Is God Cruel or Just Imperfect?

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it sounds like you recently knew a baby born with ds (i could be wrong), but my heart feels for you if you do. it is so easy to take our anger out on God, but i caution you against this. as hard as it might be, especially at first, try to begin to look at this as a blessing. you hold, in your arms, a baby who is alive . . . and who will have a childlike innocence that will last them through their lives. my younger cousin was born with autism 14 years ago, and she is the sweetest girl you will meet, always ready with a hug and a kiss, even if she has not seen you for a year. to top it off, she has taught our entire family so much. she has instructed us with patience, with endless love. her older and younger brothers are incredibly mature.

it is so easy to loose yourself in what this baby will never be able to do, but remember all they WILL be able to do. they will be able to attend some schooling, there is a boy with ds who helps serve at the alter at my church (he is helped by a second server), we have had various threads about children with ds and other defects receiving the sacraments, ect.

will it be hard? yes. but God only gave you this baby because He knows you guys can handle it. He never gives us what we can’t handle, and this will only make you stronger. my prayers are will you
 
As to why God allows people to be born with disabilities I believe no one knows for sure, but let me offer this:

As a person with CP that has a mighty difficult time manuvering my body around, I sometimes rely on others to help me. This always created an amount of guilt as my family was raised to “pull your own weight” and not rely on others to do your work. After a particularly depressing moment (I think I needed help tying my shoe or something), the person who helped me looked at me and said “You shouldn’t feel bad about your disability. God creates some so that others may help them. That is a way to serve God through you.” I thought about that for a long time and decided he was right.

The child is a blessing and gives added opportunity to serve God. Try to rejoice in it. It can be difficult, I know. My parents went through a difficult time with me I know. It was tough both emotionally and financially. But you know, they made it through it and who knows? They might have become better people because of it.

Please don’t look at this as a problem. Please look at it for what it is - God’s creation! And pray asking for guidance while raising God’s gift, and to use God’s other gifts to aid in this blessed challenge.

Ron
 
How can someone who is retarded be saved? If asking for forgiveness is an act of will, and the intellect neccessary to understand the concept of sin, forgiveness etc, then how can someone with little or no understanding of the world around them comprehend these things?
 
Too bad this looks like a hit and run. I may put it on my journal.

Scott
 
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UtahMaggie:
I was thinking the same thing.
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No need to think. No posts before or after. An obvious hit and run.

Besides, how dare God not make everything perfect here on earth and remove our free will, and thus, that we’re created in his image.
 
One of my girlfriends from high school has two daughters, both autistic. The younger one, at age 18, had the intellectual ability of an 18 month old.

She says she is truly blessed because God doesn’t entrust children like that to just anyone, only to very special, loving people.

As for myself, I would rather have the stupidest child who ever lived but ended up in heaven, than the smartest child who ever lived but ended up in hell. Come to think of it, I myself would rather be the stupidest person ending up in heaven than the smartest ending up in hell.
 
As for myself, I would rather have the stupidest child who ever lived but ended up in heaven, than the smartest child who ever lived but ended up in hell. Come to think of it, I myself would rather be the stupidest person ending up in heaven than the smartest ending up in hell.

My thoughts exactly!!!
 
After reading on such stuff, I wondered: is that the same reason why Hitler, Saddam and Osama were born evil? Why John Lennon was shot? Why the evil Cheka murdered the Romanov family? And why the events of 9/11 happened? And why the evil Chaldeans stormed Jerusalem? Not for sin? Go fig.
 
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Can someone please tell me why an omnipotent God of Love would create a baby born with Downs Syndrome? And don’t tell me because of Adam and Eve because it’s a cop-out! 😦 😦
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God’s glory is made manifest through human weakness. Human dignity is deeper than our earthly bodies. These are only earthly bodies. We are dust and to dust we shall return. Our earthly flaws remind us of the promise of future glory Jesus gives us. The souls and the resurrected bodies of these children will shine forever in the kingdom if they love God in the means in which they can express it. Their condition points to God’s glory - especially his promise of eternal life, when every tear will be wiped away and there will be no suffering. Their condition reminds the rest of us of the countless gifts we have been given by our loving Creator. As much as we pity their condition, their souls are as free as yours or mine. We should contemplate the unique gifts they have been given by their Creator that the rest of us have not received.
 
