Is "Culturism" as bad a "rascism?"

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I’m a White woman and would hesitate to be alone around black males. Every day in America alone, (not to mention South Africa), White women get raped by black men. People shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for having common sense and avoiding compromising and potentially dangerous situations.
Wow. Why don’t you watch Birth of a Nation and cheer on the heroic Klansmen while you’re at it. Disgraceful.

Furthermore, I also don’t believe that you are actually a white woman. Like a previous poster, I think you are actually bullfighter, with an expanded repertoire.
 
Wow. Why don’t you watch Birth of a Nation and cheer on the heroic Klansmen while you’re at it. Disgraceful.

Furthermore, I also don’t believe that you are actually a white woman. Like a previous poster, I think you are actually bullfighter, with an expanded repertoire.
And perhaps a dress, a wig and some makeup to go with the new name.
 
And perhaps a dress, a wig and some makeup to go with the new name.
Agreed- disgraceful.

Criminal behavior is problematic- period. Derogatory music- whether rock, metal, rap, or whatever may have a role as well. Gang clothing can also tend to engender violence.

The problem is with behavior not color- NOT RACE!

Personally, I find groups of loud youngsters at night kind of scary regardless of their race.
 
Hehe! I only just now realized that I typoed “racism” in the thread title!

DOH!
 
So what? Do you have the right not to be offended?

You’ve missed the point, but now that you mention it, Hispanics make up a large number of sexual predators, especially among the illegal alien population. Oh, but I forgot, we’re supposed to “welcome all strangers, for we are all pilgrims on this earth”. (Welcome the Hispanic border-hopping stranger in the hope they’ll fill the empty pews and coffers, perhaps?)

Modern day Christians seem to be the offspring of Bolsheviks.
Ahhh, I recognize this poster, now.:rolleyes:
 
And perhaps a dress, a wig and some makeup to go with the new name.
Questioning my gender, very witty, haha.

Speaking of gender, I wonder why the modern Church doesn’t seem to appeal to hetersexual men these days. I guess they don’t want to attend only to sing the saccharine hymns favored by my Aunt Dorothy. Wishy washy doesn’t appeal to normal males.

Is the Church militant about anything today?
 
OOOHHH! SNAP!!

Again- check out stormfront. . . Lots of “interesting” stuff there about perceived cultural difference. . . 😉
 
Questioning my gender, very witty, haha.
Re registering for the umpteenth time to continue your personal war on non whites, very pointless, ‘‘haha’’.

As feanor says (and as I’ve said time and again) take it to stormfront.
 
Re registering for the umpteenth time to continue your personal war on non whites, very pointless, ‘‘haha’’.

As feanor says (and as I’ve said time and again) take it to stormfront.
Stop trying to suggest I’m someone else in an attempt to distract.

Also, why do you keep trying to steer me in the direction of “Stormfront”? Shouldn’t your inclination be to try and perform a spiritual act of mercy, eg, fraternal correction? Oh, but I guess I’m just a big bad racist and therefore sub-human. I reckon pedophiles receive more compassion from your ranks.
 
Stop trying to suggest I’m someone else in an attempt to distract.

Also, why do you keep trying to steer me in the direction of “Stormfront”? Shouldn’t your inclination be to try and perform a spiritual act of mercy, eg, fraternal correction? Oh, but I guess I’m just a big bad racist and therefore sub-human. I reckon pedophiles receive more compassion from your ranks.
It is you bullfighter. No need to suggest.

From whose ranks? Catholics? My personal thoughts on the earthly punishment of paedophiles would dispell those thoughts.

Fine, you want fraternal correction? By the very fact you suggested correction, you know that what you suggest is contrary to the Catholic faith and therefore, contrary to Christ.

Why do you feel a need to ‘‘preserve’’ the white race when it is in the majority?
 
Threads like this tend to baffle me.

People talk about “racism” without ever defining it. Everyone agrees it’s bad, notwithstanding that virtually everyone expresses racism in some manner; positively or negatively. I don’t think anyone is entirely free of preconceptions about others who are different in some manner from ourselves, or even from each other. Do we not think in “discriminatory” ways when we find ourselves in the midst of a bunch of obvious farm kids versus a group of bikers? Are we not “discriminatory” when we expect behavior of one kind from a group of girls versus that of boys?

