Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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benjamin1973 said:
I have a question for the Catholics:

If ID is true and evolution is not, then why are some animal species capable of breeding, but their offspring are non-viable? Why can a tiger and a lion make a liger? Why can a horse and a donkey make a mule? Why can a zebra and a horse make a zorse? But a chimp can’t mate with a gorilla and there are no humanzees. Why are there no tiger-horse “torses” or whale-fish “whishes”?

The evolutionary explanation is simple: the species diverged only recently from a common ancestor, and their genetic makeup is similar enough that they can interbreed; but their genetic makeup is not so similar that their offspring will be viable. They are, in fact, different species of the cat family, the horse family, etc.

I’d very much like to see how the Bible or church teachings edifies us on the crossbreeding of near species.
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Evolutionary theory is actually a story, a modern materialist myth.

The facts that we might agree upon are:
  • the universe has existed for some thirteen billion years, based on some very fancy science.
  • life on earth seems to have been here for a couple of billion, and during that time it has changed
  • genetics
It seems that the problem you address is more one for modern taxonomy and what we don’t know about genetics.

Try thinking about yourself and what it means for you to be an expression of a species - humanity. We need the brain capacity to actualize many of our human traits. They include mathematics, story telling, hard work, philosophy, science, war, etc. These are our “instincts”, in addition to emotions like fear and anger, sensations like pleasure and pain. Every molecule in our body has an organic source and ultimately the earth, air, water and the sun. In spite of all the changes as we incorporate matter into ourselves, there exists a continuity of being, a wholeness that “processes” material and psychological information, thereby creating our day-to-day existence.

We are a new creation with Adam. There are no pre-existing ancestors, although the information contained in the structure of the genes and the cells in which they are housed, appears to have been passed on to form the first perfect human being. He was not only the father of all mankind, but also represents humanity, its fallen soul, which has been redeemed by Christ who became one of us to fulfill the destiny for which we were meant.

I could go on and on, but I’m not sure if I’m addressing your concerns.
 
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That’s right. What evolutionary scientists take from this is that while both are marine animals, whales are much more closely related to mammals than they are to sharks, and that they probably have ancestors which had use for hands and arms, i.e. which didn’t have flippers.

Metamorphosis is something I know little about, but I will probably spend some time googling it. I’m very curious what evolutionary scientists have to say about such a complex growth pattern.
 
An unusual point of view. I’ve been studying synthetic biology and genetic engineering. Money is almost always the motive. And a lot of different proposals are out there. No one can modify a part without modifying the animal at the brain level, the nervous system, additional bone and muscle and so on. One could create a digital render but it’s what’s under the skin that would matter. We’re a very long way from understanding how molecular switches work. They can have an on-off function, or many more. They regulate everything. I doubt any experiments would work or survive.

The Lord is not limited.
 
I agree with you about the evolutionary mythology. I don’t think evolution is a thing, or even a process-- it’s just the name for the way populations of animals interact with the environment over time, and arrive at new populations of different animals. It’s kind of like asking where red “changes into” yellow in a rainbow. It doesn’t-- you’re looking at a different thing now.

But in looking at records over time, and in comparing features of existing animals, it looks like today’s population of animals has been arrived at by a very interesting process-- and that’s evolution.
 
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What did I start🤦

I just had to ask about Darwin’s theory. I would get a quick answer I thought. Now I opened up the Christian version of the Pandora’s box
 
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I’m not sure that’s true about the brain. You get mutated people who have tails, and they can move them and feel them. Some people have extra fingers, and the extra finger is functional. It seems that the body is versatile enough to allow its “owner” to use it even with some modifications.

And we’re not talking about new features, either. If you could make a dog with flipper-shaped paws, it would from birth wave those little flipper-paws around until it learned to swim really well, I’m sure.
 
This doesn’t explain anything, much less little changes that took millions of years. At least, that’s what we’re told.
 
No need to cry. This is just one side and another side. Like any discussion.
 
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What did I start🤦

I just had to ask about Darwin’s theory. I would get a quick answer I thought. Now I opened up the Christian version of the Pandora’s box
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This is such a difficult subject and there is so much passion that accompanies people’s views. Thank you though, it is interesting and helps one think.

Actually, it is a very good thing, because people see that there may be other ways of looking at what is taught as a brute fact.
 
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edwest211 said:
No need to cry. This is just one side and another side. Like any discussion.
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I ain’t crying. I’m amused and astounded by the amount of knowledge and debating that this subject has. The authenticity of Darwin’s theory enticed me to make the first thread, as well as the question as to whether Catholics can accept such a theory
 
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I’m still waiting for an explanation of how there can be ligers, zorses, and things like that if God designed animals at Creation to be discrete species.
 
Ha. Just wait till we pass the 2K mark again. Or better yet, you could stop reading.
 
Yep, because the perfect design for a marine animal is an elbow, two forearm bones, a wrist and fingers?
 
You’ve provided no evidence. I reviewed some anatomy and bone structure images and everything convinces me that what is there is designed to move a large fin and that’s it. A Sperm Whale weighs between 77,000 and 130,000 pounds. Moving that kind of weight through the water would require such a bone structure.
 
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It is a fact that bacteria can “evolve” to be resistant to antibiotics. It is a fact because it can be observed and demonstrated repeatedly. However It is not a fact that all life on earth evolved from microbes, because this process cannot be observed or demonstrated even once, let alone repeatedly.
 
Some people believe something like the human eye evolved, because that’s what they want to believe. But scientifically speaking, an eye that evolved is pure fantasy. An evolving eye also has to somehow connect to a brain (which also had to evolve) before it is of any use, so the story gets too ridiculous to be taken seriously by a rational mind. God could perform such a feat, but that would involve a series of miracles that cannot be observed in nature.
 
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