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wiki7:
Can someone please tell me why an omnipotent God of Love would create a baby born with Downs Syndrome? And don’t tell me because of Adam and Eve because it’s a cop-out! 😦 😦
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Generally, I’ve found it folly to try and judge God’s actions against our own sense of “Justice”.

Why would a child with Down’s be any less of a perfect creation of God that one without? Because we belive the child to be less? Because this child would have burdens that are different than our own.

We all have particular burdens in life and we all are given Grace to use them towards our eternal salvation.

In many ways, a person with Down’s has an easier road to salvation that we (and Salvation is all that really matters isn’t it).

Each and every one that I have have met has been so filled with Love, God’s Love, to be remarkable. If anything, God creates them as models for us on how to Love and be Loved.
 
Some children are born into this world for the affect they can have on the lives of others. We have a Downs Syndrome girl who is an altargirl in our church. She touches lives every time she approaches the altar carryiing the cross.
 
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Some children are born into this world for the affect they can have on the lives of others. We have a Downs Syndrome girl who is an altargirl in our church. She touches lives every time she approaches the altar carryiing the cross.
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We have one at our church too–are you talking about Our Lady of the Assumption in San Bernardino, CA?
 
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Can someone please tell me why an omnipotent God of Love would create a baby born with Downs Syndrome? And don’t tell me because of Adam and Eve because it’s a cop-out! 😦 😦
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if such a child changes the heart of one person that is all that maters.
 
Some folks are born with handicaps so we have an opportunity to show kindness and love towards them.

They are God’s special children.
 
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Can someone please tell me why an omnipotent God of Love would create a baby born with Downs Syndrome? And don’t tell me because of Adam and Eve because it’s a cop-out! 😦 😦
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Please, first of all I understand where you are at. When we were told our son had Autism over 15 years ago. Our world fell apart, I questioned everything including God’s love. When I talk to our Priest, and cried Why me?, my baby?, and his words, at first hurt but then I realized…He said Why not you? He told me God has reason for everything. And Indeed He has, Through my son, with God’s help I have learned understanding, love and compassion I did not have at that time. I have grown stronger in my Faith and my child, now 17 although Autistic,profoundly delayed and mute has a sweet innocent Love of God that we all wish to have. :love:
 
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wiki7:
Can someone please tell me why an omnipotent God of Love would create a baby born with Downs Syndrome? And don’t tell me because of Adam and Eve because it’s a cop-out! 😦 😦
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Wiki7,

To the question in the title I would say “Neither,” and to the question in the post I would point you towards Peter Kreeft’s The Power of the Powerless. My oldest brother–who just turned 50–was born severely retarded. I believe God put him here to give us somebody to love unconditionally and to take care of, so we wouldn’t be so selfish.

I might add that when my brother dies he is going straight to Heaven. He has never committed a single sin in his life. I wish I could say that about myself …
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Wiki7,

To the question in the title I would say “Neither,” and to the question in the post I would point you towards Peter Kreeft’s The Power of the Powerless. My oldest brother–who just turned 50–was born severely retarded. I believe God put him here to give us somebody to love unconditionally and to take care of, so we wouldn’t be so selfish.

I might add that when my brother dies he is going straight to Heaven. He has never committed a single sin in his life. I wish I could say that about myself …
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I believe the same about my sweet, little Tony, age 17. I believe God has a special place :love: for your brother and my son. We can only wish to be as pure as they are. God Bless them both and everyone like them.
 
God loves the kids with Down Syndrome. It’s society and people that don’t.

“I am as my Creator made me, and if he is satisfied, then so am I.”
 
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kev7:
if such a child changes the heart of one person that is all that maters.
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Why not the mind and soul? The heart’s just a muscle that pumps blood. Too much is said of a cliched stereotype like that.
 
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