Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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So by the time they get to Minnesota, they will all have what it takes to survive there.
No animal in this day and age goes into an environment it’s unfit for.
They do if there are other factors propelling it, like too much competition where they are at.
Sure to greener pastures, but never to where they have to mutate into a completely new animals and have their reproductive system shut down …None of this can be seen happening today.
 
These so-called quick environmental changes would have to have happen to every transitional stage for every plant and animal on the planet.
Why? A “quick environmental change” might just be a forest fire in a particular area. Organisms within the area of the fire would die because of the “quick environmental change” while organisms away from the fire would not be affected. Why would the change have to be “for every plant and animal on the planet”? Again, your lack of relevant knowledge is hampering your understanding. An environmental change can be very local, a single river valley flooding for example.

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That’s right. Animals do, under certain circumstances, need to migrate a short distance to greener pastures. For example, a forest fire has destroyed a large swath of their territory. They move to another, and if they can’t find food, they die. They have to find it in a short period of time. A very short period of time.
 
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So by the time they get to Minnesota, they will all have what it takes to survive there.
No animal in this day and age goes into an environment it’s unfit for.
They do if there are other factors propelling it, like too much competition where they are at.
Sure to greener pastures, but never to where they have to mutate into a completely new animals and have their reproductive system shut down …None of this can be seen happening today.
Greener pastures were probably already populated. To quote Dr. Ian Malcolm, “Life, uh, finds a way.”
 
That’s right. Animals do, under certain circumstances, need to migrate a short distance to greener pastures. For example, a forest fire has destroyed a large swath of their territory. They move to another, and if they can’t find food, they die. They have to find it in a short period of time. A very short period of time.
And evolution would be useless in this scenario .
 
My version? Well how I see it, though not the exhaustive list, you’d start with the Big Bang, eventually come to the formation of earth, natural processes leading to nutrient-filled oceans, first cell, stromatalites, Cambrian explosion, so on and so forth until early hominids, birth of Adam and his soul created by God, given all true men taking lineage through Adam maybe a split in the embryonic stage and miraculous intervention to change a Y to a second X, maybe from the rib. The Fall. They have babies. I’ve looked into the idea of if A&E’s children interbreeding with the early hominids would be theologically allowable. If so, that. Otherwise incest ensues. (And given science showing people have some Neanderthal DNA I wish I could find a Catholic source specifically addressing the possibility of A&E before the homo sapiens-Neanderthal split. Still haven’t found anything.) People go through stone age, bronze age, so on and so forth. Since you mentioned us in particular, Mom and Dad you know, sperm reaches egg, God makes soul, miracle of childbirth, so and so forth, now we’re here.

In short, God made us through evolution.
 
But if a forest fire destroys most of a food source but some have a little tolerance for another food, those that can’t eat a new food may die while those able to eat the other food source reproduce.

Quick change though are usually fatal. It’s one reason why the loss of polar ice is threatening to polar bears as it’s happening at rate quicker than you’d expect natural selection to work and minor adaptations to survive. Over time, a slightly lighter coat or ability to eat other food sources might be enough to aurvive changes. But over a short time, the changes can be too drastic for slight adaptations to realistically help cope against the change,
 
But if a forest fire destroys most of a food source but some have a little tolerance for another food, those that can’t eat a new food may die while those able to eat the other food source reproduce.
There’s forest fires all the time, and God’s ecosystem finds a way for nature to survive…there’s no need for evolution.
 
There are swimming creatures, flying creatures and walking creatures.

Through adaptation we have seen many changes, but these basics still exist today as in the beginning.
 
That’s right. That happens all the time. New growth begins to appear and so on.
 
but some have a little tolerance for another food, those that can’t eat a new food may die while those able to eat the other food source reproduce.
Those that can eat live ,those that can’t die.The forest quickly regrows and animals repopulate it…simple as that.
 
This is Catholic Answers and the spiritual cannot be separated from the physical. But there are posts here that say God used evolution, but God and science can’t mix, right? And that human beings shared a common ancestor with apes? Really? But ‘stay on message’ I guess.
 
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The Flood isn’t discounted actually. The current idea is that Flood stories came from post-ice age times when melting glaciers raised sea levels. The Persian Gulf used to be inhabited. The Black Sea, as I’ve heard from someone, has prehistoric sites under it. For people living there, it would appear that their world was getting covered in water. Not mwntion that back then, the whole world meant the whole known world.
 
Global flood stories include those from other countries. So ‘known world’ - as in known in the Middle East/North Africa - does not apply.
 
I think there is a link between “conspiracy theory” and evolution. Has anyone ever spoken to a 9/11 Truther? They will argue with you till they are blue in the face of all the science supporting the conspiracy theory. But there is one scientific principle absent from their theory… observation. Everyone saw the planes crash into the Trade Centers. In order to draw the parallel, The Flood was “a fact” established by every available source in history starting with “Gilgamesh” the first known book which begins with the words … “After the time of the flood” in the preface. Now, what happens when an airplane crashes into a 120 story building made to withstand the impact of a 747? Well, I would propose that the science begin with observation of a universally acknowledged fact … a plane crashed into the Trade Center and build the science upon this fact. In parallel, what happens when the world is flooded with water up to the mountain tops? Well, I would suggest that we begin building our science upon this universally established fact when interpreting the evidence. But they don’t. They throw out the flood and begin constructing an evolutionary theory out of all they find … because, instead of building their science on a universally observed historical fact, they dismiss it and replace it with a false fact, namely, that there was no flood. They construct their narrative accordingly, just like a conspiracy theory, which assumes a fact contrary to universal observation. In speaking to a conspiracy theorist, they will dismiss the obvious, and construe the evidence that fits their narrative of conspiracy, throw out anything that indicates otherwise, and construct a false narrative as a result. Convincing as the argument can be, it is flawed because it deny’s the universally witnessed fact of planes flying into the Trade Centers, and assumption that should begin the scientific inquiry as to what exactly happens when this unprecedented event transpires. Now, history is quite clear that there was a universal flood. If Evolutionists would acknowledge such universally acclaimed historical facts, they could better interpret the fossil record according to observed history … but they don’t. They throw out this historical fact, and replace it with a Universal Theory of history that no such catastrophic event transpired and interprets the evidence accordingly. When glaring contradictions to their narratives are shown, such as the fossil graveyards, they are dismissed as anomalies yet to be interpreted properly according to their preconceived evolutionary theory. This strikes me very much as the rational for Conspiracy Theory.
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A literalistic interpretation of The Flood isn’t required. Call it twisting if you want, but Genesis can validly be taken allegorically.
 
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