Is Genesis 2: 15-17 an explanation of Original Sin?

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Update on this section from post 459. I put the key point in bold.
“When something in scripture depicts a God that does not love us at least as much as the person who loves us most, then there is a great deal of explaining to do, and in the Church the explanation includes the fact that the story of Adam and Eve is not to be taken literally. To the degree that the story compromises God’s understanding and love, we can freely, with our God-given intelligence, not incorporate those elements of the story.”
Apparently, the “fact that the story of Adam and Eve is not to be taken literally” is not part of Catholic teachings. Apparently, no one has been able to give the exact location of this fact.

While figurative language is used in Genesis chapter 3 (CCC 390), we cannot deny the literal facts in chapters 1 and 2 and the literal existence of God and Original Sin in chapter 3. Nor is the use of figurative language the same as the claim that the first three chapters of Genesis are only figurative allegories which can be changed with the wind. The story of Adam and Eve is the foundation for basic Catholic doctrines starting with God’s communication with real humans. (Genesis 1: 27 and following) If Adam is non-existent, then there is no reason for Jesus Christ to be fully Divine. (modern stealth Arianism)

It is obvious, given the doctrines which flow from the truth-filled first chapters of Genesis, that the Catholic Church does not have an explanation which includes the fact that the story of Adam and Eve is not to be taken literally. Adam and Eve are real.

The human person is worthy of profound respect.
For starters, Granny, the story makes reference to “the gods”. If there are “gods”, then our religion is not monotheistic. So you see, we are to take the Bible literally, unless there is a contradiction. This was taught to us by the scripture scholar we had as a teacher at our parish, and it makes sense.

If nothing else, we have to acknowledge that every individual has a different “literal”. Every single word in our vocabulary has an associated list of experiences and formative aspects. Consider the possibility of some very bizarre interpretations from this fact that we all have individual vocabularies.

And with these individual vocabularies, we are going to have a range of interpretation of what the Bible, the ccc, or any other document says. So, we have to bring this to the guidance of the Spirit, even on an individual basis. We can say that God is Love, and that can be a starting point. People know what love is, it is more than words, but even our knowing of love can be clouded by emotions.

The Gospel comes to us beginning with the people who love us most, their love itself is Gospel. Do you see?
 
I really like what you are saying there, but it is difficult to get that message from the story itself and especially from many of the explanations of the consequences. Tell me more, how does the story show God elevating man?
That’s the church’s teaching, actually, believed early on but also gleaned from years of her member’s growing in the “knowledge of God”. As we contemplate God’s nature, the nature of He who is love, as we’re granted insight into the nature of that love, itself, we can gain understanding of just what salvation actually entails. And while Scripture may be more or less silent on “divinization” or “theosis”, other than to say that we’re to be transformed into God’s image, we do know that God never abandoned man: that plan of salvation was already in place in Genesis, ultimately meant to lead to a glorious state of being that, ‘No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind conceived for those who love God’, paraphrasing 1 Cor 2:9. He gives us glimpses though. So the Church teaches that Adam wanted to be like God, but apart from God, while God wanted man to be like Him while knowing that this can only be accomplished with Him, ‘apart from whom we can do nothing’, John 5:15
 
For starters, Granny, the story makes reference to “the gods”. If there are “gods”, then our religion is not monotheistic. So you see, we are to take the Bible literally, unless there is a contradiction. This was taught to us by the scripture scholar we had as a teacher at our parish, and it makes sense.

If nothing else, we have to acknowledge that every individual has a different “literal”. Every single word in our vocabulary has an associated list of experiences and formative aspects. Consider the possibility of some very bizarre interpretations from this fact that we all have individual vocabularies.

And with these individual vocabularies, we are going to have a range of interpretation of what the Bible, the ccc, or any other document says. So, we have to bring this to the guidance of the Spirit, even on an individual basis. We can say that God is Love, and that can be a starting point. People know what love is, it is more than words, but even our knowing of love can be clouded by emotions.

The Gospel comes to us beginning with the people who love us most, their love itself is Gospel. Do you see?
And yet, with all these potential various individual interpretations, we still believe that there is one truth. There can only be one truth. And so the necessity of an entity, the church, to be able to wade through and discern that truth in the midst of a great many different scriptural passages spoken or penned by a great many different authors during greatly diverse times over a great number of centuries becomes quite evident IMO, if we’re to fully understand at all.
 
