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paperwight66
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There are also people who cannot receive the Host (coeliacs) and in the severest cases would not be able to receive at all if there were intinction, because of contamination.
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Phemie
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For those for whom wheat is a problem a separate small chalice could be available with only the Precious Blood. They do that now in parishes where receiving under both species is not the norm.There are also people who cannot receive the Host (coeliacs) and in the severest cases would not be able to receive at all if there were intinction, because of contamination.
We were actually told in a class on the Mass that Communion by intinction wasn’t allowed in Canada because it removed the communicant’s choice of receiving in the hand.
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Brendan
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A bishop could state a preference that the priests of his diocese not offer Holy Communion in that fashion, but it is a universal norm of the Church and could not be forbidden.We were actually told in a class on the Mass that Communion by intinction wasn’t allowed in Canada because it removed the communicant’s choice of receiving in the hand.
Redemptionis Sacramentum
[103.] The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, “the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon”.[191] As regards the administering of Communion to lay members of Christ’s faithful, the Bishops may exclude Communion with the tube or the spoon where this is not the local custom, though the option of administering Communion by intinction always remains.
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Vic_Taltrees_UK
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Some people mustn’t touch alcohol. The rules quoted state the host alone must be available.
Where I go there is a line to the minister with the hosts and a line to the minister with the chalice which you can skip.
I’ve seen priests take their own communion the dippy way, but that’s just them.
Where I go there is a line to the minister with the hosts and a line to the minister with the chalice which you can skip.
I’ve seen priests take their own communion the dippy way, but that’s just them.
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JRS_88
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Could we use the term intinction instead of “the dippy way”?Some people mustn’t touch alcohol. The rules quoted state the host alone must be available.
Where I go there is a line to the minister with the hosts and a line to the minister with the chalice which you can skip.
I’ve seen priests take their own communion the dippy way, but that’s just them.
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peter26
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The Precious Blood has a portion of the Host placed in it in any case.There are also people who cannot receive the Host (coeliacs) and in the severest cases would not be able to receive at all if there were intinction, because of contamination.
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Phemie
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If you use more than one chalice only one needs to have a portion of the Host put in – just like only one needs to have a few drops of water put in.The Precious Blood has a portion of the Host placed in it in any case.
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Barb3
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Phemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
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Corki
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It’s not forbidden for the priest. What IS forbidden is for the communicant to dip the host him/herself into the wine. The reason it’s forbidden is in the post with the Redemptionis Sacramentum passage.Phemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
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Phemie
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Danger of dripping some of the Precious Blood on the floor is high on the list.Phemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
In all fairness I should say that I’ve been in parishes where intincting the Host ourselves was the only way we were allowed to receive under both species. We didn’t invent it, it was set up that way by the Pastor. Hopefully those Pastors now know better but the practice has persisted and has been exported to other parishes. At least once a year we find ourselves having to make the announcement that the practice is forbidden because new people arrive and EMHCs are again faced with communicants approaching them with the Host ready to intinct.
One EMHC told us about the time she tried to do it in another parish and that EMHC put her hand over the chalice and whispered “You have to drink.” It was the first time she’d become aware that it was not allowed.
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thistle
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Maybe you don’t understand.Phemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
Intinction is the priest dipping the host in the wine and placing it on your tongue. It is permitted for the priest to do that.
Self-intinction is you (the communicant) dipping the host in the wine and placing it in your own mouth. This is FORBIDDEN.
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Brendan
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Redemptionis SacramentumPhemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
More specifically, it is listed as one of the items of Grave Matter[104.] The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html[173.] Although the gravity of a matter is to be judged in accordance with the common teaching of the Church and the norms established by her, objectively to be considered among grave matters is anything that puts at risk the validity and dignity of the Most Holy Eucharist: namely, anything that contravenes what is set out above in nn. 48-52, 56, 76-77, 79, 91-92, 94, 96, 101-102, 104, 106, 109, 111, 115, 117, 126, 131-133, 138, 153 and 168.
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Faith1960
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I wish my parish would practice intinction.Is Communion from the Chalice normally offered at your parish?
