Is Ecclesiastical Latin Gods language?

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I do not think so at all. First, there are those who write in Latin but are not Catholic, as I mentioned. Second, are there any Latin dictionaries with an imprimatur? If so, then that does not mean the Pope himself approves it, but rather the Vatican more broadly. If not, then that answers the question in a different way.
I think you’re on the right track. New Latin words in the anatomical field, for example, would not need Vatican approval, whereas any term that pertains to Catholic theology (transubstantialem et al) would require it. Of course, everyone will be jumping up and down and wanting it in their vernacular but the bishops would need to deal with that.
 
Realistically though, I don’t think just anyone could create a new word in Latin, because its been a dead language for some time now, so if a scientist were to create a new word, it would be obvious that that word was not an original one, so it’s use would only pertain to the field of science and wouldn’t be considered Classical Latin. It would be specific to the field of science which would be more like a dialect.

Likewise, if the Church created a new word it wouldn’t be considered Latin, it would be Ecclesiastical Latin… Which is the Church’s dialect.

…but the point still stands that Latin is non-cultural, and non-national… So whatever new dialects develop out of it would not be the same as the Classical dialect that is taught in general studies. Just my opinion.
 
I’m not sure that I’m yet willing to completely consider Latin to be a “dead” language. It may not be in widespread use but it is in use. Perhaps moribund would be a better term.
 
Realistically though, I don’t think just anyone could create a new word in Latin, because its been a dead language for some time now, so if a scientist were to create a new word, it would be obvious that that word was not an original one, so it’s use would only pertain to the field of science and wouldn’t be considered Classical Latin. It would be specific to the field of science which would be more like a dialect.

Likewise, if the Church created a new word it wouldn’t be considered Latin, it would be Ecclesiastical Latin… Which is the Church’s dialect.

…but the point still stands that Latin is non-cultural, and non-national… So whatever new dialects develop out of it would not be the same as the Classical dialect that is taught in general studies. Just my opinion.
Maybe not so much the vocabulary but the meanings.

Take, for example OraLabora’s moniker. Ora in the classical sense would mean “speak,” but in the ecclesiastical sense, “pray.”
 
OraLabora: A language is considered dead once it no longer has any native speakers. By this definition, Latin is dead… It does not mean that nobody speaks it, period, only that its use is restricted to liturgical, academic, or literary use, rather than being an everyday spoken language. All liturgical languages are dead languages, since nobody is a native speaker of Slavonic, Coptic, Syriac, Classical Armenian, Latin, Ge’ez, etc.

This is not to be confused with extinct languages, which are not even used ceremonially anymore, or moribund languages, which still have native speakers but are in the process of being lost because they aren’t being passed on to children as first languages, and/or are only being used in certain domains (e.g., only at home, while in wider society everyone uses another language), or are only used/remembered by elderly, etc.
 
OraLabora: A language is considered dead once it no longer has any native speakers. By this definition, Latin is dead… It does not mean that nobody speaks it, period, only that its use is restricted to liturgical, academic, or literary use, rather than being an everyday spoken language.
There are some schools that teach only in Latin!
 
I don’t doubt that, Baelor, but that doesn’t mean Latin isn’t dead:
OraLabora: A language is considered dead once it no longer has any native speakers. By this definition, Latin is dead… It does not mean that nobody speaks it, period, only that its use is restricted to liturgical, academic, or literary use, rather than being an everyday spoken language.
 
I don’t doubt that, Baelor, but that doesn’t mean Latin isn’t dead:
That is beyond academic use, though – academic use would be publishing papers in Latin. These students speak Latin to each other instead of their native tongues.
 
I don’t want to re-quote my own post again, but the actual use of the term “dead language” is as I’ve put it. There are no more native speakers of Latin, so it’s dead.
 
So every Orthodox priest or clergy member can and must be able to speak in Greek?
We were talking about the Church councils in the First Millennium. Probably most who are present would understand Greek. Its not far off that there would be some who would need translators. But Greek was the common language back then so most people would be communicating in Greek.

But today, do you think when the Catholic Bishops get together they speak in Latin to one another?
 