It is sad when some other Catholics walk away from the truths which flow from the “story” of Adam and Eve. And yes, there are some popular clergy Scripture scholars (wolves in sheep’s clothing) who sadly lead others astray.

For starters. One should not confuse the totally unique first three chapters of Genesis with the “Bible literally”. Nor should one try to confuse the expression of power with multiple pagan gods. That Scripture attack fails because in the Catholic Church, not every Scripture verse automatically becomes a Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church considers a number of verses in those first three Genesis chapters as leading to Divine Revelation. Check out the CCC Index of Citations starting on page 689.

Thinking about attacks on the Catholic Church, one is reminded of the true statement that we all have individual vocabularies. This obvious observation is used as a sugar-coated jump from the informative first three chapters of Genesis to a wide range, including the bizarre, of interpretations of what the Bible is saying. That is “bait and switch”. The first three chapters are historically unique because they address the beginning of the history of man. (CCC 390) By the way, the Bible per se has a rather large variety of books which include the Psalms. There is human passion.

Something new to me is the attack promoting the idea that if individuals see a range of interpretations, they have to bring this to the guidance of the Spirit even on an individual basis. This is actually an attack against the major ecumenical Councils in the early years of Catholicism. To me, it sounds like the Holy Spirit (chapter 14, Gospel of John) made mistakes and now we individuals have to correct them. :confused:
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship between **
**the first human Adam **and his Creator God

This Creator/creature relationship is based on love. We know that love is more than words. We can say in truth that God is love. God’s original friendship relationship is more than humans can imagine. God’s friendship has a purpose which is written in the first three chapters of Genesis.

Is God’s friendship like human love? Is it necessary to explore every person’s “literal” love concept of God?
 
A middle of the night appreciation for the author of the first three chapters of Genesis.😃

Currently, one of the many scholarly thoughts is that this author borrowed from the legends of neighboring cultures which bowed before multiple gods. Each god has a special action such as fertility, war, love, etc. The Hebrew nation has only one almighty God with many actions. Centuries later, we find it important to emphasis that Divine actions regarding peerless humanity are a unity of God’s love. Genesis 1: 26-27.Therefore, when we study Adam we find one unique friendship relationship with the one Creator. Genesis 3: 8 points to a happy relationship which is suddenly broken by Adam’s disobedience. Still, there is a unity of love actions within one God.
Genesis 3: 15 and John 3: 16-17

Being responsible for humankind, God freely chose to have an unique original friendship relationship with his human creatures. Genesis 1: 26-27. To insure that all human creatures would be included in God’s love, the human species begins with one male parent and his one female spouse. In addition, the first parent is responsible for the future of humankind. I can imagine the author’s head spinning as he describes the original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator God. How can God’s love remain when the results of Original Sin destroys humanity’s original relationship with Divinity? Perhaps, the supernatural strength in Genesis 1: 26-27 could be the answer.

The human person, an unique creation, is worthy of profound respect.
 
That’s the church’s teaching, actually, believed early on but also gleaned from years of her member’s growing in the “knowledge of God”. As we contemplate God’s nature, the nature of He who is love, as we’re granted insight into the nature of that love, itself, we can gain understanding of just what salvation actually entails. And while Scripture may be more or less silent on “divinization” or “theosis”, other than to say that we’re to be transformed into God’s image, we do know that God never abandoned man: that plan of salvation was already in place in Genesis, ultimately meant to lead to a glorious state of being that, ‘No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind conceived for those who love God’, paraphrasing 1 Cor 2:9. He gives us glimpses though. So the Church teaches that Adam wanted to be like God, but apart from God, while God wanted man to be like Him while knowing that this can only be accomplished with Him, ‘apart from whom we can do nothing’, John 5:15
And this “elevates” man? I’m not not disagreeing with what you are saying, but to me an “elevation” would involve seeing the beauty and wonder of God in the human as created. Each one of us has the individual potential to become more compassionate, and that compassion grows alongside, and because of, our own awareness of self and others. This development of compassion is in itself a salvation, a salvation of an individual, and a salvation of our world in a Kingdom-forming way. Do you agree?
And yet, with all these potential various individual interpretations, we still believe that there is one truth. There can only be one truth. And so the necessity of an entity, the church, to be able to wade through and discern that truth in the midst of a great many different scriptural passages spoken or penned by a great many different authors during greatly diverse times over a great number of centuries becomes quite evident IMO, if we’re to fully understand at all.
With simply using words, though, it is not possible to “fully understand”. From acts of love and mercy, all of it is possible. It is possible through relationship:

“Paul does not say to the Athenians: ‘This is the encyclopedia of truth. Study this and you have the truth, the truth.’ No! The truth does not enter into an encyclopedia. The truth is an encounter—it is a meeting with Supreme Truth: Jesus, the great truth.” Nobody owns this truth, we are told, but when we find ourselves, like Paul, possessed by it, galvanized by its force (“We receive the truth when we meet it.”)

