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So these animals don’t mate and reproduce also ?Those mutations will quickly die with the animals that have them.
So these animals don’t mate and reproduce also ?Those mutations will quickly die with the animals that have them.
They will say this happens so gradually that nobody will notice anything, and all will be well.Now, I would like to know where my understanding is lacking. Please correct it. I am sure I must be in error in understanding as the above sounds ridiculous.
Random mutations know how to produce animals fit for survival ,but first random mutations it must first produce animals not fit for survival.Why can’t random mutations get it right the first time ?Animals survive to fill their niche because they survived. Randomly.
I depends on how serious the random variation is. Some of them are so serious the animal dies before it can reach the age of maturity to mate. Those that do manage to mate and pass along their genetic code to their offspring will not produce as many offspring, and their offspring will not be as successful, and eventually they will all die out leaving no offspring at all.LeafByNiggle:![]()
So these animals don’t mate and reproduce also ?Those mutations will quickly die with the animals that have them.
So with random mutations you have to take the good with the bad ,but if you wait long enough the good will always win, and this is how we got world we see today.Some of them are so serious the animal dies before it can reach the age of maturity to mate.
And if the ecosystem changes? Has God set up his system so that every animal can adapt to the changes? If dogs enter into the system where we have our chickens, does God allow for what everyone in this thread refers to and accepts as adaption?Yes, God created every animal to fill a niche in a ecosystem.
You mean elephants whose offspring have smaller tusk ?Techno2000:![]()
And if the ecosystem changes? Has God set up his system so that every animal can adapt to the changes? If dogs enter into the system where we have our chickens, does God allow for what everyone in this thread refers to and accepts as adaption?Yes, God created every animal to fill a niche in a ecosystem.
Because if you say no, you are the only person who has posted on this thread that doesn’t believe that happens.
Correction…who refuses to accept that that happens. Literally everyone who says macro evolution doesn’t happen states quite clearly that micro evolution does. And that’s as far as it goes.
They say that when you are in diagreement with someone, then keep stepping back until you reach a point where you can both say - Yeah, we agree on that, so let’s move on and see where we go.
I have gone back literally to the absolute beginning of where any discussion like this can go. To the undeniable fact that succesive generations of animals adapt to their conditions. Whether by intent, or by natural means.
So please, can we agree at least on that.
What animals and what environment can you be a little more specific.Let’s not be specific. Just in general terms, do you agree that succesive generations of animals can adapt to a changing environment?
If global warming is true then we should see Polar bears adapting… are they ?Let’s not be specific. Just in general terms, do you agree that succesive generations of animals can adapt to a changing environment?
No, we don’t need to be specific. We just need a general agreement that under certain conditions, such as a change in the environment, succesive generations of some animals can adapt to those changes.Bradskii:![]()
What animals and what environment can you be a little more specific.Let’s not be specific. Just in general terms, do you agree that succesive generations of animals can adapt to a changing environment?
We’re not even talking about macro evolution over millions of years. Just simple changes that may occur down the generations due to changes in environment.Evolution would have to know what the environment will be like millons of years into the future, so that it can (slowly and gradually) mutate the necessary adaptations for the animal to survive in that new environment.
Lets work this forward to a later time. These originals could reproduce. Over time, they GAINED the ability to reproduce with the new species and now we have what is a man-made definition of speciation ala evolution. I would call this evolution.Let’s work this back to an earlier time. These originals could reproduce. Over time, they LOST the ability and now we have what is a man-made definition of speciation ala evolution. I would call this devolution.
Does evil exist? Yes or no?but on the other hand you interpret literally when it suits you, as with your “God creates evil” Isaiah verse.
Your lack of knowledge of evolution is showing here. Evolution includes natural selection. By omitting natural selection you are setting up a strawman. Random mutations are random. Natural selection eliminates or reduces the deleterious mutations and amplifies the beneficial mutations over the generations.Random mutations know how to produce animals fit for survival ,but first random mutations it must first produce animals not fit for survival.Why can’t random mutations get it right the first time ?
When environments change suddenly some animals migrate to places better suited for them. Or they just die out, as many species have done.If the environment changes fast how is slow evolution going to keep up, it takes millons of years for evolution to work, while environments can change overnight, the time doesn’t add up.