Is Guitar mass okay

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Loud-living-dogma said:
A longer discussion from the Vatican on the CCC which discusses music in the liturgy and references Sacrosanctum Concilium, and reiterates that the pipe organ should be held in high esteem.
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Not arguing for or against that. I have simply been pointing out all along that there is no binding Church teaching on musical instruments.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
I love to hear people in their 60s and 70s talk about how great it was to hear their first guitar mass in 1970 when they were a kid.
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Check your math. I am in my early 50s and I can remember the Folk Mass that my church offered us in the 70s. This Mass was offered in the Church Hall. There was not organ or even a piano. Guitars are easily portable. Many missionary churches do not have the space or money for organs.
 
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Loud-living-dogma:
The General Instruction of the Roman Missal spells out the Church’s norms.
Or should people just ignore the GIRM because the contents are not duplicated in the CCC?
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GIRM is not the Church teaching.
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So what do you think the GIRM is, then? Should Catholics disregard the instructions on how to implement the liturgy?
If that is the case, how are Catholics supposed to celebrate the liturgy? Just follow the CCC? Where it says to follow the norms of the Church?
 
No when I said it was the Church’s teaching that the organ was preferred ( my interpretation of the wording) you took exception to that.
 
Holding it in high esteem means no more than thinking it is good.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
Holding it in high esteem means no more than thinking it is good.
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Yes, “think it’s good”, but don’t use it, or allocate resources for quality music. No doubt that’s why that part about pipe organs is included.
 
What concerns me more is when a choir or instrumentalists can become more of a concert or performance than creating a reverent atmosphere To support the Mass. I see no reason why a choir or instruments need to be toward the front of the church or we need to see who is making the music. This is not a rare event in many churches.
 
Our choir is down front because we don’t have a choir loft.
 
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And there are instances where that is the case. That is understandable. But some can just as easily be located on the side or the back of the church just As easily. However, many choirs are situated as center stage, not out of necessity But by choice.
 
Technically, we are down front and off to the side.
 
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This is one of those threads that disagreement is inevitable. For me personally, this isn’t an issue because I attend Latin Mass at an FSSP parish. If a electric guitar showed up in his parish, I believe Fr. Joel would heave it out the front door onto Saratoga Street. But I digress.

At my niece’s parish, there’s an electric guitar, a large Marshall amp. and drum-set, all within feet of the altar where Mass is said. I myself couldn’t attend Mass there. Those instruments so near the Tabernacle are an enormous obstacle and distraction for me, and would preclude me from concentrating on the Mass. For some reason, I can’t even look at those instruments without picturing Jimmy Page and John Bonham stepping up on the stage and blazing away on them. Not something you want drifting through your mind at Church that’s for darn sure! But that’s just me.
 
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It’s too expensive to be used in average parishes, so intellectual assent is the most that can be acredited. If you want you can start a fundraiser and learn how to play the organ. An electric organ might be substantially cheaper, but there’s no way a pipe organ will become widespread.
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
Or should people just ignore the GIRM because the contents are not duplicated in the CCC?
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And what are parishes to do when there is no organ and/or no organist?

Is that parish “illegitimate?” Should it disband, and the faithful charter buses to travel to the closest parish that has an organ and an organist?
 
Mark121359 said:
For some reason, I can’t even look at those instruments without picturing Jimmy Page and John Bonham stepping up on the stage and blazing away on them. Not something you want drifting through your mind at Church that’s for darn sure! But that’s just me.
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Consider this–there are a lot of people who can’t look at or hear an organ without picturing a baseball game (U.S.A.), a horror movie with the Phantom of the Opera playing “Don Juan Triumphant”, or a roller skating rink.

Or hearing a rock band from the late 1950s/early 1960s–many of them used that “wah’wah” Hammond organ–sweet!
 
In EAstern Catholic pArishes it is always without instruments ( as per tradition) and voice only. And I have been at Latin Masses on occasion where they have done the same.
 
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