Pope Francis
 
Thinking about attacks on the Catholic Church…
Gentle Readers: Please note that our beloved Granny is not accusing anyone of attacking the Catholic Church from within, because she is obedient to doctrine concerning schism. Instead, she is expressing a disagreement with a different way of looking at Truth, and she is thinking that a different way may displace her own interpretation.

What we can glean from our Church (i.e. the quote in blue from Pope Francis above) is that we can take a both/and approach. There is room in the Church for different ways of looking at scripture. Granny is not calling for us to divide ourselves into micro-denominations over words, which has happened so many times in Christian history.

People say, “ask two Jews, you’ll get three opinions”. I don’t think Catholics are any different.
**O is for the Original friendship relationship between **
**the first human Adam **and his Creator God

This Creator/creature relationship is based on love. We know that love is more than words. We can say in truth that God is love. God’s original friendship relationship is more than humans can imagine. God’s friendship has a purpose which is written in the first three chapters of Genesis.

Is God’s friendship like human love? Is it necessary to explore every person’s “literal” love concept of God?
👍

No, it is not necessary to explore every person’s literal concept of God. We can embrace everyone, including all who come to the table, all who do not come to the table, and even learn how to understand and forgive our enemies without such exploration! 🙂

What we can say is that differences of opinion can draw people to inquire about God if those differences are presented and discussed in a way that does not turn people off. Adamant finger-pointing and accusation, for example, only serves to compromise the spirit of love and inclusion we find in the Gospel. “Catholic” means universal, we aim for unity, communion. We are one body.

🙂
 
Clarification for our Gentle Readers

This not so gentle granny, tougher than nails, is definitely accusing a few people of attacking the Catholic Church from within. Here is my favorite example by a Catholic Professor of Old Testament, Semitic languages and biblical spirituality.

This example is five years old. Thus, out of charity, I do not give a citation because this priest may have come back to the correct teachings of the Catholic Church. However, damage has been done. Gentle warning – this is a difficult example. At the time I posted it on CAF, not many Catholics could grasp its intention. Interestingly, a thread on emerging Christianity died. I am hoping that more Catholics will understand this example in the light of
O is for the Original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator God

The example to ponder.

"… wrote that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

From the dawn of human history, each human person is worthy of profound respect.
 
From post 483.
"What we can glean from our Church (i.e. the quote in blue from Pope Francis above) is that we can take a both/and approach. There is room in the Church for different ways of looking at scripture. Granny is not calling for us to divide ourselves into micro-denominations over words, which has happened so many times in Christian history.

"People say, “ask two Jews, you’ll get three opinions”. I don’t think Catholics are any different.

"No, it is not necessary to explore every person’s literal concept of God. We can embrace everyone, including all who come to the table, all who do not come to the table, and even learn how to understand and forgive our enemies without such exploration!

“What we can say is that differences of opinion can draw people to inquire about God if those differences are presented and discussed in a way that does not turn people off. Adamant finger-pointing and accusation, for example, only serves to compromise the spirit of love and inclusion we find in the Gospel. “Catholic” means universal, we aim for unity, communion. We are one body.”

Thank you for the above clarification of the Big Tent and/or emerging progressive Catholicism. The definitive word is “embrace”. Does embrace include all the annoying Catholic doctrines like a historic Adam, a real Original Sin, and seven Sacraments including the reality that a person can reject God’s unconditional love and/or any Sacrament at any time? Can a mortal sin be a reality?

May I respectfully suggest that readers return to the encyclical Humani Generis, paragraphs 11 & 12, w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis.html

Before we put on our Adam and Eve costumes (example in post 484) so we can slip into the Garden and listen to a talking snake, we need to decide if we really want the Catholic Church in our lives.

From the dawn of human history, every human person is worthy of profound respect.
 
Clarification for our Gentle Readers

This not so gentle granny, tougher than nails, is definitely accusing a few people of attacking the Catholic Church from within. Here is my favorite example by a Catholic Professor of Old Testament, Semitic languages and biblical spirituality.

