Is fiscal conservatism not Christian?

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Some maintain that impact of the Great Society programs was due in part to the American public not being uniformly committed to helping the poor. These people believe that Johnson’s view of the United States as one national community with a shared consensus on how to end poverty was mistaken. Congressional support for the Great Society was never very strong, and it lessened considerably as soon as Great Society programs became controversial.

Have we learned anything about what actually works to reduce poverty? No, we need to think outside the box. The European Social Democracies have done a better job with all our problems: teen pregnancies, drugs, alchohol, poverty and crime. Poverty is the mother and father of crime. Why not look at success and not be beligerant. I lived in Sweden and it is the Japan of Europe. All the machinery is new, there is no or very little poverty and the problems mentioned above. The wheather is a problem, but they even work around that.

A national health care system is a start. Our health care is third world status at this point. Humans have a right to health, not just people with money. They are the ones who are holding back with the slogan of no new taxes to stop anyone from thinking outside the box. The same people who argue against big government were in charge of Katrina relief, which became corporate handouts again.

The war in Iraq is causing big government spending, but you don’t hear people saying reduce that except non conservatives, which I would say is the Christian thing to do.

The big oil companies were restricted from doing business in Iraq before the war, now they are negotiating contracts. Was it a corporate war handout since they are benefiting while brave Americans are sacrificing. We should all pay more taxes for this war if we believe what we are fighting for is worth it then maybe our men and women in uniform will get the protection, equipment, and medical care they deserve. In stead the people who sold us the war, sent our soldiers into harms way are cutting the veterans benefits back here at home.
 
Sweden has 4% the land area of the United States and ~3% the population, not to mention a far, far different political situation, cultural makeup, and history. The two are completelly different beasts, no matter how you slice it. Making the comparisons as you are making them is absurd in the extreme.
 
The United States is probably the best example of what a society dominated by fiscal conservatism looks like, since we are more conservative than any Westerb developed nation. The average American is richer than the average European, but has more “needs” than the average European.

The definition of poverty varies from culture to culture and age to age. Centuries ago, healthcare was not considered a necessity, but now it is a driving social factor. It can be argued that the U.S., the country with an unrivaled GDP, is the most materialistic society in the world.

So, Europeans prefer socialism, which impedes economic growth to a small but not insignificant degree. They won’t make as much money, but they will gain an economic equality, which Europeans value, resulting in contentment.

On the other hand, Americans prefer capitalism, which maximizes growth but places most of the dynamic capital in the hands of the wealthy businessmen. Therefore, although they will be better off than European counterparts in the long run, they will always envy the ostentatious luxuries of the wealthy.

Thus poverty is the end result of materialism.
 
We the almighty can’t learn anything from the small fry. We must push ahead in our ignorance.
 
Let’s remember that Joseph was an entrepreneur and a capitalist. He owned his tools, and sold his products in the open market for a profit. And Jesus, until He began His mission, did the same.
Uh excuse me Jesus was not a capitalist. Capitalism basically runs on greed which He would have a problem with. He’s not a communist either. He had no ties to any of this earthly stuff. He was simply our savior.
 
We the almighty can’t learn anything from the small fry. We must push ahead in our ignorance.
Not at all. But there are things we can learn from small countries and things we can’t, and there are things that work at one level that don’t work when expanded to another.
 
Capitalism basically runs on greed which He would have a problem with.
You think a company trying to make a profit is “greed”? The beauty of capitlism is that it uses what you call “greed” to the benefit of the consumer. Competition demands efficiency, which is good for all parties involved.
 
Uh excuse me Jesus was not a capitalist. Capitalism basically runs on greed which He would have a problem with. He’s not a communist either. He had no ties to any of this earthly stuff. He was simply our savior.
Uh excuse me Jesus was a capitalist. He and his father owned their own tools and produced products for sale in a competitive environment.

Unless you claim the Romans owned the tools.
 
