Is Grinding a Sin?

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Of course, I’m referencing the dancing. If you don’t know what this is…I’d rather not explain it:o . Its quite popular with folks my age these days. Is it sinful?
 
Has to be morally wrong. How much different is that from feeling each other up, and I know that’s illicit. When you grind with a partner on the dance floor, you are arousing one another.

Now if your talking about a married couple grinding with one another, then I’m not sure. My guess is that in their own privacy it might be fine opposed to out in public on a dance floor. Seems that would be a sinful example for any sincere catholic to portray. But don’t quote me on that.

So what do the scholars on this forum have to contribute.
 
Personally, it’s stimulated intercourse, and it’s offensive. 😦
 
Probably most folks here will say it is a sin. What is important to consider is that it’s not always best to be too familiar with folks you don’t know or to allow folks you do know too much access to yourself! Always insist that you be respected, both physical and emotionally, and people who get close to you (no pun) shoud do so with respect and reverence. Dancing is fine, but I’d keep some distance if I were you. 😉
 
I had to read the posts to assure myself what the behavior in question is…being the old fuddy-dud.

The answer, though, is simple: If you have to ask – if you suspect it may be a sin, for reasons that you perfectly well understand - then the answer is yes, it’s sinful.

Don’t look for rationalizations and excuses to cut corners. If you think something might be sinful – don’t do it. Faith is not about doing the minimum, following the rules to the minimum required extent. It’s not about figuring out what you can get away with. It’s about living your life for Christ, joyfully and willingly.
 
I don’t think it is objectively sinful. It is not a sexual act. However, it can be a temptation to sin, and if it is done to lead someone else into sinful thoughts then that would make it sinful (kind of in the same field as dressing immodestly).
 
Yes, it really is all dependent on how both of the partners (dancing ones, of course 😉 ) take this particular dance as. I’m a good Catholic, I consider myself, and I have done grinding with some friends of mine who see it as harmless fun. We do not do it together to arouse each other or feel each other up, but it is an expression to the sensuality of the music. Latino music and belly dancing might as well be sinful then!

Not all things that are sexual or sensual are particularly sinful. Only the way it is used, the context and the intent creates it as a sinful dance. If I were to actually go close and rub myself or conjure up sexual thoughts through it, by God’s name it is certainly a sin!

Some things like this one is a personal one. If you see yourself sinning through the medium, then it’s to the best interest not to do it. David himself danced in a loincloth before the Lord. He certainly wasn’t dancing for pleasuring himself or sexual ecstasy. Is that a sin, given the context? 😃
 
Yes, it is a sin. I can’t say if it’s a mortal sin or not- but you should ask yourself, if you knew Jesus or Mary were in the room, how would you act?
 
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Exactly. Why would that be, if it were morally right?

I am sure placed within the context of a married couple, in events that lead to a free and open to children relationship, that it could be considered for further review.

But without the context, sorry.

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I would have to say that objectively it is a sin as an affront to virtue of modesty.

2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet. (CCC)

1832 The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: “charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity.” (CCC)
 
Is “grinding” a sin?

YES! Most likely mortal. Can you imagine any saint doing such a thing? This is really a question that need not be asked. Don’t ask how far you can go without technically committing a sin; ask, rather, how holy you can be!
 
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YES! Most likely mortal.
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If we are to use the words ‘most likely’ when refering to the sin being mortal or not, I would suggest that it is not.
‘Most likely’ seems to infer that we do not know the sin to be grave in nature.

Shouldn’t you have full knowledge of the grave nature of a sin before it can become a mortal sin?
 
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If we are to use the words ‘most likely’ when refering to the sin being mortal or not, I would suggest that it is not.
‘Most likely’ seems to infer that we do not know the sin to be grave in nature.

Shouldn’t you have full knowledge of the grave nature of a sin before it can become a mortal sin?
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Better stated: It is a grave sin that may be mortal in consequence, i.e, provided the conditions for moral sin are present in the commission of the grave sin. IOW – not all grave sin results in mortal sin.
 