This example is five years old. Thus, out of charity, I do not give a citation because this priest may have come back to the correct teachings of the Catholic Church. However, damage has been done. Gentle warning – this is a difficult example. At the time I posted it on CAF, not many Catholics could grasp its intention. Interestingly, a thread on emerging Christianity died. I am hoping that more Catholics will understand this example in the light of
O is for the Original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator God

The example to ponder.

"… wrote that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

From the dawn of human history, each human person is worthy of profound respect.
Charitable Readers who (like me) adore Granny:

Granny is not attacking the unnamed author of the words she quotes, even if she claims not to be gentle.😃

You see, if we look at the definition of “attack” from Merriam-Webster:

Attack: to act violently against (someone or something) : to try to hurt, injure, or destroy (something or someone)

She is not intending to hurt, injure, or destroy him. She may be intending to “destroy” his words with assertions and logic, but she is not attacking him, and as such, she is certainly not intending to attack the Church; she is intending to protect doctrine.

Readers with calm minds like Granny can also address the intent of the unnamed person she quoted. As the story of A&E is intended (among other things) to foster cooperation, there is some merit to describing A&E as “everyman” and “everywoman” so that we refrain from blaming two fellow humans for our plight. Indeed, we are all capable of disobedience and have disobeyed, and we are to form our consciences in such a way that we value obedience. If the story only applies to A&E, and not ourselves, then something is lost in terms of the purpose of the story. Especially in the tribal context, which is the time of the writing of the story, obedience to leadership was a matter of survival. When we charitably address the intent of the author of the words Granny quoted, we can clearly see no intent to destroy, injure, or hurt, but quite the opposite.

So yes, it is very important to “grasp intention”, as Granny knows, and to refrain from judging people. We are to give people the benefit of the doubt. Yes, we can judge words and look at their merits or lack thereof, but to accuse intent to hurt, injure, or destroy goes against the words of Jesus, as Granny knows:

Matthew 7:1-2New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

🙂
 
O is for the Original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator God

Here is a rather old example – however, it is still valid as an attack on the Catholic Church from within – that skips the obvious original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator. Genesis 1: 27 and following.
This Catholic teacher/ writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

It is my personal opinion, when other Catholics claim that Adam and Eve are paradigms, figurative equivalents, they cannot address the original relationship between God and Adam because in no way can God be a figurative anything. At least not in the present Catholic Church. No way can Catholics take a both/and approach to properly defined and duly declared Catholic doctrines. There is no room in the Catholic Church for different ways of looking at Scripture in the first three chapters of Genesis and then interpreting the companion Catholic doctrines without the main characters. Understanding Original Sin involves serious effort. One cannot eliminate Adam without undermining the mystery of Christ. (last line, CCC 389)

Because the “you interpreter; me interpreter” in the 1940’s has grown into the present “skip the doctrines and love each other”, it is understandable that the original friendship relationship aka State of Original Holiness aka State of Sanctifying Grace is not primary. Maybe those who want to change Catholicism from inside the Church have to skip Adam’s original relationship with Divinity because it contains true love for all humans. Genesis 1: 27 and following.

It is interesting to me that many, many words have to be used in order to circumvent the truth that Catholic truths are not open to both/and. Many words are used to lead away from the example errors. The words in the first three chapters of Genesis are simple to understand when one avoids the pressure of a few people who wish to update Divine Revelation from within the Church.

Divine Revelation trumps.
 
And this “elevates” man? I’m not not disagreeing with what you are saying, but to me an “elevation” would involve seeing the beauty and wonder of God in the human as created. Each one of us has the individual potential to become more compassionate, and that compassion grows alongside, and because of, our own awareness of self and others. This development of compassion is in itself a salvation, a salvation of an individual, and a salvation of our world in a Kingdom-forming way. Do you agree?
Yes, I agree that compassion-love-is salvation in a sense, but also that we can’t reach it without the Savior, who is love and promises to transform us into His image with our cooperation. And yes, we become elevated by Christ’s message even now, While that message convicts us of sin, it also tells us that we need not wallow in or be enslaved by it. It tells us that God knows our potential, and that He esteems and loves man lavishly-that He desires to serve us, even, and help us reach that potential. The bottom line message of the New Covenant is that man needs God. And He won’t settle for lukewarm or mediocre elevation- He wants more for us than we can imagine. Why should we settle for less then? Why not set our sights higher, expecting the best from our God, even as we don’t expect or demand it all right now? Man was made for some great destiny, and even we cannot be truly happy until we find it. For me it’s not either/or, either be happy with myself and the world as it is now or dislike both, but both/and, be content and happy now with myself and creation while striving for better yet-with much better yet as the goal.
With simply using words, though, it is not possible to “fully understand”. From acts of love and mercy, all of it is possible. It is possible through relationship:

“Paul does not say to the Athenians: ‘This is the encyclopedia of truth. Study this and you have the truth, the truth.’ No! The truth does not enter into an encyclopedia. The truth is an encounter—it is a meeting with Supreme Truth: Jesus, the great truth.” Nobody owns this truth, we are told, but when we find ourselves, like Paul, possessed by it, galvanized by its force (“We receive the truth when we meet it.”)

