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ZMystiCat
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Fine, I didn’t want to talk to you anyways!
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I did see a comment about kids in the 60s and even responded, allowing it to be preserved.
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SimonAnoff
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Natsuki, in my CAF? Now THAT’S a shock.
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Darryl_B
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Depends on the color.
If it is purple and you are a grandma …
If it is purple and you are a grandma …
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Shelion
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I had that sort of problem once. I think it was rather soon after conversion, and I didn’t ask anyone about it, just decided (for some time) that it’s probably vanity and gave it up. But it turned out some time later, that seeing as I still knew little about faith and virtue and so on, I stuck too much with some externals. (Not that I ignored internal life) And it gave rise to scruples. Somebody here wrote about it, and I think it is very possible in your case. And it maybe quite dangerous - I read about it in a number of places, including some of the works of Saint Alphonsus di Liguori. With the help from my confessor and some work on my part, I gradually paid less attention to strange details such as that and gradually scruples went away, it wasn’t easy though.
If - as sb else wrote - it is vanity, that would mean you ascribe to your looks and what kind of impression you make on others - too much attention, then, even dying your hair maybe a venial sin, though it’s be rather a weakness or imperfection, in my view. But when it’s just part of how you take care of yourself (you know, clean, fragrant, decent looking etc) and you live in the world, then I don’t see a problem at all.
One more thing related to the subject - I noticed that sometimes looking well (but not extravagant or shocking, indecent etc) is part of … evangelization. There is a line of course. You may be a shabby looking saint and do a better job at drawing people to God every time. But in some cases - with atheists, women especially, mostly young and rebellious - they look at you and think - well these Catholics look like thrash, I don’t want that. In other words, it may repell them that you don’t take care of yourself at all. It’s about not going to extremes.
If - as sb else wrote - it is vanity, that would mean you ascribe to your looks and what kind of impression you make on others - too much attention, then, even dying your hair maybe a venial sin, though it’s be rather a weakness or imperfection, in my view. But when it’s just part of how you take care of yourself (you know, clean, fragrant, decent looking etc) and you live in the world, then I don’t see a problem at all.
One more thing related to the subject - I noticed that sometimes looking well (but not extravagant or shocking, indecent etc) is part of … evangelization. There is a line of course. You may be a shabby looking saint and do a better job at drawing people to God every time. But in some cases - with atheists, women especially, mostly young and rebellious - they look at you and think - well these Catholics look like thrash, I don’t want that. In other words, it may repell them that you don’t take care of yourself at all. It’s about not going to extremes.
Tis_Bearself
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Many of the people I know who dye their hair crazy and wear torn jeans, punk getup etc are now 40 to 60 years old.
I personally am looking forward to retirement. When I don’t have to go to an office any more and my hair is turning gray anyway, I plan to indulge all the weird looking getups I haven’t been able to wear for 30 years because of needing to look “normal” for work.
I know one lady who is in her early 60s and now getting all the tattoos she didn’t get when she was younger for various reasons.
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dochawk
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I couldn’t tell you why those quotes remain when an article is removed–they seem to stay even if the original post triggers a suspension. I suppose if we want to know, we could wander to the help forum, but I"m not that ambitious . .
Gee, when your pension is locked in at the level you need, you could do this anyway
Years ago, my brother was a junior attorney in one of the fancy-shmancy firms.
One morning, a partner found him sitting on the floor of his jeans surrounded by files.
“I’ve heard of casual Friday and casual birthdays, but what is this?”
“This is, ‘I was here until 4AM and don’t care if I get fired.’’”
The partner quietly closed the door and left . . .
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Tis_Bearself
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Why do you assume that hair dyeing is people trying to look younger? Maybe the person just likes how a different color looks?
I’ve had highlights from time to time, I wasn’t doing it to “look younger”.
I’ve had highlights from time to time, I wasn’t doing it to “look younger”.
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BarbTh
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Hi Martha - My tuppence 
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St Therese in her times was a Carmelite nun and so would not be dying or even considering dying her hair. For us in the temporal and secular it is ok to dye our hair and want to look good, presentable to others and in your case, as a wife and perhaps mother too. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Being obsessive about one’s looks is something different again. It is more an absorption and fixation on self to the exclusion of most anything else. And well I can recall going through that stage as a teenager and so happy to have it behind me now at almost 74 years of age.
Imitating St Therese is more about the spirituality and theology by which she lived. She lived by trying to understand her particular vocation as a Carmelite nun and in the context of The Gospel and Scripture. Out in the temporal and secular outside of religious life, it is our task, in imitation of Therese, to discern and try to live out our vocation as Laity and in the context of The Gospel and Scripture, on which The Church is built and proclaims…
Mission and Vocation of The Laity: Christifideles Laici (December 30, 1988) | John Paul II St Pope John Paul II had a lot to say about marriage too in this document.
