Is Ecclesiastical Latin Gods language?

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How can one feel a closeness to a language that is not their native tongue.
They like the sound of it, the vocabulary, the grammar, what have you. There are many reasons.
This feeling of holiness or closeness is what I’m trying to understand here. I tried to get into that mindset to experience this for myself, and I tried to create reasoning for it such as it being “Gods language”, but that wasn’t it.
Latin has associations, and the Latin Mass has particular associations. Whether they should exist is a separate issue. Many Catholics feel a connection with their Catholic forebears when they attend Mass in Latin.
 
How can one feel a closeness to a language that is not their native tongue. This feeling of holiness or closeness is what I’m trying to understand here. I tried to get into that mindset to experience this for myself, and I tried to create reasoning for it such as it being “Gods language”, but that wasn’t it.

So is it the “oldness” of these languages that draw people to it for some reason? I’d like to explore what and why this is.
Some people like Latin Mass, some people can’t stand it. There is no “universal language” that everyone loves or understands.

As to why people are drawn to Mass in Latin, Greek, Aramaic… it’s not the “age” of the language (though that is rather neat), it’s because it makes them feel a closeness with a tradition that they associate with. It’s the same reason why entering a Gothic cathedral makes a person feel a certain way and gain a certain closeness to God. It’s not that Gothic architecture is particularly holy in and of itself, it’s that it represents an aesthetic western European tradition and connects us to past Latin rite Catholics.

I could say the same thing about Greek liturgy and Byzantine architecture, and so on and so forth down the line of languages, peoples, traditions, and art forms. One is not inherently more holy than the other. We shouldn’t make such claims about Latin simply because most Catholics follow the Latin Rite. Not only does that marginalize our Eastern Catholic brothers, who are indeed just as Catholic as you and I, but it also shuts us off from a myriad of beautiful traditions that make our church truly catholic, truly universal. Broaden your perspective away from a single language, attend an Eastern Catholic liturgy, and I think you will realize that there is nothing exceptional about the Latin language. It’s made special by its place in the hearts of Catholics, not because it was selected by God… and there are other languages that are made equally special to different people. For some people, that may be modern vernacular. For others, it may be a language more ancient than Latin, or the language of Christ Himself.
 
Ecclesiastical Latin, unlike Classical, vulgar, Midievil, and Rennaisance Latin is the only form of Latin that has never “died”… It hasn’t because it’s the language that all Catholic Liturgies and Dogmas are written in. So in a way, it’s the only language that is guaranteed by God to never die -because the Church will live forever.

But What exactly is language to begin with? It seems to me, that words are reshaped first into accents, and then over the years become so far removed that a whole new dialect is born. It’s born through people who have seperated either through common ideals or through race segregation.

So I’m curious about the significance of the Catholic Latin Mass which uses a dialect of Latin spoken exclusively by Gods Holy Church, and has never been a national language. So if it’s not a national language then it can only be a religious language… So is it Gods language?

Also, is it possible that language may influence action? In other words, if a language was formed and shaped by a particular race, say French for example -if I were to learn French, is it possible that I would “act” more French? Likewise, if I were to learn Latin, would I act more “Catholic-ish”…?
I don’t think that God has “a language”, but the Church does. You see there are 6,000 languages spoken in the world today. So, if we (the Church) did not have our own language,we would have to translate every memo, every encyclical every motu proprio, into 6 THOUSAND different languages. .
 
Some people like Latin Mass, some people can’t stand it. There is no “universal language” that everyone loves or understands.

As to why people are drawn to Mass in Latin, Greek, Aramaic… it’s not the “age” of the language (though that is rather neat), it’s because it makes them feel a closeness with a tradition that they associate with. It’s the same reason why entering a Gothic cathedral makes a person feel a certain way and gain a certain closeness to God. It’s not that Gothic architecture is particularly holy in and of itself, it’s that it represents an aesthetic western European tradition and connects us to past Latin rite Catholics.

I could say the same thing about Greek liturgy and Byzantine architecture, and so on and so forth down the line of languages, peoples, traditions, and art forms. One is not inherently more holy than the other. We shouldn’t make such claims about Latin simply because most Catholics follow the Latin Rite. Not only does that marginalize our Eastern Catholic brothers, who are indeed just as Catholic as you and I, but it also shuts us off from a myriad of beautiful traditions that make our church truly catholic, truly universal. Broaden your perspective away from a single language, attend an Eastern Catholic liturgy, and I think you will realize that there is nothing exceptional about the Latin language. It’s made special by its place in the hearts of Catholics, not because it was selected by God… and there are other languages that are made equally special to different people. For some people, that may be modern vernacular. For others, it may be a language more ancient than Latin, or the language of Christ Himself.
Aah, so when someone walks into a Gothic cathedral, They feel a kind of connection with the Catholics of the past -so similarly when Catholics attend a Latin Mass, they are connecting in a way with other Catholics of the past. So it’s like fellowship with the dead… In a way. This could possibly even provoke the thought that one day we will be dead, just the same, and hopefully with God and His Church that is in heaven.
 