Intinction is a way to give Communion under both species. It’s a perfectly legitimate and according to the law but it must always be given by the priest and on the tongue. We are not allowed to receive the Host and then go dip it in the Precious Blood ourselves – something that, against all the rules, became popular in some parishes over the years and which we still sometimes see when we have visitors in our parish.
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rondirect
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My understanding is that the practice of intinction is something that must be approved by the Bishop of your diocese. In our diocese, it is forbidden. And, I agree. There is the possibility of a drop of the Precious Blood to drip from the host before it reaches your tongue based on how much PB is absorbed in the host. For me, I can’t even dunk a cookie in my coffee or tea without one drop of liquid dripping from the “host.”
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rondirect
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Sorry that I did not read your post before posting on just yesterday since I said basically the same thing as your paragraph 1. I obviously agree with you. Our EMs are told to put there hand over the cup if a person is ready to dunk the Body of Christ and say what you mentioned here.Danger of dripping some of the Precious Blood on the floor is high on the list.
In all fairness I should say that I’ve been in parishes where intincting the Host ourselves was the only way we were allowed to receive under both species. We didn’t invent it, it was set up that way by the Pastor. Hopefully those Pastors now know better but the practice has persisted and has been exported to other parishes. At least once a year we find ourselves having to make the announcement that the practice is forbidden because new people arrive and EMHCs are again faced with communicants approaching them with the Host ready to intinct.
One EMHC told us about the time she tried to do it in another parish and that EMHC put her hand over the chalice and whispered “You have to drink.” It was the first time she’d become aware that it was not allowed.
Furthermore, I think we should follow what Christ did for we are “reenacting” what He did at the Last Supper. Jesus did not take bread and dunk it into the wine and pass it around! I don’t think I need to go into what did happen! We should be following Christ’s example.
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Brendan
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Self intinction is forbidden everywhere, no bishop can approve it.My understanding is that the practice of intinction is something that must be approved by the Bishop of your diocese. In our diocese, it is forbidden.
Intinction by the priest is approved everywhere, no bishop can forbid it.
Redemptionis Sacramentum
[103.] The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, “the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon”.[191] As regards the administering of Communion to lay members of Christ’s faithful, the Bishops may exclude Communion with the tube or the spoon where this is not the local custom, though the option of administering Communion by intinction always remains.
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Bruised_Reed
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Your question “why?” has been answered but I thought I would add that you do not need to receive from the cup at communion if it is a risk for you. You are still receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus in the Host.Phemie and Thistle – why would it be forbidden to dip the host in the wine??? I just can’t drink from the chalice because if I get a cold I truly get very sick – I’ve been in my Parish for over 50 years and no one has ever told me this before-- guess I’ll check with my Pastor
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dconklin
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I see this once in a great while at my church. It is a fault in the preparation of the EMHCs - and education of the congregation.Let us repeat this as you don’t seem to understand.
SELF-INTINCTION IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN BY THE CHURCH.
No Bishop or priest can make an exception to this and it is totally irrelevant how many people are at Mass.
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Phemie
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Actually it’s the fault of priests who made it the norm in their parishes and caused the practice to spread. As I said previously, in at least two parishes that I belonged to the only way we were allowed to receive under both species was by self intinction. The Chalice was not offered to us to drink from.I see this once in a great while at my church. It is a fault in the preparation of the EMHCs - and education of the congregation.
I have to mention to Fr. that I’ve seen it happen a few times lately by a few newcomers to the parish. It’s time to make the announcement again.
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Peebo
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But if we are reenacting what Christ did at the last supper…then why is it that if we only eat the host then that is regarded as taking both the body and blood of our LordSorry that I did not read your post before posting on just yesterday since I said basically the same thing as your paragraph 1. I obviously agree with you. Our EMs are told to put there hand over the cup if a person is ready to dunk the Body of Christ and say what you mentioned here.
Furthermore, I think we should follow what Christ did for we are “reenacting” what He did at the Last Supper. Jesus did not take bread and dunk it into the wine and pass it around! I don’t think I need to go into what did happen! We should be following Christ’s example.
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