Is Eating Meat Hedonistic?

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Not necessarily. Many people, to be sure, eat meat because they like the taste, even though they do not like to think of the suffering animals.

Others eat meat because it is convenient, especially in North America. I’m sure there are plenty of people who would choose a vegetarian diet if it was more available, in wider choices, at a comparable cost.
 
redhen said:
Not necessarily. Many people, to be sure, eat meat because they like the taste, even though they do not like to think of the suffering animals.

Others eat meat because it is convenient, especially in North America. I’m sure there are plenty of people who would choose a vegetarian diet if it was more available, in wider choices, at a comparable cost.
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I think this is true it needs be made simple and competable in cost…and of course that can be easily done. We made the move to a vegan diet about three years ago and while it took some time to find all the resources and make the changes:thumbsup:
 
Michaelo said:
Considering the health benefits of a vegetarian diet and meat consumption’s consequences for the poor and our planet (here, here, and here), is choosing to eat meat hedonistic?
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These are some good resourses…and honestly lots of the reasons a vegan diet resonates with my faith…but hedonistic Im not sure I understand the connection. I enjoy making great tasting vegan food and take pleasure in preparing this for others and eating good vegan food.
 
4elise said:
These are some good resourses…and honestly lots of the reasons a vegan diet resonates with my faith…but hedonistic Im not sure I understand the connection. I enjoy making great tasting vegan food and take pleasure in preparing this for others and eating good vegan food.
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Well I first tried to think of the main factors one should consider when choosing a diet:
  1. pleasure derived from the food
  2. health benefits
  3. impact on others and the environment
  4. price (redhen reminded me)
^not in order of significance!

To my knowledge, a vegetarian diet is superior with regards to 2 and 3 (also 1, for me at least :)) and actually maybe 4 (thoughts?) so could the choice to eat meat simply be made out of concern for 1?
 
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Michaelo said:
Well I first tried to think of the main factors one should consider when choosing a diet:
  1. pleasure derived from the food
  2. health benefits
  3. impact on others and the environment
  4. price (redhen reminded me)
^not in order of significance!

To my knowledge, a vegetarian diet is superior with regards to 2 and 3 (also 1, for me at least :)) and actually maybe 4 (thoughts?) so could the choice to eat meat simply be made out of concern for 1?
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Ok now I follow you… This is where I think we find other people find places to disagree… You and I have concluded it is healthier, better for the environment, a more just choice, cheapier, therefore if one were to draw the same conclusions AND continue to eat meat it would indeed be headonistic…however others do not seem to come to the same conclusion you and I have - and argue each of these points.

For some the issue is health and they have been told that they wouldn’t be healthy without meat on their diet, others are farmers who have for generations raised and eaten meat and seem threatened by the discussion - many react with accusations of vegans care more about animals than people - sigh -

So this topic comes back pretty often to providing information and links that some just don’t acknowledge as facts which you and I adept as true. I think it would be fantastic if this thread could avoid some of these pitfalls and we could have a discussion as people if faith.
 
Wow! This is a great thread!!! I have to run–but I’ll be back later to post!
 
4elise said:
For some the issue is health and they have been told that they wouldn’t be healthy without meat on their diet,
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This is the explanation the Dalai Lama gives for his meat eating. However, I’m pretty sure you can get all the vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fat that you need without meat, so this sounds more like an excuse or bad advice (for a Buddhist).
 
redhen said:
This is the explanation the Dalai Lama gives for his meat eating. However, I’m pretty sure you can get all the vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fat that you need without meat, so this sounds more like an excuse or bad advice (for a Buddhist).
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Well… not being a physician, or dietitian, I don’t feel qualified to comment on the Dalai Lama’s diet - or really anyone else who on the advice of a doctor eats meat -

I do agree with you however that it is possible to get all the vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fat needed without meat - I do it, many others do it, and it does take some education, some mindfulness — but I believe can be done. Now this opens the discussion to those who just disagree on this - however protein is protein - and if one can eat beans, that is a super easy healthy source.
 
The day that my predator’s eyes migrate to the sides of my head(like most prey and “vegan” animals) I’ll consider becoming a vegetarian,until that unlikely day I will happily remain omniverous.

Christ was NOT a vegetarian.
 
Soutane said:
The day that my predator’s eyes migrate to the sides of my head(like most prey and “vegan” animals) I’ll consider becoming a vegetarian,until that unlikely day I will happily remain omniverous.

Christ was NOT a vegetarian.
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Christ also did not drive a car, ride in a plane, wear clothes with zippers, use computers, shop at big box stores, post on forums…

We are called to be people of OUR time - our time is not as things were 2000 years ago -

TODAY in the developed world we can make a choice (like we do every day with everything we purchase) that reflects our understanding of our place as created in God’s image - to walk in justice and act faithfully.
 
Soutane said:
The day that my predator’s eyes migrate to the sides of my head(like most prey and “vegan” animals) I’ll consider becoming a vegetarian,until that unlikely day I will happily remain omniverous.

Christ was NOT a vegetarian.
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You might want to take a few refresher courses in zoology. What you are referring to is called binocular vision. Primates and other frugivores have binocular vision to help grasp tree branches and pick fruit. Look up a photo of a FRUIT BAT. What a wonderfully interesting creature!! Notice the forward-facing eyes. (They are fruit eaters.) Also look up KILLER WHALES. Where are their eyes??? You also might want to do some in-depth research on the structure of eyes. There are a lot of particulars that are specific to each species of animal. Look into your cats eyes–very different than yours–designed for a different purpose. Cats don’t swing from trees or pick fruit. Their eyes are designed to hunt in low-light conditions. Also look up info on BIRDS OF PREY. You will be astounded on the superiority of their vision over yours!!! ALSO look up STEREOPSIS. Compared to predators, humans don’t have such hot eyes!!! They may look nice in a pair of glasses, but they are quite inferior to our hunting brothers!!!

Now back to the discussion at hand.
 
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