But isn’t the real moral issue how we TREAT people, not whether, e.g., we are more concerned when being approached by a group of black teenagers than we are when approached by a group of white teenagers (or vice versa, which it might be if one is black).

Nor, in my mind, is “culturism” pernicious if, by that, we mean having a higher regard for our own culture than we do for others. Goodness! If we didn’t, then why would we continue to adhere to our own or to any other, and not, e.g., try to be Hispanic this week and Japanese the next?

Again, isn’t the real question how we treat people of other cultures?

But beyond that, while we may have no moral basis for supposing that a given white man is somehow inherently superior to a given Hispanic man (and some Hispanics would take considerable umbrage at being distinguished from “white”, while some would not) we might well think Western culture generally superior to, e.g., that of some headhunting tribe or other, and we might think it for good reason, and have no moral obligation not to view both critically.

I have observed over time that cultures run a great deal deeper in us than we often suppose. Cultures are accreted over long spans of time and are often buttressed by the most subtle and even miniscule things which, added together, really do make differences. Even language imparts and reinforces differences developed over time. Are we English speakers affected by the fact that we unthinkingly use three different modes of speech that, when we switch back and forth among them, makes us very difficult to understand by people who were not raised as English speakers? Of course we are. Some languages don’t have that, and when we do it we often impart meanings additional to the words themselves. That’s not a bad thing, particularly, it’s just a peculiarity of native English speakers, and it affects how we think and impart thoughts.

I am quite sure I do not have a sufficient appreciation for what it means to be a Mexican, for example. I know what they mean by “La Raza” in a kind of intellectual way, and know why it is an important concept to them. But I haven’t lived it, and I can’t be part of it, and I can’t possibly ever learn all the little things that go into the cultural background of a Mexican. That’s not to say Mexican culture is somehow bad. But neither does it mean I cannot prefer my own or appreciate it above others. It does mean I should not deprecate it without sound reason (particularly because I cannot possibly really know it in the way they do) or treat one of them ill because of it.

A tiny example. One cannot help noticing that Mexicans seem to have an appreciation for bright orange, yellow and green in color schemes, where we “Anglos” seem more appreciative of blues, reds, “natural” colors and pastels. I can’t say why that is, other than it represents a cultural prejudice on both parts. I am not obliged to appreciate bright orange and green buildings. But I am obliged not to insult some Mexican because his building is bright orange and green. And while he is not obliged to appreciate my use of pastels, he is obliged not to insult me if my building is pastel.
 
Everyone is prejudiced, not everyone is racist.
Depends, of course, on what one means when one uses the term “racist”. The widely disparate meanings of the term, in my mind, prevent people from making crucial moral distinctions.
 
Firstly, as a Social Worker I am likely biased- however my profession, I believe, has the most well rounded and clear understanding of the psychological traits of prejudice, racism, oppression, discrimination, and other dynamics related to the human understanding of difference. These concepts are part-and-parcel with SW and are philosophically intertwined and inseparable form the profession. We have spent the most time studying these concepts and “fleshing them out” so to speak.

In other words- racism, sexism, ageism, etc. are part of the “science” of Social Work- and sound SW research and practice is sometimes a true science if reliable and valid.

Does that make me an expert on racism and prejudice- not really- but I feel it does give me a firm foot to provide at least a smidgen of insight into these issues that are ambiguous to many.

OK so first of all. Race as it is commonly understood “black, white, yellow, red” does not exist. It is a social and legal construction invented by man and made popular through the writings of the Romantic National movements and it’s emphasis on “Volk.”

In any case “The 4 Great Races” is a fallacy. As many of us know there are countless places were people look “kind of White and kind of Asian” like in eastern Russia among the nomadic people. There are many other examples but for brevity I just present this one.

And Race is a legal construction. In the US there have been the “one drop rule,” the “one eighth rule,” so on and so on. In our history Asian people have been “officially” listed as “White” at some points and “Asian” at others. Hispanics have been Black, “non-White” etc. etc. These classification have been politically motivated. A great book on this is “White by Law.”

So I begin with this dismantling of that which to many is seen as iron-clad; i.e. that Scandinavians are the “Really White” people and Eastern Africans are the “Really Black” people. There is no objective RACE hence no objective superiority of one race versus another.

