Is fornication+birth control even worse than fornication without?

[Voco_proTatiano]

I really need to see “Contraception: Why Not?” – I’ve heard so many raves about it and I think I really need it because I am still in the process of educating myself on how to defend the teaching on artificial birth control.

And that says something, doesn’t it? That we have to do our own research to really understand the Church’s teaching well enough to defend it to others. Maybe that is how it should be, that we should need to do some work to make our faith our own…

At any rate, the other point that I like to emphasize is the one StCsDavid made in post # 7: “Fornication is being a fallen human…contraception is playing God.”

I am also reminded of something beloved JP2 said, along the lines that philosophy and metaphysics really need to be rediscovered, so that we are enabled to properly think through these issues. These TV “talking heads” are passionate debaters who often mean well I think, but they lack a solid educational foundation. So I can’t be too hard on Sean Hannity - after all, there are hordes of Catholics who are just as dumbfounded as he is when it comes to making sense of the Church’s teaching on ABC. I guess in his brashness - which can be a good thing if you keep it in perspective - he has forgotten that we have to submit to Church teaching in the area of morality, even as we struggle to understand it.

Here’s praying that Sean will set a good example and have the humility to read up or listen to some tapes or log into ewtn.com … or maybe just really PRAY to educate himself a bit before continuing in his obstinacy.

While I agree, that where we are talking about consenting adults, then ABC is a fine protocol, but where the one not consenting is the female, almost universally the case with rape, then the question must be asked:
Which is worst, to be stabbed with a surgically clean knife, or with a knife covered with filth, assuming of course, that vital organs and major blood vessels are not injured.
Too much emphasis is given to the welfare of the rapist, and too little to the victim.
No, I do not pretend that a condom will prevent disease, but it will make it less probable. That contraception may be thereby achieved may be of benefit to the victim, who may not be a Catholic, and might thus value that partial blessing.
Teachings you impose upon Catholics are between yourselves, but trying to impose your teachings on others is out of order.
Thus a rapist who does not offer this minamal protection to his victim, is both foolish to himself, for DNA will convict him, and opressive in excess to his victim, by risking infection to her, and undesired pregnancy from what has a probability of being defective seed.

 

[Jennifer123]

That contraception may be thereby achieved may be of benefit to the victim, who may not be a Catholic, and might thus value that partial blessing.
Teachings you impose upon Catholics are between yourselves, but trying to impose your teachings on others is out of order.
Thus a rapist who does not offer this minamal protection to his victim, is both foolish to himself, for DNA will convict him, and opressive in excess to his victim, by risking infection to her, and undesired pregnancy from what has a probability of being defective seed.

The Church doesn’t impose anything on anyone, it only seeks to tell us why we should live according to an objective moral reality.

We believe that contraception only begets this type of violence, as it already demeans us as objects of desire for another, void of any real inherent dignity in and of ourselves. Rape is an affront to our human dignity, and contraception only demeans even more, and if by chance a human is conceived of this act, they have every right to be born as any other person.

On a personal note, I have a sibling that is the product of this situation, and I highly doubt they wished they had never been born.

 

[fix]

While I agree, that where we are talking about consenting adults, then ABC is a fine protocol,

It is the opposite of fine, it is evil.

but where the one not consenting is the female, almost universally the case with rape, then the question must be asked:
Which is worst, to be stabbed with a surgically clean knife, or with a knife covered with filth, assuming of course, that vital organs and major blood vessels are not injured.
Too much emphasis is given to the welfare of the rapist, and too little to the victim.

Do rapists submit to the victim’s requests now?

No, I do not pretend that a condom will prevent disease, but it will make it less probable. That contraception may be thereby achieved may be of benefit to the victim, who may not be a Catholic, and might thus value that partial blessing.

The ends never justify the means.

Teachings you impose upon Catholics are between yourselves, but trying to impose your teachings on others is out of order.

No one is imposing anything. What I find offensive is disguising error as truth and then claiming it is good.

Thus a rapist who does not offer this minamal protection to his victim, is both foolish to himself, for DNA will convict him, and opressive in excess to his victim, by risking infection to her, and undesired pregnancy from what has a probability of being defective seed.

Do you really think criminals are sensible?

 

[francesco920]

If somebody tells you they want to have sex outside of marriage, wouldn’t it be even worse if they used birth control as well?

This is how I figure it:

Is it worse to kill a person by shooting them once in the heart or shooting them twice in the heart?