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reed987
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Is it grave matter for a person to drink alchahol? Underany circumstances?
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kage_ar
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Jesus drank wine.
Alcohol is required for consecration of the Eucharist, to become the Blood of Christ.
Drinking - or anything - in EXCESS is the problem, as the scripture, tradition, the Catechism tells us:
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The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.
Alcohol is required for consecration of the Eucharist, to become the Blood of Christ.
Drinking - or anything - in EXCESS is the problem, as the scripture, tradition, the Catechism tells us:
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jwashu
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No it’s not a sin, see the Ask an Apologist section in regards to the question on smoking, she quotes the CCC.
It IS a grave matter, just as it tells us in the Bible, to drink to excess and loose control of our temple. However alcohol in moderation can actually be good for the body.
Finally Christ drank WINE, not grape juice. He turned water into wine. It may not have been as strong as some of the variates are today but it did contain alcohol nonetheless. It had to in order to be stored in the local climate.
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It IS a grave matter, just as it tells us in the Bible, to drink to excess and loose control of our temple. However alcohol in moderation can actually be good for the body.
Finally Christ drank WINE, not grape juice. He turned water into wine. It may not have been as strong as some of the variates are today but it did contain alcohol nonetheless. It had to in order to be stored in the local climate.
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reed987
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well is being DRUNk a mortal sin period?
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kage_ar
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As quoted above in the Catechism, it is grave.
In order to be a mortal sin, there are three requirements:
Grave Matter
Knowledge
Intent
If you KNOW getting drunk is grave matter and intend to get drunk, then, it meets the criterea for mortal sin.
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MakeUpArtist
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I hope not. lol
I actually have been told by some Evangelicals that it is a sin and Jesus drank unfermented wine. I don’t agree.
I actually have been told by some Evangelicals that it is a sin and Jesus drank unfermented wine. I don’t agree.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Evangelicals have their own way of interpreting things to fit their beliefs. Wine in the bible is not talking about grape juice. The Bible does not say not to drink, it does however warn against drinking in excess:
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RLT
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It is a mortal sin to not drink alcohol.
We owe a great deal of grattitude to the religious orders that were dedicated to the creation, developement and preservation of many fine wines, beers, and spirits in the course of Catholic history…
Seriously, the key word is moderation. Drinking for the sole purpose to get wasted is a very bad idea, physically and spiritually.
We owe a great deal of grattitude to the religious orders that were dedicated to the creation, developement and preservation of many fine wines, beers, and spirits in the course of Catholic history…
Seriously, the key word is moderation. Drinking for the sole purpose to get wasted is a very bad idea, physically and spiritually.
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LilyM
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And to include, as any debate on Catholicism and alcohol invariably must, the obligatory quoting of this wonderful verse on the topic from Hilaire Belloc:
“Wherever a Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so,
Benedicamus Domino!”
“Wherever a Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so,
Benedicamus Domino!”
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puzzleannie
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moderate use of alcohol is not a sin
are their circumstances where drinking could be a sin? of course, when it is a matter of abuse–any drinking by an alcoholic, when he is fully in possession of his free will (the first drink) is a sin, drinking by someone with a medical indication against drinking (some diabetics, taking some medications) could be sinful, enabling minors to buy beer etc., Assuming one had full free will consent when they began a drinking binge, yes getting drunk to the point of losing command of one’s faculties, is a grave sin, because it voluntarily suspends one’s judgement of right and wrong. Drunk driving is a grave sin.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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I sure hope not because there goes my love affair with Sam Adams and Jim Beam.
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Em_in_FL
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Then they aren’t exactly reading the bible…
Go read the Wedding at Cana… if the wine was unfermented, why would the head waiter make this comment… which clearly implies the effects of FERMENTED alcohol…
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Simon_X
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I don’t know where you come up with these Lily, but I appreciate your little gems…
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ironman62292
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Of course drinking alcohol is not a sin. When you drink too much and it begins to effect your judgement then it is sinful. Drink responsibly
po18guy
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To your fine scripture quotations, I can only add, in this year of Saint Paul:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
Christ’s peace.
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reed987
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i still don’t understand. so it is MORTAL sin if a person gets drunk? or is it only mortal sin if they INTENDED to get drunk? and how drunk are we talking here? do you mean (I’m trying to think of a nice word for this, um Poop faced) or just a little past buzzed or everywhere in between?
po18guy
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You must remain in control. Devote conscious thought to the reason that you drink in the first place, the effect you seek. If it goes beyond the easing of social interaction, you have a problem. If you drink alone, it is a problem. If you must drink on a schedule, it is a problem. If it begins to become a lifestyle, it is a problem. I gave up alcohol when I was 20. Have not missed it once. The Blood of Christ is my drink of choice now, and with His DNA in my veins, I shall not fear.
Speak with your parish priest for more clarification, and read the catechism sections that apply.
Christ’s peace.
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sidonius
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If drinking goes against you conscience, by all means don’t drink. Anyway, that leaves more for the rest of us.
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Julianna
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You obviously have never attended a Catholic wedding reception, a Christening party or an Irish Catholic wake. If drinking is a mortal sin…oooh boy are we in trouble.
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estesbob
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No.
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