Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

[Aloysium]

the wikipedia article of the evolution of birds.

Perhaps birds, maybe not unlike some that now exist, were present before dinosaurs. A little cutting, modification and pasting of genetic material, and you have something that looks different. Some rebel angel entrusted with the construction of animals created by God, decided to do it its way. Until, I guess the whole thing was reset by an asteroid or other cataclysmic event, to continue as planned. Far fetched? Less so, imho, than evolutionary theories which speak of random mutation and natural selection.

It takes a lot of coincidental happenings to form a fossil. A creature with substantial bones has to be quickly killed by a flash covering of sand having a good flow of water through it. There can’t be too much shifting of the ground. Of all the billions of human beings that have and will exist, only a few bones would be petrified to be uncovered millions of years from now. Birds can be small and they quickly take flight.

I’m not saying it happened this way, but we should keep our minds open.

 

[Richca]

The Nephilim were the result of mating between human women and the “sons of God” (Genesis 6:4). How many sons does God have? And if those sons mated with human women then they were biologically compatible with human women. That means that Jesus was not the only human son of God, there were other human sons earlier.
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Various interpretations have been given to Gen. 6:1-4 concerning the ‘sons of God’ and the ‘daughters of men’ in the Christian tradition and among the Fathers of the Church. The interpretation that seems to express the intent of the sacred writer the best comes from various fathers such as St Augustine and St John Chrysostom and is the following:
The ‘sons of God’ are the descendants of Seth who was born to Adam and Eve after Cain killed Abel. The descendants of Seth including Seth himself are those who are associated or represented as ‘calling upon the name of the Lord’ (Gen. 4:25). Abel, whose sacrifice pleased the Lord but was killed by Cain, is replaced with another good child of Adam and Eve, namely Seth. Eve named him Seth, ’ for she said, "God has appointed for me another child instead of Abel, for Cain slew him” (Gen. 4:25).The descendants of Cain are represented as a wicked race, those whose hope is only in the present world, and the genealogy of Cain’s descendants ends with Lamech who like Cain apparently slew a man unjustly for he says ‘If Cain is avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy-sevenfold’ (4:24).

The ‘daughers of men’ are the descendants of Cain. Accordingly, in this interpretation of Gen. 6:1-4, the ‘sons of God’ (the descendants of Seth) began to intermingle and marry the ‘daughters of men’ (the descendants of Cain, a wicked race) which daughters of Cain influenced and corrupted the ‘sons of God.’ Thereby the whole human race becomes corrupt and wicked (Gen. 6:5) and brings about God’s judgement and the Flood. Noah, a descendant of Seth, only is found to be ‘righteous and blameless’, for he ‘walked with God.’ Noah and his family are saved from the Flood.

According to Gen. 6:4, the Nephilim were already on the earth before the intermingling of the ‘sons of God’ and the ‘daughters of men’. For the scripture says ‘The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them.’ Apparently, however, the intermingling of the ‘sons of God’ and the ‘daughters of men’ also bore Nephilim or ‘giants’, that is, large men or women. There appears to have always been ‘giant’ people as we have now.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

Just like nobody was around to record your sins.

ooooooooooooooooooooo. That was a low blow.

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!.

Just kidding. We are not in school anymore.

I’m sorry if that was a low blow…the point I was trying to make is… the spiritual world is interconnected to the material world, so everything is recorded.

 

[Techno2000]

To date, no evolutionist has the answer on how inanimate matter somehow became alive.

The answer is…THAT’S ABIOGENESIS…

 

[Techno2000]

Even so, there is not enough time for evolution to do its timely thing to differentiate into so many complex lifeforms.

Well… apparently there was a convenient and timely “environmental change” for all the complex lifeforms, and all the transitional stages that went with it, for all the organisms on the planet.

 

[edwest211]

That’s all I’m trying to say.

 

[Richca]

Adam and Eve in the Paradise is a symbolic story! What else could be? Nobody was around to record the words that were supposedly spoken. So who would know? Moses only wrote down a myth, no more.