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I hope not. I like to put on my Six Fat Dutchmen LP while I’m making kielbasa, and do a few polka steps around the butcher block while I’m turning the crank.
 
Actually, I thinking it’s preferable to using the pre-ground varieties.

Loud, though. 😉
 
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The answer, though, is simple: If you have to ask – if you suspect it may be a sin, for reasons that you perfectly well understand - then the answer is yes, it’s sinful.

Don’t look for rationalizations and excuses to cut corners. If you think something might be sinful – don’t do it.
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Although in this particular situation I would say that it would probably be sinful in that it is immodest, I would caution against giving this advice. Although what you said may be good for a person who is lax in their faith to hear, for a scrupulous person this can be devastating. The whole point is to find out whether something IS a sin or not. If we just based things on “it might be so I better not do it” those who suffer from scrupulosity may find themselves paralyzed with fear from doing anything that may or may not be sinful. Although it is probably more common for people to make excuses or not know something they are doing is sinful, it is also possible that someone may avoid something fearing there is sin where there is none. These people should be set straight just like the others. So saying: “thinking it may be a sin = a sin or something not to be done” is not always the best way to put things.

I know that this isn’t what you meant by your post. Having suffered from scrupulosity and the anxiety that comes with it though, I feel I should try to remind people that this is a condition that should be taken seriously.
 
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I hope not. I like to put on my Six Fat Dutchmen LP while I’m making kielbasa, and do a few polka steps around the butcher block while I’m turning the crank.
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:rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl:Being to old to know grinding I got the biggest kick out of your answer. But after reading posts about it. I for one would say it sounds pretty mortal to me. Know its wrong want to do it and wam it sounds like sex waiting to happen.
 
Uh? What is going on here? I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I feel like I’ve either walked into a Puritan convention here, or else ‘Scrupulosity Anonymous’.

Main point I would like to make here is that the OP is asking whether it is a sin or not. Not whether it is a holy thing to do or not. There’s a lot of stuff that is neither holy nor sinful.

True, there’s a good chance that no saint has ever done it. That doesn’t automatically make it sinful.

So the OP says he’d rather not explain it. Maybe because it’s embarrasing or because, regardless of whether it is actually sinful or not, the description may offend some forum users. That doesn’t necessarily make it sinful.

If Jesus or Mary was in the room? This has been explained not to be a valid argument against an action many times on this forum (maybe it should be in a sticky). For example, would you chat to a friend while you are before Jesus at Adoration? No. Does that mean chatting is a sin? No. Similarly with grinding, just because you wouldn’t do it in front of Jesus actually present, doesn’t make it a sin.

Post #9, I think it is, CCC quote. Seems to say grinding is not modesty. But, doesn’t say there that things which aren’t modesty are actually sin. (If there is a bit in the CCC that does say that, can you please post it).

As others have said, even if it is a sin, how could it possibly be mortal if we don’t actually have full knowledge that it is wrong?
However, another question is whether it is even grave matter. Why would you say that it is? A style of dance may mimic a sexual act but from what I’ve seen of grinding it is not a sexual act. That’s the only thing that I think could make it grave - either that, or, as I said in my earlier post, if it is a scandal. Otherwise mimicing and possible temptations doesn’t make something grave (or even necessarily sinful).
I have suffered scrupulosity in the past so that’s one reason why I like to take this tack of trying to explain that things aren’t necessarily sinful… but even without that, I still reckon that we shouldn’t say something is a sin unless we have a clear reason to say that it is (rather than saying, it just doesn’t seem right). By all means, call it not the best action, not recommended, call it a possible temptation to sin, call it maybe a sin, but I don’t think you should speak as if you are sure it is a sin when you are not.
 
I understand after reading this that the vast majority of people here think it is a sin but could someone explain to me the logic of WHY it is a sin, I can see it as a temptation but then again can’t any interaction with the opposite gender be a temptation? True it is to a lesser degree but nonetheless it still could be a temptation to a individual.

What sin is it if it is a sin and what evidence is their that it is a sin?
 
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