Is hand holding during the Our Father practiced outside the United States?

[Jon_S_1]

Italians? Americans? Asians? I still do not know who “they” is.

Is there a place I can watch the video showing the hand holding? There is a difference on who the they is. I doubt it was the priests. I suspect it was tourists in which case it very well could have been americans. I don’t know but I think a couple of Americans are in Rome during Holy week and leading up to DMS and the canonizations.

When I was in Rome you could spot an american right away. They were the ones holding hands during the our father and receiving in the hand.

No it was the people who got their feet washed. Italians including religious sisters in the front rows at a papal mass in Italy.

I posted the link above here it is again

youtu.be/dwmYUrZRgIQ

I know mind blown right!!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Here is the video. The Our Father is at 59:30

All the people in the front rows are holding hands. Most of the rest have their hands upright like the Pope and priests.

youtu.be/dwmYUrZRgIQ

Thank you and thank you for cuing it up for me. I know it is annoying sometimes when someone asks for the reference. I really appreciate it.

It would appear from the few shots I saw that the hand holding was only in the front row which would indicate that the front row was from a place that did this. One of the participants in a wheelchair had a t shirt that was in English but that would hardly be enough for sherlock holmes to deduce from.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Thank you and thank you for cuing it up for me. I know it is annoying sometimes when someone asks for the reference. I really appreciate it.

It would appear from the few shots I saw that the hand holding was only in the front row which would indicate that the front row was from a place that did this. One of the participants in a wheelchair had a t shirt that was in English but that would hardly be enough for sherlock holmes to deduce from.

The mass was celebrated at a Convalescent home in Rome. The people there in the wheelchairs and the sisters are from the convalescent home and have likely lived in Italy a long time.

The sisters are workers at the convalescent home.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

The mass was celebrated at a Convalescent home in Rome. The people there in the wheelchairs and the sisters are from the convalescent home and have likely lived in Italy a long time.

The sisters are workers at the convalescent home.

I see that now, interesting indeed.
When i was in italy about 2 years ago Italians would never hold hands.
From the Fox News article.

Of the 12 elderly and disabled people, nine were Italian, one was a Muslim from Libya, a young man from Cape Verde and an Ethiopian woman.

latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/04/17/watch-pope-francis-washes-feet-elderly-disabled-in-holy-thursday-rite/

Would like to know if the Muslim woman held hands.

Why were all the other people NOT doing it?

 

[Celtic_Maiden]

If I were at Mass with you, I have a feeling I’d give you a peck on the cheek. I would not, however, do that to anyone I didn’t have a rapport with.

It’s a local custom as to how one is greeted.

Now, I’ve seen hands held all over the world. This, too, seems to be a local parish custom. I’m not a hand holder, but in order for Mass to be actually less “about me,” I will acquiesce to the hand holding initiator.

I’ll do it because I need that reminder to balance personal worship with community worship.

I do it based on a parable of a Desert Father who was gracious to guests who interrupted his solitude and sacred space; no matter what he was doing, he saw a way to serve Christ in the other person, even if it meant stopping prayerful communio with Christ. That may not be everyone’s charism, but it’s a way to practice charity, submission of will, and humility.

I personally find it disgusting to go and kiss your husband during Mass, this is not the time nor the place for that sort of thing, its about following the LITURGY AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. The Mass is not about feely, touchy, its about friendship. The Mass is meant to be the same around the world except for the different Language it is said in. This is why we would not have this abuse in the Extraordinary Rite.
Its not up to Lay people to tell the Church what they will do and not do during Mass, its about prayer and worship, have these people been overtaken by some Protestant Churches, not in keeping with what is prescribed by the Catholic Church. Would Cradle Catholics please stop causing scandal to new Converts who in a lot of cases know more what and what not should be done.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I personally find it disgusting to go and kiss your husband during Mass, this is not the time nor the place for that sort of thing, its about following the LITURGY AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. The Mass is not about feely, touchy, its about friendship. The Mass is meant to be the same around the world except for the different Language it is said in. This is why we would not have this abuse in the Extraordinary Rite.
Its not up to Lay people to tell the Church what they will do and not do during Mass, its about prayer and worship, have these people been overtaken by some Protestant Churches, not in keeping with what is prescribed by the Catholic Church. Would Cradle Catholics please stop causing scandal to new Converts who in a lot of cases know more what and what not should be done.

Devils advocate here.

Until very recently the “sign of peace” was called the “kiss of peace” Historically more times than not people kissed each other as a greeting at Mass.