Aah, so when someone walks into a Gothic cathedral, They feel a kind of connection with the Catholics of the past -so similarly when Catholics attend a Latin Mass, they are connecting in a way with other Catholics of the past. So it’s like fellowship with the dead… In a way. This could possibly even provoke the thought that one day we will be dead, just the same, and hopefully with God and His Church that is in heaven.
That’s a perfectly valid way of looking at it, and can be equally applied to any rite’s traditions, language, and architectural style. It’s truly a beautiful thing.
 
Latin has associations, and the Latin Mass has particular associations. Whether they should exist is a separate issue. Many Catholics feel a connection with their Catholic forebears when they attend Mass in Latin.
Surely most Latin Rite Catholics are not of Italian descent, so that’s not one of the main associations although it could be for some.

So maybe you could go further in explaining “Catholic Forebears”. I think it could be helpful.
 
That’s a perfectly valid way of looking at it, and can be equally applied to any rite’s traditions, language, and architectural style. It’s truly a beautiful thing.
I agree. I’ve never thought of this before, but I think it’s good. I think now my picture of the Sedlec Ossuary makes more sense than ever…:eek:. :D.
 
How can one feel a closeness to a language that is not their native tongue. This feeling of holiness or closeness is what I’m trying to understand here. I tried to get into that mindset to experience this for myself, and I tried to create reasoning for it such as it being “Gods language”, but that wasn’t it.

So is it the “oldness” of these languages that draw people to it for some reason? I’d like to explore what and why this is.
Going by my own personal experience, people revere it so because the Latin Mass provides a deeply solemn, ancient, edifying and sublime experience in relation to the great mystery of the Eucharist and exhibits a deeply, culturally-satisfying mystical experience that taps into the Western soul in a way that is not entirely explainable or dissect-able. The lay participants know and understand everything happening even if they do not know Latin, and the mystique in the reverence of the Latin is very fulfilling in its edification of the importance of what’s happening right then and there on the altar. So in a way it is indeed it’s “oldness” that draws people, but not for the shallow reason of an appeal to antiquity, which doesn’t apply to Christ’s Church. It is because it is part of the Western patrimony and succinctly uplifts the Western soul with its ancient, transcendental beauty that perfectly punctuates the truly astonishing and wondrous occurrence upon the altar and the Cross.

It is not “God’s language,” for God did not ordain a worldly language as “His,” but His Church happened to to appropriate Greek and Latin as its original dominant operating languages, and every language appropriated by the Church taps into the hearts of the flocks that apply because those languages, as used by the Church, impart a grand and splendorous experience of the Mystery of the Eucharist because of the cultural roots of each group in the Church, be it Latin for the West, Greek for the Mediterranian, Slovanic for Russia, Arabic for the Levant, etc.
 
Going by my own personal experience, people revere it so because the Latin Mass provides a deeply solemn, ancient, edifying and sublime experience in relation to the great mystery of the Eucharist
Not always nearly so ancient as we often imagine. For one, the music of the Tridentine Mass has changed considerably from the 1500s to today.

By the 17th century the chant had become greatly adulterated and unrecognizable as Gregorian chant. What we hear as Gregorian chant today is really a late 19th century interpretation of what researchers think true Gregorian chant may have sounded like. Nobody really knows for sure.

Not to take away from its beauty but the Gregorian chant of the 20th Century really is a 20th Century interpretation of ancient manuscripts (and it’s still constantly changing). The basic music for the Mass as we know it today was essentially set in the Vatican Edition of the Roman Gradual (1908). For the Office, major changes happened in 1910. In the late 1800s there were two major schools of interpretation of chant, with considerable differences. Also many new chants were developed (thus not true Gregorian chant), for example, for the feast of Christ the King.

That’s a mere 104 years ago. In terms of a 2000-year old Church, hardly “ancient”.

What people experience as the Tridentine Mass today isn’t so much an unchanging ancient experience as a snapshot in time (mid-20th century).

Musically, some of the more recent (read: post-Vatican II) interpretation of chant may in fact be more authentic and ancient than was was sung in the '50s. The research is ongoing.

Of course I’m not talking about the structure of the Mass nor its wording, just the music when Gregorian chant is used (notwithstanding the addition of new collects whenever the calendar of Saints would be altered or new feasts like Christ the King introduced).
 
Musically, some of the more recent (read: post-Vatican II) interpretation of chant may in fact be more authentic and ancient than was was sung in the '50s. The research is ongoing.
You bring up some interesting points. But IMO we have to be careful we don’t return to paganism altogether. As I’ve pointed out, Latin and Greek at one time also served a pagan purpose and from what I understand early liturgies were styled in that fashion, but I could be wrong. What we do know, however, is that Latin, Greek, and Hebrew identify the crucified and resurrected Christ which we follow; the Church has made its mission to preserve these languages (Latin in the form of Ecclesiastical Latin) so we don’t lose track of that. However, you can also make a case that Old Church Slavonic or Aramaic belong to the Church as well. I won’t go as far as calling any one of them “God’s” languages because I don’t think God selects anything. But we are the ones who make use of His creation. All my opinion, of course.
 
