Is evolution a fact?

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It seems to me the height of arrogance for those who claim to be believers to dictate to God how He should do His business.

To whom is the directed?
 
How did inanimate being move to animated being?

Have we observed this movement?
 
It seems to me the height of arrogance for those who claim to be believers to dictate to God how He should do His business.

Where was this assertion made?
 
Titus said:
Your position is unclear to me from this post?
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It’s quite simple. God created all. He did it through a process we are only now coming to understand – a process from which more complex forms emerged from earlier, simpler forms.

The Church does not reject evolution. It holds that the soul did not evolve (something science cannot determine) and that we came from two parents (something that science seems to confirm.)

For us to say God could not use evolution is hubris.
 
The Church does not reject evolution. It holds that the soul did not evolve (something science cannot determine) and that we came from two parents (something that science seems to confirm.)

Where does the Official Church accept and teach evolution?
 
For us to say God could not use evolution is hubris.

Who says this?
 
Seamus_Sully said:
It seems to me the height of arrogance for those who claim to be believers to dictate to God how He should do His business.

To whom is the directed?
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To those who would deny that He could use evolution to create man, of course!
 
Seamus_Sully said:
The Church does not reject evolution. It holds that the soul did not evolve (something science cannot determine) and that we came from two parents (something that science seems to confirm.)

Where does the Official Church accept and teach evolution?
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Go here: newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

Truth Cannot Contradict Truth
Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (October 22, 1996)
Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of “evolutionism” a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. [Aujourdhui, près dun demi-siècle après la parution de l’encyclique, de nouvelles connaissances conduisent à reconnaitre dans la théorie de l’évolution plus qu’une hypothèse.] It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
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(My emphasis)
 
This is not an official statement.

Nor does it say it is a fact!

This address is a speech.

It is not an official teaching!
 
When science does evolution, it rejects GOD.

God is not allowed in the equations.

Evolution is not a fact.
 
vern_humphrey said:
It’s quite simple. God created all. He did it through a process we are only now coming to understand – a process from which more complex forms emerged from earlier, simpler forms.

The Church does not reject evolution. It holds that the soul did not evolve (something science cannot determine) and that we came from two parents (something that science seems to confirm.)

For us to say God could not use evolution is hubris.
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Very well said.

(I’m trying to follow this thread and, to be honest, it seems a little circular.)
 
a_priori said:
Very well said.

(I’m trying to follow this thread and, to be honest, it seems a little circular.)
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What some people posting on this echo fail to understand is that when one plays the fool by saying things like, “When science does evolution, it rejects GOD,” one runs the very grave risk that those who read such a statement will conclude that one isn’t just playing.😉
 
I am not playing!!!

I have asked lots of questions.

Please address the questions.

That is what I was taught to do in science classes–ask questions, gather data, evaluate the data, and draw conclusions. Publish the results.

Where is the data for me to evaluate?

Have you ever seen inanimate being move to animate being on its own?

Does science know what came first is the chain of life?

Concerning the origin of being: Does science allow God in the discussion?

Concerning evolution: Does science allow God in the discussion?

The limits set by science exclude GOD, does it not?

I am not talking about their personal life.

I am talking about their academic endeavors.

I know that scientists go to synagogue, mosque, temple and church.

Will science address God as the creator in the scientific and academic world?

Can one talk about God and evolution in the scientific world?

When scientists put forth their opinions on the origins of the universe, are they allowed to bring God into the theory?

Can you show me the theories published by scientists for the scientific communities that allow God in their discussion?

When science talks about evolution with fellow scientists, GOD IS NOT ALLOWED!

GOD IS REJECTED.

Religion is rejected by science!!

Science rejects religion.

Religion makes great use of science.
 
I am not playing!!!

I have asked lots of questions.

That is what I was taught to do in science classes–ask questions, gather data, evaluate the data, and draw conclusions. Publish the results.

Have you ever seen inanimate being move to animate being on its own?

Do you know what came first in the chain of life?

Do you believe what came first in the chain of life?

Concerning the origin of being: Does science allow God in the discussion?

Concerning evolution: Does science allow God in the discussion?

The limits set by science exclude GOD, does it not?

I am not talking about their personal life.

I am talking about their academic endeavors.

I know that scientists go to synagogue, mosque, temple and church.

Will science address God as the creator in the scientific and academic worlds?

Can one talk about God and evolution in the scientific world?

When scientists put forth their opinions on the origins of the universe, are they allowed to bring God into the theory?

Can you show me the theories published by scientists for the scientific communities that allow God in their discussions?

When science talks about evolution with fellow scientists, GOD IS NOT ALLOWED!

GOD IS REJECTED.

Religion is rejected by science!!

Science rejects religion.

Could scientists change the limits?
 
Seamus_Sully said:
I am not playing!!!

I have asked lots of questions.

That is what I was taught to do in science classes–ask questions, gather data, evaluate the data, and draw conclusions. Publish the results.

Have you ever seen inanimate being move to animate being on its own?

Do you know what came first in the chain of life?

Do you believe what came first in the chain of life?

Concerning the origin of being: Does science allow God in the discussion?

Concerning evolution: Does science allow God in the discussion?

The limits set by science exclude GOD, does it not?

I am not talking about their personal life.

I am talking about their academic endeavors.

I know that scientists go to synagogue, mosque, temple and church.

Will science address God as the creator in the scientific and academic worlds?

Can one talk about God and evolution in the scientific world?

When scientists put forth their opinions on the origins of the universe, are they allowed to bring God into the theory?

Can you show me the theories published by scientists for the scientific communities that allow God in their discussions?

When science talks about evolution with fellow scientists, GOD IS NOT ALLOWED!

GOD IS REJECTED.

Religion is rejected by science!!

Science rejects religion.

Could scientists change the limits?
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Since you insist, I will agree that you are not playing the fool.😃

Frankly, your questions are reflections of your declarative statements – they indicate a bias against learning anything in this area. And, since I assume you are past the age for leaving school, I simply have no obligation to educate one who will not be educated.
 
Isn’t it remarkable that science doesn’t discuss God? Because there is no scientific proof for his existence. That doesn’t mean they don’t believe in him, but they can’t discuss things based on the 5 Proofs or a visionary experience. Sorry.
 
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