Pope Francis
I agree with this-but we still need revelation, and that revelation, understood as fully as possible, sets the framework for our developing the relationship and so coming into possession of and being galvanized by the truth. But asking, seeking, knocking-and thinking outside the box, or being led out of it, sometimes into heretofore unimaginable territory- are part of the journey to the encounter.
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship **
between the first human Adam and his Creator God
A Catholic teacher/writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

Maybe this writer thinks that Catholics are too dumb to notice a silent shift from a past primeval event to the hectic life of today.
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship **
between the first human Adam and his Creator God
A Catholic teacher/writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

When this writer decided that our mirror tells us that we are Adam and Eve, he should have been smart enough to pick a national hero in the mirror instead of Adam who messed up big time.
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship **
between the first human Adam and his Creator God
A Catholic teacher/writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

I wonder if this writer knows that there are zillions of religions. If he did know, surely he would have identified the religion in the last line.
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship **
between the first human Adam and his Creator God
A Catholic teacher/writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

Is the lack of figurative equivalents in biology lessons a better excuse for no homework than “the dog ate my homework” excuse?
 
**O is for the Original friendship relationship **
between the first human Adam and his Creator God
A Catholic teacher/writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

When all is said and done by those prominent Big Tent individuals who chip away at the Catholic foundation while smiling at their being within the Catholic Church — when all is said and done, the Catholic Church remains faithful to the Catholic Church doctrines flowing from the reality in the first three Genesis chapters of God’s love for all of us. Genesis 1 27. 👍
 
If we believe we sinned when Adam/Eve sinned then in a way that would make us the mirror image of the first two people.

This is what I think the person who said we are the man and woman of genesis meant. He did not mean we are Adam and Eve literally, but that when we read the story of the fall, the temptation, the distrust, the pride, all the negative things that we fail in which cause such sinful natures, we see ourselves too.

That’s how I read what the person was saying. If he was trying to say there was no first people who committed the first sin, I don’t see it there.

Just my 2 pennies.
 
O is for the Original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator God

Here is a rather old example – however, it is still valid as an attack on the Catholic Church from within – that skips the obvious original friendship relationship between the first human Adam and his Creator. Genesis 1: 27 and following.
This Catholic teacher/ writer wrote

"that Catholics who ask, “Were there an Adam and Eve?” would be better off asking another question: “Are there an Adam and Eve?”

The answer, he said, “is a definite ‘yes.’ We find them when we look in the mirror. We are Adam, and we are Eve. … The man and woman of Genesis … are intended to represent an Everyman and Everywoman. They are paradigms, figurative equivalents, of human conduct in the face of temptation, not lessons in biology or history. The Bible is teaching religion, not science or literalistic history.”

It is my personal opinion…

Divine Revelation trumps.
Dear Readers and fellows who appreciate Granny and her work,

Granny has not failed to remember another important “O”, but instead, like all of us, she may be a bit distracted by personal opinions that include fears associated with what the teacher expressed. Yes, absolutely, divine revelation trumps. That the Bible teaches religion, not science or literalistic history is mainstream Catholicism; every Catholic theologian I have ever read, concerning the story of Genesis, expresses the same.

So in use of the words “attack from within”, Granny may be distracted from this O:

** O is for Obedience**

So, what does obedience tell us in terms of our use of the word “attack”? As I wrote in my previous post, Jesus calls us not to judge. When we ascribe malicious intent to a person, are we not judging them? When we make an accusation, are we not judging?

Therefore, yes, Divine revelation trumps. Divine revelation tells us that we are to refrain from judging people, and Obedience calls us to refrain from calling a fellow Catholic’s words an “attack” on the Church.

I repeat, Granny has no malicious intent in her use of the word “attack”. She is not intending to create schism from within. She is simply attempting to protect doctrine.

Blessings! 🙂
 
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