I have set the stage to relate that RACISM is the belief “my terminology- as I hate to be a Paul Parrot” that there are OBJECTIVE qualities that place one RACE (often veiled as references to “culture”) as distinctly superior to another.

Concepts such as discrimination and oppression are important growths of racism.

My favorite all-encompassing framework aimed at the conceptualization of the question of race and inequality is known as the Unified Theory of Ethnic Relations. It is a truly elegant examination of many or most of the sociological, economic, vocational, etc. growing out of perceived racial difference.

These concepts are complex but are clear and can be objectified.

Those who make such old-as-dirt comments like “Why isn’t there a White History month?” are falling into the juvenile thinking and sophomoric concepts they have been fed by those who have in turn adopted these petty understandings. Such is how racism is passed down through the generations.

Lastly, Ridgerunner, I know that you do not feel as though some on this thread do. I do hope that this has been just a tiny bit helpful.

I wasn’t going to take the time to indulge the basal nature of this thread in a serious way but I took the pluge. It brought me back to grad school and I am thankful that I was able to think through this stuff at least, and relate a morsel of it to others.

To those who will CERTAINLY characterize what I have written as the concepts of the “over-educated” I never saw that term until I came to CAF- or those who will dismiss this as “leftist” well what can I say?

It is clear that comments of some on this thread AND another current one- are the SAME-OLD-SAME-OLD meat and potatoes comments and expressions of racists. Nor those who are prejudiced but true RACISTS.

So Don’t blame me for not taking the time to expand on my thinking and just calling these people stupid. I took the time. . . .

Again Ridgerunner- this is not aimed at you- but your inquiries as to what “really is racism” led to my little presentation here. Sorry for any typos or grammar screw-ups.

God Bless and save us from fear,
 
Firstly, as a Social Worker I am likely biased
Thanks for admitting that.
Race as it is commonly understood “black, white, yellow, red” does not exist. It is a social and legal construction invented by man and made popular through the writings of the Romantic National movements and it’s emphasis on “Volk.”
Thanks for the “official” stance on this, this is what they tried to teach us in college but many physical anthropologists and forensic scientists will disagree with you. pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/gill.html
In any case “The 4 Great Races” is a fallacy. As many of us know there are countless places were people look “kind of White and kind of Asian” like in eastern Russia among the nomadic people.
Right, these are clines; skin, eye and hair colour are polygenic traits, there will always be shades of these pigmentations. But these are the most superficial characteristics that are used for racial ID. Bones, dentition and DNA will show much more useful information.

Anyways, just wanted to say, like I told my profs, you don’t fight racism by trying to prove there’s no such things as races/ethnicity.
 
OK so first of all. Race as it is commonly understood “black, white, yellow, red” does not exist. It is a social and legal construction invented by man and made popular through the writings of the Romantic National movements and it’s emphasis on “Volk.”

In any case “The 4 Great Races” is a fallacy. As many of us know there are countless places were people look “kind of White and kind of Asian” like in eastern Russia among the nomadic people. There are many other examples but for brevity I just present this one.

And Race is a legal construction.

I have set the stage to relate that RACISM is the belief “my terminology- as I hate to be a Paul Parrot” that there are OBJECTIVE qualities that place one RACE (often veiled as references to “culture”) as distinctly superior to another.

Concepts such as discrimination and oppression are important growths of racism.

My favorite all-encompassing framework aimed at the conceptualization of the question of race and inequality is known as the Unified Theory of Ethnic Relations. It is a truly elegant examination of many or most of the sociological, economic, vocational, etc. growing out of perceived racial difference.

These concepts are complex but are clear and can be objectified.

Those who make such old-as-dirt comments like “Why isn’t there a White History month?” are falling into the juvenile thinking and sophomoric concepts they have been fed by those who have in turn adopted these petty understandings. Such is how racism is passed down through the generations.

Lastly, Ridgerunner, I know that you do not feel as though some on this thread do. I do hope that this has been just a tiny bit helpful.

It is clear that comments of some on this thread AND another current one- are the SAME-OLD-SAME-OLD meat and potatoes comments and expressions of racists. Nor those who are prejudiced but true RACISTS.

So Don’t blame me for not taking the time to expand on my thinking and just calling these people stupid. I took the time. . . .

Again Ridgerunner- this is not aimed at you- but your inquiries as to what “really is racism” led to my little presentation here. Sorry for any typos or grammar screw-ups.