 

[RetreatFan]

I’m originally from Latin America and over there everybody does it. We do also raise our hands towards heaven at the “yours is the kingdom, the power and the glory” part. I never thought anything of it until I came here. Most, if not all, Spanish-speaking congregations where I’ve been here in the U.S. (I live in NYC) also do it. The orantes position during prayer is also very common among latin-american catholics.

 

[Jon_S_1]

I personally find it disgusting to go and kiss your husband during Mass, this is not the time nor the place for that sort of thing, its about following the LITURGY AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. The Mass is not about feely, touchy, its about friendship. The Mass is meant to be the same around the world except for the different Language it is said in. This is why we would not have this abuse in the Extraordinary Rite.
Its not up to Lay people to tell the Church what they will do and not do during Mass, its about prayer and worship, have these people been overtaken by some Protestant Churches, not in keeping with what is prescribed by the Catholic Church. Would Cradle Catholics please stop causing scandal to new Converts who in a lot of cases know more what and what not should be done.

Wow…

You seriously need to chill out.

You realize 50% (at least ) of the world greets each other with a kiss??

Disgusting. Please.

As for your claims this is Protestant influence. You have no idea.

My old evangelical church has people with their flip flop feet up on the seats in front of them eating donuts and drinking lattes during the service. Not once did I ever hold hands with the person next to me to pray. 30 years Protestant in a variety of churches… Not once.

A Protestant service is like going to a theater for a play or movie. They have concession stands and you sit and enjoy the show.

The liturgy doesn’t prescribe everything.

Can you scratch your back? Cough ? Wipe your nose ? Cry? Cross your legs? Share your missal with the person next to you?

Your tone is unreasonable and appalling.

 

[Jon_S_1]

I personally find it disgusting to go and kiss your husband during Mass, this is not the time nor the place for that sort of thing, its about following the LITURGY AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. The Mass is not about feely, touchy, its about friendship. The Mass is meant to be the same around the world except for the different Language it is said in. This is why we would not have this abuse in the Extraordinary Rite.
Its not up to Lay people to tell the Church what they will do and not do during Mass, its about prayer and worship, have these people been overtaken by some Protestant Churches, not in keeping with what is prescribed by the Catholic Church. Would Cradle Catholics please stop causing scandal to new Converts who in a lot of cases know more what and what not should be done.

You should note that this is called the kiss of peace. We are all supposed to kiss each other.

Hand shaking and a wave is a modern invention.

Interestingly enough…it was the PROTESTANT QUAKERS who popularized hand shaking in church.

Who is following Protestant influence now !!

In the early centuries the kiss of peace was exchanged between the clergy: clergy kissing the bishop, lay men kissing laymen, and women kissing the women, according to the Apostolic Constitutions. Today the kiss of love is exchanged between concelebrating priests. Such has been the case for centuries. In a few Orthodox dioceses in the world in the last few decades, the kiss of peace between laymen has attempted to be reinstituted, usually as a handshake, hugging or cheek kissing.

Presently, the greeting is not normally shared as a kiss in English-speaking cultures, but by shaking hands or performing some other greeting gesture (such as an embrace) more in tune with the culture and time. Handshaking was popularised by Quakers as a sign of equality under God.[citation needed] The passage Galatians 2.9d: “They gave me and Barnabas their right hands of fellowship” (Greek: δεξὰς ἔδωκαν ἐμοὶ καὶ Βαρναβᾷ κοινωνίας) is interpreted by some[citation needed] as a handshake or embracing.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_of_peace

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I personally find it disgusting to go and kiss your husband during Mass, this is not the time nor the place for that sort of thing, its about following the LITURGY AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. The Mass is not about feely, touchy, its about friendship. The Mass is meant to be the same around the world except for the different Language it is said in. This is why we would not have this abuse in the Extraordinary Rite.
Its not up to Lay people to tell the Church what they will do and not do during Mass, its about prayer and worship, have these people been overtaken by some Protestant Churches, not in keeping with what is prescribed by the Catholic Church. Would Cradle Catholics please stop causing scandal to new Converts who in a lot of cases know more what and what not should be done.

I detest the hand holding phenomenon. I think it is a laziness and a lack of Catechesis that it communicates to the world. I don’t subscribe to feel good butterflies and pansies theology. I would never hold hands during the our father and to get me to do it would take the Pope himself standing next to me at Mass, and even then, I would give my hand the slimey shake off afterward.
And while I don’t think a case can be made for doing it, it certainly does not warrant the type of vitriol you have for it. Don’t we have bigger fish to fry?

