Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

[Aloysium]

Are people still arguing over this point!!!

Yes. It ties in to everything. Just a few of the questions involved have to do with who we are, individually and as a species, what we are, as matter, mind and spirit, what is existence and creation, how we are conceived, how we can know anything, the difference between knowledge and illusion, the impact of societal myths on how we see the world and what we do. The list could fill the maximum number of characters allowed. It’s good to push at the limits of one’s understanding. It’s good to share one’s views and to learn from others.

 

[Aloysium]

I think that even hominids without the “intelligence and will” you attribute exclusively to humans could have evolved much greater capabilities than we observe, if we hadn’t killed them all.

Evolution is a misnomer actually, because it rests on random physical events permitted by necessity. It would be better called the theory of transmutation of the species. Although we see greater complexity of physical form and psychological attributes, these are not determined in any way by the forces at work in nature. That there are creatures such as lions where once there were only bacteria is a random occurence according to evolutionary theories. They are essentially about fitness, the capacity to physically produce offspring in an environment. There is no pressure for greater capabilities within that process other than the example you give where hominids instinctively competed with us, and being unfit to do so, they perished. We in fact would be the driving force to make them brighter, if that’s how it works. That process continues as we transform the world to better fulfill our wants, and more and more species are extinguished.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

I’m not sure it’s sensible first to redefine the theory of evolution, then to give it another name, and then to disagree with it. The nature of randomness as an evolutionary factor is, I think, of philosophical interest, but it is important to understand the part it plays. Those who proclaim their opposition to blind, undirected or unintelligent randomness need to analyse exactly what they mean by those words, and whether they apply to evolution, before their opposition can be reasonable.

You capture the dilemma well by saying “That there are creatures such as lions where once there were only bacteria is a random occurrence according to evolutionary theories.” Although the existence of any particular lion may be considered a lucky chance by evolutionary standards, it may well be that the global environmental conditions during which evolution has occurred could have been predicted to have resulted in large carnivores. The extraordinary similarity of marsupials in a variety of ecological niches to placental counterparts outside Australasia is an interesting pointer to the inevitability of some random outcomes.

We in fact would be the driving force to make them brighter, if that’s how it works.

Not necessarily. Competition between species can result in the ‘improvement’ of them both, but not necessarily. Sometimes one of them wins, to the extinction of the other.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

So, the post dino conditions waited millions of years for evolution to evolve a creature suitable for the post dino conditions ?

There is no waiting I presume. Unless the earth is totally dead post dino conditions which I doubt. Whatever can live in post dino conditions will just live on. Do the fossil evidences indicate there were a total absence of life after the dino? Not that I am aware of. Life goes on without the dinos. It is not that the earth have to restart life all over again.

What I mean is evolution is supposed to be triggered by new environmental changes that a animal has to face . How is the animal going face these changes if it has to wait millions years for evolution to evolve these adaptations ?

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

Do you believe God made fish, bread and wine out of nothing, as the Bible says ?

God multiplied fish and bread. He started with “stuff”. Wine? That is mostly water which he readily had. Not saying he couldn’t have created out of nothing, he could but the examples you quoted are not the best illustration of creating out of nothing but of changing something to another or to greater quantities…

I guess I should’ve never said “out of nothing” how about… popped into existence.

 

[Aloysium]

I think you may be more correct. The transformation of water into wine at a molecular level seems highly complicated and moreso increasing the number of atoms that would be involved in the multiplication of the fish. What these miracles show is that He who brings everything in existence can ex nihilo, ontologically replace that which is now with something else in the next instant. It appears as a transformation because in time, the substance of the water was changed qualitatively and that of the fish, quantitatively. This may be understood as God replacing His bringing into existence one thing, the water and a small amount of bread and fish, with something else, the wine and more food.

 

[IWantGod]

It’s good to push at the limits of one’s understanding. It’s good to share one’s views and to learn from others.

Yes, but its not good to ignore facts and promote conspiracy theories against the Church.

 

[Aloysium]

Self-reflection can reveal the roots of what we tend to focus on and why.

 

[Techno2000]

The transformation of water into wine at a molecular level seems highly complicated

And… not only that, the molecules were fermented , aged and good tasting molecules.

 

[edwest211]

Please reference a Church document that mentions hominids.

 

[edwest211]

Yes, the headwaiter agreed.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

There isn’t one, as far as I know. Is it important?

 

[curious_cath]

Adam and Eve in the Paradise is a symbolic story! What else could be? Nobody was around to record the words that were supposedly spoken. So who would know? Moses only wrote down a myth, no more.

 

[Techno2000]

Adam and Eve in the Paradise is a symbolic story! What else could be? Nobody was around to record the words that were supposedly spoken. So who would know? Moses only wrote down a myth, no more.

Just like nobody was around to record your sins.

 

[IWantGod]

Just like nobody was around to record your sins.

ooooooooooooooooooooo. That was a low blow.

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!.

Just kidding. We are not in school anymore.

 

[buffalo]

Moses most likely had clay tablets in his possession that contained the Toledoths.

 

[curious_cath]

Fighting evolution by the biblical Paradise story of Adam and Eve is bonehead fundamentalism. You might be a fundamentalist which is fine with me. But I prefer to use my brain and mind for thinking. “You shall love your God by … all you mind!” This is Scripture!

Some people even tell you that the world is 6 thousands years old per the biblical creation story. Lol.

 

[Aloysium]

But I prefer to use my brain and mind for thinking

That’s what this is all about, using one’s reason rather than regurgitating what has been instilled by a society which does not place God first. Instead of disparaging what one thinks other people believe, it is far more productive to assert one’s own beliefs and listen to what others are saying.

So tell us where your curiosity has taken you. It sounds like you believe Darwinism is truth; what exactly is true about it?

 

[edwest211]

"Real History

"The argument is that all of this is real history, it is simply ordered topically rather than chronologically, and the ancient audience of Genesis, it is argued, would have understood it as such.

"Even if Genesis 1 records God’s work in a topical fashion, it still records God’s work—things God really did.

"The Catechism explains that “Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day” (CCC 337), but “nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when God’s word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history is rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun” (CCC 338).

"It is impossible to dismiss the events of Genesis 1 as a mere legend. They are accounts of real history, even if they are told in a style of historical writing that Westerners do not typically use.

"Adam and Eve: Real People

"It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).

“In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).”

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[curious_cath]

Darwinism in its original form is extremely crude and primitive. No scientist would follow thge original exposure of Darwin’s theory as he himself presented. However, an avalanche of evidence confirms evolution as a genuine phenomenon to carry out the work of God in the universe. Another way to say that is God initiated evolution by the famous divine sparkle to carry out the laborious work of creating different life forms and intelligent human beings on earth.