You think a company trying to make a profit is “greed”? The beauty of capitlism is that it uses what you call “greed” to the benefit of the consumer. Competition demands efficiency, which is good for all parties involved.
Define benefit. Do you mean engaging in a futile exercise on the hedonic treadmill?
 
Define benefit. Do you mean engaging in a futile exercise on the hedonic treadmill?
The benefit is that a company is trying to make money. That is their only goal. To make money, they have to attract customers. Customers are attracted by low prices, quality, professionalism, etc.

To achieve low prices, companies have to maximize their efficiency.
To achieve quality, companies have to avoid shortcuts.
To achieve professionalism, companies have to be honest, helpful, maintain a good reputation, etc.

Any company that fails in any one of these goes out of business. Someone else will do it in their stead. Companies being replacable means they have to keep up.

This is good for the consumer because of the low prices, quality, and professionalism inherent in the free market.
This is good for the enviornment because resources will be used where they are most needed, and in the most efficient way. Waste is also reduced.

The problem with the government is that it’s not easily replacable. The government has no competition. Thus, they can be wasteful, ineffecient, and impolite (ever been to the DMV?) without these consequences.
 
Uh excuse me Jesus was a capitalist. He and his father owned their own tools and produced products for sale in a competitive environment.

Unless you claim the Romans owned the tools.
You cannot paint Jesus our savior into a corner like that. He was not tied to any earthly system. He didn’t have time for all our silly isms.
 
You think a company trying to make a profit is “greed”? The beauty of capitlism is that it uses what you call “greed” to the benefit of the consumer. Competition demands efficiency, which is good for all parties involved.
I don’t mind a minor profit margin but when it comes at the expense of not giving the laborer a fair living wage then it is greed and greed is one of the deadly sins.
 
You cannot paint Jesus our savior into a corner like that. He was not tied to any earthly system. He didn’t have time for all our silly isms.
You cannot paint Jesus our savior into a corner like that. He was a carpenter, a man who learned His trade at His earthly father’s side, owned His own tools, and worked for His living.
 
I don’t mind a minor profit margin but when it comes at the expense of not giving the laborer a fair living wage then it is greed and greed is one of the deadly sins.
A thing is worth what a willing buyer will offer and a willing seller accept. If a man offers you a wage, and you accept it, you and he have agreed that is a fair wage for your labor.
 
You cannot paint Jesus our savior into a corner like that. He was a carpenter, a man who learned His trade at His earthly father’s side, owned His own tools, and worked for His living.
Oh stop it Vern. Jesus would have alot of harsh words against capitalism as we know it today. He may have earned a living at his earthly father’s side but he was not a capitalist.
 
A thing is worth what a willing buyer will offer and a willing seller accept. If a man offers you a wage, and you accept it, you and he have agreed that is a fair wage for your labor.
If you can’t pay the bills off of one full tiem job you are not being paid a fair wage. END OF STORY
 
If you can’t pay the bills off of one full tiem job you are not being paid a fair wage. END OF STORY
That is not logically consistent, because “the bills” = a variable. If you go bankrupt its because “the bills” > “full time job”. If you can’t increase “full time job” than decrease “the bills”.
 
If you can’t pay the bills off of one full tiem job you are not being paid a fair wage. END OF STORY
Suppose I live comfortably in a mid-sized house. I decide to buy a huge mansion. All of a sudden, I can’t pay the bills with my full time job. Does that mean my salary is “unfair”?
 
A thing is worth what a willing buyer will offer and a willing seller accept. If a man offers you a wage, and you accept it, you and he have agreed that is a fair wage for your labor.
This is true, assuming that we are a in a perfectly competitive market. In the case of monopoly power, there is scope for wages to be unfair. For example, suppose I am in the middle of nowhere with a companion who has a heart attack. If I say to him, for $200 I will call an ambulance for you on my cell phone. He may well agree, and according to Vern, my wage was perfectly fair. My victim has nothing to complain about, after all, he agreed to pay it. Now, if there were 200 people with cell phones, I could never have charged $200, because my victims would have had alternatives.
 
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