Do you believe that the very first words of Genesis and the whole Bible which Moses wrote ‘In the beginning’ are also mythical for Moses surely wasn’t around at the beginning of creation? Yet, the Catholic Church teaches as a divinely revealed truth that by the first verse of the Bible ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth’ is understood the temporal creation of the universe, that is, creation had a beginning and is not eternal. This could have only been known to Moses by divine revelation and Moses had and experienced a very many supernatural divine revelations. Prophecy which concerns things divinely revealed to the prophet need not only be about events in the future or the present, but it can also pertain to the past such as in the first verse of the Bible ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’ What is divinely revealed here is that creation had a beginning and that God is the author and creator of the universe.

What is also of a highly divine revelatory character in the verses of Genesis chapter 1 are the words which begin each day’s work of God, namely, "And God said, ‘Let there be’ this or that. Moses may not have known the full revelatory import of these words and action of God he sets down in writing in God’s work of the six days of creation. However, under the influence of divine inspiration or prophecy, God was guiding his writing. The words which God speaks in Genesis 1 from which follows some further creative activity of God is a hidden revelation of the Trinity or more specifically, a revelation of the second person of the Trinity, God the Word through whom the work of the six days of creation was accomplished as the apostle St John makes clear in the beginning of his gospel.

Genesis 1 is full of deep divine mysteries and not just verse 1. Could God have supernaturally revealed to Moses in a vision or words the beginning of creation and its formation in some fashion which Moses sets down in writing? He certainly could have and we know for certain that it contains divinely revealed mysteries and truths such as what I have said above. Indeed, the whole of Scripture is divinely inspired.

Concerning Adam and Eve in the garden of paradise, there are truths contained here such as in chapter 3 as well as chapter 2 which the Church teaches to be divinely revealed such as the divine institution of marriage, the immediate creation of human souls, the creation of Adam and Eve in original holiness and justice and sanctifying grace, a command God gave our first parents, the Fall of Adam and Eve and original sin which resulted in death and other punishments.

 

[Richca]

(continued)

God could have revealed to Moses in a supernatural vision or words or something similar, of which he had many of and like supernatural experiences, actual historical events of Adam and Eve in the garden of paradise analogous to the supernatural experiences of the later prophets of the Old Testament concerning future or present events. Given what is known about Moses’ many supernatural experiences and communications with God and the angels in his lifetime as well as the supernatural and prophetic experiences of other prophets in the Old Testament, I think it is kind of naive to infer that since Moses wasn’t around when Adam and Eve were, how could he know what happened or what was spoken. In other words, it is possible that it was supernaturally revealed to him. God can supernaturally reveal to someone historical events of the past just as he can reveal to someone as he did to some of the prophets of the Old Testament historical events to come in the future such as the coming of Christ, the virgin birth of Christ, the place where Christ was to be born, the sacrificial death of Christ to redeem humanity, the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Richca]

Totally true. Just arrange a few artist impressions neatly in a straight line that were conjured from a few fragments of bones, and any sucker can be led to believe that was the actual progression. Unfortunately there isn’t sufficient time to do all that evolution stuff. I am still stuck at Haldane’s Dilemma which has not been proven invalid yet.

In case you haven’t heard, there has also been produced a work (within the last few years I believe) supplementary to Haldane’s Dilemma which is called Haldane’s Rachet. I don’t have the link presently, but you can google for it.

 

[edwest211]

John 5:46

New International Version
“If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.”

New Living Translation
“If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.”

English Standard Version
“For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.”

Luke 24:27

“And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.”

 

[Aloysium]

God could have revealed to Moses in a supernatural vision or words or something similar, of which he had many of and like supernatural experiences, actual historical events of Adam and Eve in the garden of paradise analogous to the supernatural experiences of the later prophets of the Old Testament concerning future or present events.

Or it was passed on straight from Adams mouth, through successive generations by the people that would become the Israelites and from whom Jesus would be born.

 

[Richca]

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This may be the image to which you refer. It’s an artist’s rendition of what many anthropologists make of the fossil record.

It suggests that evolution involves transitions, equating what happened during the history of the world to what happens during the course of human development.

