problems. This ought to be self evident since we’re all humans and humans are all fallen. We each tend to have blinders for our own shortcomings too. As the descendent of European settlers, I must confront the fact that America never did peaceably integrate with the original indigenous population. How different from South America where the indigenous people are still the majority! Between disease and alcohol and outright warfare, our forefathers pretty much “ethnically cleansed” North America thoroughly enough to make a Bosnian Serb embarassed.
So instead of focusing on what proportion black rapists are of the black population compared to white rapists are in comparison to the white population, perhaps we should wonder if the CULTURE of those black men who commit rape has a lot in common with the culture of white men who do so. Perhaps then we’d see that it isn’t skin color that makes the prediction, but more significant factors.
What are those factors? How can we identify them? How can we convince people to be wary of others based on those factors instead of ineffective ones (like skin color)?
Surely we all agree that nobody’s RACE inclines them to certain crimes more than others? (please say yes!)
EVERY culture has problems. This ought to be self evident since we’re all humans and humans are all fallen. We each tend to have blinders for our own shortcomings too. As the descendent of European settlers, I must confront the fact that America never did peaceably integrate with the original indigenous population. How different from South America where the indigenous people are still the majority! Between disease and alcohol and outright warfare, our forefathers pretty much “ethnically cleansed” North America thoroughly enough to make a Bosnian Serb embarassed.
So instead of focusing on what proportion black rapists are of the black population compared to white rapists are in comparison to the white population, perhaps we should wonder if the CULTURE of those black men who commit rape has a lot in common with the culture of white men who do so. Perhaps then we’d see that it isn’t skin color that makes the prediction, but more significant factors.
What are those factors? How can we identify them? How can we convince people to be wary of others based on those factors instead of ineffective ones (like skin color)?
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Havard
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The OP was about culture, not race. Are there serious cultural problems within the African American community? Many African Americans think so, such as Bill Cosby. The degradation of women is a theme within gangsta rap. “You’re acting white” is a common put-down used within the African American community when black students try to achieve.
White people don’t want to make a judgment on this because we don’t want to be accused of being racists. I think we are being racist if we don’t help solve these real problems. We need to support good pastors and leaders within the African American community who challenge the unhealthy norms in their culture.
By the way, I’m not in any way saying that White Americans are impeccable, we have a lot of cultural problems too. White Americans are having more abortions per capita than Hispanic Americans, and I strongly suspect that the prevalence of Catholicism among Hispanic Americans (and lack thereof among White Americans) has a lot to do with this.
White people don’t want to make a judgment on this because we don’t want to be accused of being racists. I think we are being racist if we don’t help solve these real problems. We need to support good pastors and leaders within the African American community who challenge the unhealthy norms in their culture.
By the way, I’m not in any way saying that White Americans are impeccable, we have a lot of cultural problems too. White Americans are having more abortions per capita than Hispanic Americans, and I strongly suspect that the prevalence of Catholicism among Hispanic Americans (and lack thereof among White Americans) has a lot to do with this.
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redhen
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Yup, I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been locked by now.
Yes! I agree. Culture has a lot to do with behaviour. I blame modern popular culture for many of today’s ills. When I was growing up, we equated Black music with MoTown and Doo-wop, which were relatively innocent and innocuous compared to the misogynist Rap music of today.
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LDNCatholic
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No ‘‘White flight’’ for me, and I’m not middle class either.
Veronica I believe you have registered on this forum before.
I believe bullfighter was one of your previous incarnations.
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