is god moral ?

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hi
sry about the other thread and that i did not read the stickys… that happens when you register on a forum and want to star a interesting debat whilst being extremly tired
ok so now refreshed with 2 cups strong coffe lets start again.

so my point is that in my view of what is moral , the god in the bible does not fulfill the moral standarts expected from an all powerfull all knowing and loving god.

ok , so humans are often described as gods children , but what father would allow his children to be tortured (i am not saying he tortures , simply that he allows for it to happen) for the “crime” of not loving him back (back is an important point since he suposedly loves us all , allowing for someone to be tortured whom you dont like is allready a evile thing… but someone you love?)? what kind of moral and loving god is that ?

also a infinite punishment is not ok to be used to punish a crime which caused a finite amount of harm

ok lets begin ( ipod spellchecker is giving me a hard time :S )

Hello there friend!

Perhaps you are looking at this the wrong way. If I may suggest a different way

1. God is the the ultimate true goal of all our desires and source of happiness
2. To be with God, we must conform ourselves to God’s nature
3. Moral Law is part of what describes God’s nature and to break moral law/ sin is to act contrarily to God’s nature
4. God then punishes us on earth so that we will recognize or be remembered that our sins do not bring us happiness
5. As a result, we will turn back to him and repent of our sins and be more disciplined

From the above, the only one that you might still question is probably (2). But I am sure you would agree that if you wanted to spend an eternity with a friend or spouse, you would want them to like the things about you and do things you would also want to do with them. If they simply hated what you stood for and desired the very things you didn’t like by your nature (i.e. who you are), your time with them would be pretty bad.

So God is not being selfish or acting like a bad parent here. Rather, he is acting like a good parent. He knows what you really want. He can also see that you are trying to satisfy your desire in places and ways that you cannot satisfy it. Hence he sends punishment for your actions with the hope that it will remind you where your true happiness lies.

I hope that helps answer your question!