Yes, the image is highly speculative and assumes the evolutionary origin of human beings. The fossil record can be interpreted differently if one takes off their evolutionary blinkers and assumes rather the immediate creation both as to soul and body of our first parents. In the standard evolutionary taxonomy concerning the fossil record leading to Homo Sapiens or modern humans, the Homo genus is preceded by the Australopithecine genus. There is a very marked difference in the morphology between the two groups such that the fossils in the Homo genus are human-like and the fossils in the Australopithecine are ape-like. There is controversy whether some of the supposed species that are or have been placed in the Homo group should be there at all such as the Homo Habilis which it appears is more ape-like than human-like. The main ‘species’ in the Homo group are homo erectus, neanderthal, and homo sapiens or modern humans. To make a long story short, homo erectus, neanderthal, and probably some of the other supposed species put in the Homo group can all be sunk into homo sapiens or simply human beings and some ought to be sunk into the Australopithecine group. The Australopithecines are not an evolutionary transitional animal on the road to human beings but simply extinct species of tree-swinging apes or chimps. Homo erectus and neaderthals are most likely human beings whose morphology falls within human variability and various races of humans. They do not have to be considered transitional animals leading to human beings but are most likely, as I said, human beings themselves.
Neither do we have to look for something like a slowly evolving intelligence of sorts from ape to man. Man’s intellect is immediately created for each person by God, it doesn’t evolve from lower life forms. A being either has an intellect or it don’t. Human beings are the only ‘animal’ that has an intellect on earth, the rest of the animals don’t.

Interesting article here I came across from answersingenesis.org. The author uses the conventional times and ages that are standard in evolutionary literature such as in millions of years but which he says he doesn’t believe in an earth millions of years old. I personally am okay with an old earth.
https://answersingenesis.org/human-...to-modern-man-evolution-or-human-variability/

There is a very interesting chapter concerning the fossil record in the book titled ‘Science and Human Origins’ published by the Discovery Institute as well. In an earlier post, I also gave a link to an interesting article titled ‘The fossil Record and the Fall of Darwin’s Last Icon.’

 

[curious_cath]

Exactly! The symbolic nature of the creation narrative make it possible to express theological content through mystical figures. The Catholic Church also teaches that evolution is not in conflict with creation, because the creation story is “good”. Good for your faith. Good for your grasping the divine plan through your own window of intellect. Then, you will be ready to advance to a higher level of faith when symbolism is reconciled with reality, Paradise with evolution, Adam and Eve with the cave men.

 

[curious_cath]

Even Moses himself is a mystical figure. Some theories relate him to Tuthmosis, an Egyptian royal family. He is supposed to be a prince in disguise. His story of being rescued in a basket came from an older Chaldean myth of a Chaldean king. Of course, God could have told him word by word what took place in Paradise and he could have recorded it that way. But God usually don’t do such things. He is not a story teller, He is a creator.

Most of the narratives in Genesis serve pedagogical purposes in the development of a concept of faith in a God. There were very pagan and polytheistic people around who had to be socialized into a regular faith structure with priestly authority, rule, obedience and submission. These myths serve this purpose in an excellent manner.

 

[Richca]

Or it was passed on straight from Adams mouth, through successive generations by the people that would become the Israelites and from whom Jesus would be born.

Yes, this is possible too.

 

[edwest211]

The Bible, in all its parts, was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church was given the authority to interpret Scripture authoritatively.

 

[Glark]

To date, no evolutionist has the answer on how inanimate matter somehow became alive.

In a thousand years time, they still won’t have a clue. Only God knows how he transformed inanimate matter into life.

 

[Glark]

Ericc, try reading the wikipedia article of the evolution of birds.

Birds have a completely different respiratory system to reptiles, In order for a reptile to evolve into bird, it would have had to evolve the bird respiratory system separately to and simultaneously with its original reptilian respiratory system. Then when the bird respiratory system had fully evolved, it somehow “took over” the breathing duties and the old reptilian respiratory system was “shut down” and disappeared.

This scenario is just too ludicrous for any half-intelligent person to take seriously. But the atheists who invented the theory of evolution would much rather believe in junk scientific and fairy tales than acknowledge the existence of a Creator.

 

[Glark]

But you have to see the irreconcilable conflict with your own reality.

You seem to think that this evolution thing is very important. In that case, perhaps you can tell what I’m missing out on by rejecting the theory that all life on earth evolved from microbes.

 

[Glark]

Or it was passed on straight from Adams mouth, through successive generations by the people that would become the Israelites and from whom Jesus would be born.

I think it was the prophet Daniel who said he didn’t understand some of the things that God was inspiring him to record in writing. Nevertheless, what he was writing down was the Word of God.