OraLabora: A language is considered dead once it no longer has any native speakers. By this definition, Latin is dead… It does not mean that nobody speaks it, period, only that its use is restricted to liturgical, academic, or literary use, rather than being an everyday spoken language. All liturgical languages are dead languages, since nobody is a native speaker of Slavonic, Coptic, Syriac, Classical Armenian, Latin, Ge’ez, etc.
And let’s not forget Koine Greek. 🙂

While Slavonic was, of course, recognizable, at least, (in a pan-Slavic sort of way), IIRC it never had such a thing as a “native speaker” since it was essentially an artificially created literary language that was only based on (what is basically now called) Bulgarian.

As for Syriac, admittedly, the forms used liturgically are essentially “dead” but I cannot and will not say the same for the language itself which does survive, albeit in various dialects that have been influenced (in some cases very severely so) by other tongues. (Similar in its way to Koine vs Modern Greek.)
This is not to be confused with extinct languages, which are not even used ceremonially anymore, or moribund languages, which still have native speakers but are in the process of being lost because they aren’t being passed on to children as first languages, and/or are only being used in certain domains (e.g., only at home, while in wider society everyone uses another language), or are only used/remembered by elderly, etc.
One example that comes to mind is the nearly extinct Cypriot Maronite dialect. 😉
 
We were talking about the Church councils in the First Millennium. Probably most who are present would understand Greek. Its not far off that there would be some who would need translators. But Greek was the common language back then so most people would be communicating in Greek.

But today, do you think when the Catholic Bishops get together they speak in Latin to one another?
No, the Bishops don’t communicate with each other using Latin, but when interpreting texts, Latin is the go-to language for accuracy, that way a German Bishop, or a Vietnamese Bishop can both understand the exact same concept. Greek wouldn’t be used because it has and will continue to evolve as time goes on. I don’t even know if it could be considered the same language that was 2000 years ago.

But Latin will always remain the same, because it’s classical form has been preserved in time… No slang, or variation is likely to change that, because there’s not enough people using it fluently to create change -or if it could change, it would take a million times longer than Greek.

When new words are added to Latin, they are meant to clarify, like The following quote that distinguishes a split between two meanings that were formerly spoken using one word.
Take, for example OraLabora’s moniker. Ora in the classical sense would mean “speak,” but in the ecclesiastical sense, “pray.”
 
Wait a second… :confused: that last part didn’t make any sense…

I think there should have been a completely new word created for that, instead of just changing the meaning. This is not good. 😦
 
Maybe not so much the vocabulary but the meanings.

Take, for example OraLabora’s moniker. Ora in the classical sense would mean “speak,” but in the ecclesiastical sense, “pray.”
Oh, I get it now. That’s a little problematic I think, because it confuses the definition entirely. What if the word “Ora” was used a long time ago in our doctrines, but was meant to mean “speak”…? In this case, we have just confused the meaning of a word. Here we run the risk of altering history, or “Truth” rather.
 
And let’s not forget Koine Greek. 🙂
Yes.
While Slavonic was, of course, recognizable, at least, (in a pan-Slavic sort of way), IIRC it never had such a thing as a “native speaker” since it was essentially an artificially created literary language that was only based on (what is basically now called) Bulgarian.
Yes, Slavonic was probably not the best example for this point, as it is a bit more complicated than the others. There are many complicated and boring reasons for giving Slavonic as an example here (similar to the reasons why historical linguists often throw everything old that isn’t Qur’anic Arabic into a “Classical” wastebasket category, even though they probably know that’s not right), but you are right that it is the one from that list of examples which would have never had native speakers to begin with. Так простите мне люди; я дурака. :o
As for Syriac, admittedly, the forms used liturgically are essentially “dead” but I cannot and will not say the same for the language itself which does survive, albeit in various dialects that have been influenced (in some cases very severely so) by other tongues. (Similar in its way to Koine vs Modern Greek.)
Woah, hold on there, ܐܰܚܳܐ…we’re talking about different things here. The modern languages, yes, of course they’re alive (though quite endangered at this point; the reality of life in the diaspora does not bode well for their long-term survival). Syriac is not alive, however.
One example that comes to mind is the nearly extinct Cypriot Maronite dialect. 😉
Yes, and perhaps paradoxically, it seems to have improved a little bit as of late. When Tsiapera did her 1969 study, she listed the speakers as 1200 in Kormakiti (the other Maronites of Cyprus speak only Greek) and declining. Yet Borg, in his 1985 book on the dialect, bases his analysis on interviews and elicitations from CMA speakers in Nicosia (who hail from Kormakiti). He puts their numbers at 1300. That a population would grow by 100 in 16 years is not at all surprising or interesting. The implication that those 100 would grow up speaking the language or having it otherwise passed on to them is, though. If I remember correctly (I don’t have access to either book right now), the average age of the community is somewhere in the late 50s…
 