God Bless and save us from fear,
Thank you for your comments. However, I do not think of “race” in the old categories you mention. Many don’t. I recall, for example, a young “Anglo” woman married to a Mexican man; a Mestizo. She was expecting a daughter and wanted to name the child “India” (after the country). Her husband and his relatives exploded! No! She could not name the child “India”, because in Spanish that is the feminine form of the word “Indian” (as in American Indian). If I am not greatly mistaken, Mestizos (“La Raza”), broadly speaking, are 80% “Indian”. Yet, they look down on “Indians” in the same sort of way that some white Americans once looked down on blacks. Naming the child “India” would be like naming a white child “Negress” in early 20th century Mississippi. One could go on at length about how Mexicans view, e.g., Guatemalans or, for that matter, how Uruguyans view Mexicans.

Some time ago, I had an interesting conversation with a number of blacks. They were of various black/white mixtures (as virtually all American blacks are). I was then and there acquainted with all the various terms blacks use to distinguish the various colors among themselves. It was plainly admitted that esteem followed color among them, though all were slightly embarrassed by it and admitted of exceptions to it.

Now, those kinds of things may be thought of as “subsets” of the bogus “racial distinctions” you mentioned. But they are also social distinctions that do not necessarily depend on “race” per se. A very “Indian-appearing” Mexican might not be thought of as an “Indio”, depending on various factors, including economic status and family history.

But I will also say that some element of “racism” is virtually “hard-wired” into human beings, though not necessarily in a malevolent way. Humans define “us” and “them” in various ways and virtually from birth. It is my belief that it’s part of “self-definition”. Not all distinctions, certainly, have anything to do with race, though it is a visually obvious way to define groups, particularly inasmuch as cultures and customs are very frequently different among people of similar inheritable characteristics of physiognomy. Alpine Italians are unlike Sicilians in many ways, and appearance is one of them. Why are they different in culture and customs? History is the easiest answer. But, notwithstanding that a given Sicilian might more closely resemble an Alpine than a “typical” Sicilian, appearance is a “reference point” whereby one might have some inkling, in advance, of cultural differences that might matter in the interchange between the parties, in the same sort of way that, e.g., an urban scholar might get advance clues in relating to a man with large, rough hands and a “farmer’s forehead” (lily white forehead on an otherwise deeply tanned face). Further development of the relationship might reveal that the farmer is a Rhodes scholar or exceedingly wise. But initially, the “stereotyping” can actually be helpful.

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I don’t think people can help connecting visual cues even if they try to avoid doing it. But my point was, and is, that while making such distinctions can have bad motivations and outcomes, they do not necessarily do so. So, perhaps “racism” should be more closely defined as including the motivation for making distinctions, not simply as making distinctions at all. Personally, I find it silly (and think it leads to moral confusion) when I hear people deny that they’re “racist”, or “prejudiced” (generally used interchangeably in common parlence) then go on to say things that clearly indicate their belief in stereotypes based on race, even positively. (e.g., “I appreciate the rich culture of the black community.”)

You have said, and rightly, that notions of “race” are often of political origin. No argument from me on that. But I also think the term “racism” is also a political term, more often than not, and when it is bandied about as freely as it is in this society, largely as a substitute for real political argument, all it does is confuse people, morally.

Long ago, a Jesuit priest explained to me that we are not obliged, morally, to “like” those of other races. If we cannot get past their ways because of our own, that is not a moral failing. We are obliged, however, to “love” them, in the Christian sense of doing them no harm, but rather, advancing their benefit if we can. I think, in talking about race and “racism” we often lose sight of that distinction.
 
Genetic similarity theory suggests that it is normal for people to care more about those who more closely resemble them genetically, ie, their larger tribe/race. Read Professor Rushton’s book: Race, Evolution, and Behavior.
 
Genetic similarity theory suggests that it is normal for people to care more about those who more closely resemble them genetically, ie, their larger tribe/race. Read Professor Rushton’s book: Race, Evolution, and Behavior.
Thank God Christians are called to be more than normal.
 
OK Bullf. . . uh. . Veronica. . whatever,

I happened to look up this professor of yours and it seems his work is racist and he is associated with other racist “scientific” bodies. He is not a mainline scientific thinker- no surprise there. . .

I can’t believe I am still indulging this low-brow thread. . .
 
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