It is in striving to prayerfully understand our own vocation as a Lay person and striving to live it out, one discovers one’s own unique and very personal call and vocation from God and, in this instance, as a lay person. In that would be my trying anyway to imitate St Therese.
God bless your journey…
…St Therese in her times was a Carmelite nun and so would not be dying or even considering dying her hair. For us in the temporal and secular it is ok to dye our hair and want to look good, presentable to others and in your case, as a wife and perhaps mother too. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Being obsessive about one’s looks is something different again. It is more an absorption and fixation on self to the exclusion of most anything else. And well I can recall going through that stage as a teenager and so happy to have it behind me now at almost 74 years of age.
Imitating St Therese is more about the spirituality and theology by which she lived. She lived by trying to understand her particular vocation as a Carmelite nun and in the context of The Gospel and Scripture. Out in the temporal and secular outside of religious life, it is our task, in imitation of Therese, to discern and try to live out our vocation as Laity and in the context of The Gospel and Scripture, on which The Church is built and proclaims…
Mission and Vocation of The Laity: Christifideles Laici (December 30, 1988) | John Paul II St Pope John Paul II had a lot to say about marriage too in this document.
It is in striving to prayerfully understand our own vocation as a Lay person and striving to live it out, one discovers one’s own unique and very personal call and vocation from God and, in this instance, as a lay person. In that would be my trying anyway to imitate St Therese.
God bless your journey…
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Tis_Bearself
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The fact is that there are many people who dye their hair for a different reason too. Don’t be agist.
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CRV
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you had me puzzled there Tis_Bearself. I had to look it up because I read it as agist = A + gist - pasture for livestock. Whereas obviously you meant it as age+ist = agist. Sorry … think I need sleep …
think I need sleep …Tis_Bearself
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Sorry, my spelling was off early in the morning.
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No need to apologize - it lightened my day - so thankyou! Whilst I realize your intention was not to elicit humour, I did appreciate the chuckle 
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Limoncello4021
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For typical women it was considered sinful in St. Therese’s day to wear makeup, expose ankles or arms, and other such things as well. Fashions and times change. One hallmark of scrupulosity is to be unable to tell the difference between something harmless and a true sin. It is evident a lot on this forum!
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Sarcelle
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Scrupulousness can also cause us to hyperfocus on the small things that may or may not be sin and in the process ignore actions that are mortal sins.
Straining at gnats while swallowing camels come to mind.
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Funny how if one recognizes sin others always assume the individual is being scrupulous and can be dismissed. It makes me wonder if the opposite is perhaps true in some cases - perhaps a conscience has been pricked and is made uncomfortable because they do not wish to examine or change what they think, understand or alter their behavior. Lax consciences are to be corrected.
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I respectfully disagree with this statement. A person who is scrupulous has great difficulty distinguishing between mortal and venial sins, and fears most if not all sins are mortal.
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Sarcelle
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Well there are different types of scrupulous people. Some meet your category while others do just what I described.
One example are the Pharisees who take care to follow the letter of the law even to the tiniest detail all the while oppressing widows and orphans.
God himself lamented about how his people do all the prescribed rituals yet their hearts are far from him.
One example are the Pharisees who take care to follow the letter of the law even to the tiniest detail all the while oppressing widows and orphans.
God himself lamented about how his people do all the prescribed rituals yet their hearts are far from him.
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My comment upthread about the possibility of dyeing hair for some people may be a sin, comes from the occassion of when I asked my parish priest about this. His reply was that it can be. So the only sin that I think this could come under would be vanity.
I have a friend who had the intention of dyeing their hair when grey hairs showed because in their eyes grey hair makes them look old and they don’t consider themselves old and don’t wish to look old.
This to me, is denying reality, in the sense that we subconsciously want to remain youthful (greatly encouraged by secular society) - immortal? maybe, whereas we know we are going to die one day. Or perhaps it is a subconscious effort to hold off the perceived physical ravages of the body that come with old age.
With that said, I too used to streak my hair when younger as it took a long time to accept my hair coloring. I also accept the grey ones
I have a friend who had the intention of dyeing their hair when grey hairs showed because in their eyes grey hair makes them look old and they don’t consider themselves old and don’t wish to look old.
This to me, is denying reality, in the sense that we subconsciously want to remain youthful (greatly encouraged by secular society) - immortal? maybe, whereas we know we are going to die one day. Or perhaps it is a subconscious effort to hold off the perceived physical ravages of the body that come with old age.
With that said, I too used to streak my hair when younger as it took a long time to accept my hair coloring. I also accept the grey ones
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