You bring up some interesting points. But IMO we have to be careful we don’t return to paganism altogether. As I’ve pointed out, Latin and Greek at one time also served a pagan purpose and from what I understand early liturgies were styled in that fashion, but I could be wrong. What we do know, however, is that Latin, Greek, and Hebrew identify the crucified and resurrected Christ which we follow; the Church has made its mission to preserve these languages (Latin in the form of Ecclesiastical Latin) so we don’t lose track of that. However, you can also make a case that Old Church Slavonic or Aramaic belong to the Church as well. I won’t go as far as calling any one of them “God’s” languages because I don’t think God selects anything. But we are the ones who make use of His creation. All my opinion, of course.
All languages have served pagan purposes. Latin was the language of Nero as well as the Church. I’m pretty sure one could be pretty crude in Latin, in the day.

I think of Latin as a Church language in sort of the same way I think of French as (well, it used to be anyway) diplomatic language. French can be pretty crude but also sophisticated enough to use in diplomacy. A language is a means of communication, and can be tainted (or elevated) by the local culture.

Note I have great respect for the liturgies in Latin in fact as a matter of personal preference I prefer them in Latin. But I also understand the need for the vernacular as well.
 
Note I have great respect for the liturgies in Latin in fact as a matter of personal preference I prefer them in Latin. But I also understand the need for the vernacular as well.
As do I, but I think I’d stick with Veterum Sapientia for at least the unchanging parts of the Mass.
 
That’s a perfectly valid way of looking at it, and can be equally applied to any rite’s traditions, language, and architectural style. It’s truly a beautiful thing.
I think you are referring to the “Communion of the saints”.
  1. The Church militant. The people who are going through the journey of life trying to get into heaven Working as best they can to preserve the Church of Christ.
  2. The Church Suffering- Those in Purgatory
  3. The Church Triumphant- Those who have already made it into Heaven
We, as Catholics are part of the Communion of saints & I “Feel” more like part of the Communion of Saints when I"m praying the TLM.especially during the canon of the Mass.

“To us sinners,also Thy servants, hoping in the multitude of Thy mercies, vouchsafe to grant some part & fellowship with Thy holy Apostles & Martyrs: with John, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius,Etc.etc.”

I, also “feel” closer to Christ & those saints in heaven when the Church I’m worshiping in a Church is majestic. I know that our faith is not based on “feelings”, but God did create us to appreciate beauty, music & other things of an emotional nature.
 
If Latin is “God’s language”…He was quite mute for millenia prior to Latin being a recognized language.
 
Question: Is Ecclesiastical Latin Gods language?
Answer: It sure is
 
An old man walks into the University Offices and says “I’d like to enrol for a Latin course.” The Dean looks at him and asks rather coyly, “How old are you, Sir?” “Ninety-three” is the reply. “Then why do you want to learn Latin, at your time in life?” “Well” the man explains “I realize I haven’t got long for this world, but if I go to Heaven I’d like to be able to speak to God and the Angels in their own language, and I’d feel more comfortable if I knew some Latin.” The Dean thinks, and then asks “But what if you don’t go to Heaven but go to — you know — the other place?” “That’s all right, I can already speak American.”
 
An old man walks into the University Offices and says “I’d like to enrol for a Latin course.” The Dean looks at him and asks rather coyly, “How old are you, Sir?” “Ninety-three” is the reply. “Then why do you want to learn Latin, at your time in life?” “Well” the man explains “I realize I haven’t got long for this world, but if I go to Heaven I’d like to be able to speak to God and the Angels in their own language, and I’d feel more comfortable if I knew some Latin.” The Dean thinks, and then asks “But what if you don’t go to Heaven but go to — you know — the other place?” “That’s all right, I can already speak American.”
Rubbish x2. Please stop trolling the threads on this forum. Please read the forum rules before posting.
 
An old man walks into the University Offices and says “I’d like to enrol for a Latin course.” The Dean looks at him and asks rather coyly, “How old are you, Sir?” “Ninety-three” is the reply. “Then why do you want to learn Latin, at your time in life?” “Well” the man explains “I realize I haven’t got long for this world, but if I go to Heaven I’d like to be able to speak to God and the Angels in their own language, and I’d feel more comfortable if I knew some Latin.” The Dean thinks, and then asks “But what if you don’t go to Heaven but go to — you know — the other place?” “That’s all right, I can already speak American.”
Rubbish x2. Please stop trolling the threads on this forum. Please read the forum rules before posting.
It was a funny joke though 😊
 
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