Yes.

Yes, Slavonic was probably not the best example for this point, as it is a bit more complicated than the others. There are many complicated and boring reasons for giving Slavonic as an example here (similar to the reasons why historical linguists often throw everything old that isn’t Qur’anic Arabic into a “Classical” wastebasket category, even though they probably know that’s not right), but you are right that it is the one from that list of examples which would have never had native speakers to begin with. Так простите мне люди; я дурака. :o

Woah, hold on there, ܐܰܚܳܐ…we’re talking about different things here. The modern languages, yes, of course they’re alive (though quite endangered at this point; the reality of life in the diaspora does not bode well for their long-term survival). Syriac is not alive, however.

Yes, and perhaps paradoxically, it seems to have improved a little bit as of late. When Tsiapera did her 1969 study, she listed the speakers as 1200 in Kormakiti (the other Maronites of Cyprus speak only Greek) and declining. Yet Borg, in his 1985 book on the dialect, bases his analysis on interviews and elicitations from CMA speakers in Nicosia (who hail from Kormakiti). He puts their numbers at 1300. That a population would grow by 100 in 16 years is not at all surprising or interesting. The implication that those 100 would grow up speaking the language or having it otherwise passed on to them is, though. If I remember correctly (I don’t have access to either book right now), the average age of the community is somewhere in the late 50s…
Have you heard of the Liturgical language “Avestan”…? I heard the language could have possibly stemmed from the Yaz culture which originated in present day Afghanistan, but the Avestan language, none the less, found its way into the Achaemenid Empire As the official Liturgical language of the Zoroastrian religion -the State religion of the Persian Empire.

(a fascinating religion by the way)
 
Interesting enough, Avestan turns out to have been a “dead” language when it was put into use by the religion of Zoroastrianism, similar to the Church’s use of Latin. The Persians, who held the doctrines of that faith, quarreled with both the Greeks and the Romans fiercely. This was before Islam was even a twinkle in Mohammed’s eye. 😉
 
Oh, I get it now. That’s a little problematic I think, because it confuses the definition entirely. What if the word “Ora” was used a long time ago in our doctrines, but was meant to mean “speak”…? In this case, we have just confused the meaning of a word. Here we run the risk of altering history, or “Truth” rather.
Who used it determined its meaning for the most part. True of English as well. An American defines a billion, for example, diffferently than a Brit. A Canadian gallon is different than an American gallon. Holiday means different things. And so on. The markets take this into account.
 
Have you heard of the Liturgical language “Avestan”…? I heard the language could have possibly stemmed from the Yaz culture which originated in present day Afghanistan, but the Avestan language, none the less, found its way into the Achaemenid Empire As the official Liturgical language of the Zoroastrian religion -the State religion of the Persian Empire.

(a fascinating religion by the way)
Yes, I have heard of it, but I don’t know much about it beyond it being the liturgical language of the Zoroastrian religion. One thing that might be interesting to people here is that the script it is descendant from, the Pahlavi, is found on ancient crosses of the St. Thomas Christians (Nasrani) in India:

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The highlighted script in the above image is the Pahlavi script as it was used for Middle Persian of the Sassanian (Sassanid) Empire, AD 224-261.

You can read more about these very unique crosses here.
 
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