 

[johnmann]

There are those who love holding hands. There are those who don’t like it but go along with it. There are those who don’t like it, won’t go along with it, but don’t think it’s a big deal. Finally, there are those who think holding hands is Satan trying to desecrate the Mass and believe that all that which is not prescribed is proscribed, which logically must include folding hands during the Our Father. Only that last group is clearly wrong.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

There are those who love holding hands. There are those who don’t like it but go along with it. There are those who don’t like it, won’t go along with it, but don’t think it’s a big deal. Finally, there are those who think holding hands is Satan trying to desecrate the Mass and believe that all that which is not prescribed is proscribed, which logically must include folding hands during the Our Father. Only that last group is clearly wrong.

Only in your opinion. What if we find out that they are right. I am not willing to say either group is clearly “wrong” though there are ones I agree with more than others. Luckily any one of those views can be held by a faithful Holy Catholic. Even the “wrong” one.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Only in your opinion. What if we find out that they are right. I am not willing to say either group is clearly “wrong” though there are ones I agree with more than others. Luckily any one of those views can be held by a faithful Holy Catholic. Even the “wrong” one.

Well according to the GIRM no posture is declared. So according to those who feel anything not prescribed is proscribed, they best keep their hands at their sides.

 

[johnmann]

Only in your opinion. What if we find out that they are right. I am not willing to say either group is clearly “wrong” though there are ones I agree with more than others. Luckily any one of those views can be held by a faithful Holy Catholic. Even the “wrong” one.

Preferences aside, those who think holding hands is officially endorsed in any way and those who think it’s illicit are both objectively wrong.

 

[johnmann]

Well according to the GIRM no posture is declared. So according to those who feel anything not prescribed is proscribed, they best keep their hands at their sides.

Where in the rubrics does it say we should keep our hands at our sides? That’s a liturgical abuse probably started by anti-social types who think the Mass is a solitary celebration. It’s “Our Father,” not, “My Father.” People need to stop this ghastly practice of keeping their hands at their sides.

[/sarcasm]

 

[CruceSignati]

I’m in Canada and I think every parish I have been to does the hand holding thing. About two thirds raise their hands for the last part of it. At one summer camp that I go to, they have everyone stay holding hands after the Our Father and when it is time for the sign of peace, everyone just squeezes the hand they are holding and in the words of the camp director, “It’s kind of like a chain where you are giving the sign of peace to everyone.”

Another time at my home parish, I was just quietly standing there with my hands folded during the Our Father and the old lady next to me grabbed my arm and proceeded to hold my hand.

 

[Sunbreak]

No .

They did it during the Mass on Holy Thursday at which Pope Francis was the leading celebrant .

I don’t see why people have problems with it .

I have problems with it because it reminds me of the nursery rhyme “ring around the rosy, pocket full of posy…” where all the little kids join hands and dance around. I wouldn’t grab some stranger’s hand in the grocery store or in a work situation, so I’m not about to do it in church.

 

[johnmann]

Another time at my home parish, I was just quietly standing there with my hands folded during the Our Father and the old lady next to me grabbed my arm and proceeded to hold my hand.

A friend once got visible upset that I didn’t hold her hand. I fold my hands and look down to hopefully send the signal that I’m not up for holding hands. But when it’s clearly expected like one time when a woman poked me, I comply. I don’t like holding hands but it’s much worse to make others feel rejected. Likewise during the Sign of Peace, I nod or wave and only shake hands when a hand is offered.

 

[Jon_S_1]

I have problems with it because it reminds me of the nursery rhyme “ring around the rosy, pocket full of posy…” where all the little kids join hands and dance around. I wouldn’t grab some stranger’s hand in the grocery store or in a work situation, so I’m not about to do it in church.

I don’t want to single you out but this comment and many others regarding this topic indicate an underlying problem in the Christian life.

We are not called to live within ourselves or to not show affection to strangers.

We are not to be the first two guys in the story of the Good Samaritan who walked by because it “was against the rules” to be near an injured person, or to go near someone different than us.

We are to be the one who does show kindness and affection to strangers.

This is not to say I go up to random people and hold their hands, but I see an underlying heart attitude here.

Like pope Francis kissing the tumor faced person and other “untouchables”. We need to be like that.

 

[johnmann]

I have problems with it because it reminds me of the nursery rhyme “ring around the rosy, pocket full of posy…” where all the little kids join hands and dance around. I wouldn’t grab some stranger’s hand in the grocery store or in a work situation, so I’m not about to do it in church.

It reminds of the march at Selma.
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I wouldn’t kneel at the grocery store or in a work situation so I’m not about to do it in church. There are lots of goods reasons not to hold hands but I can’t see the logic in comparing Mass to grocery shopping.