Is happiness a moral obligation?

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While listening to a radio program across several weeks (Dennis Prager), I came to enjoy listening to a regular hour he has in which he talks about happiness. It is his view that happiness is a moral obligation.

I have given this much thought and think he may be on to something. What do you think?
 
While listening to a radio program across several weeks (Dennis Prager), I came to enjoy listening to a regular hour he has in which he talks about happiness. It is his view that happiness is a moral obligation.

I have given this much thought and think he may be on to something. What do you think?
I think he’s on to something. Joyce Meyer (not a Catholic) but pretty sane also says we can’t let other people’s bad choices make our lives miserable. Jesus told us not to let our hearts be troubled. It’s all related. Living in fear is not the sane way to live. The devil wants us to live in fear. If we live in fear, we’re miserable. If we’re miserable, we spread misery.
 
Happiness as an emotional state is not a moral obligation. However, I would contend that happiness reached by living a rational life and a life of faith in accordance with what God has revealed and what human nature consists of is most certainly a moral obligation. We were made with the capacity to know and love God. Real, lasting happiness occurs when we are in union with God for eternity in heaven. So the whole aim of human existence is happiness.

See here:
newadvent.org/summa/2001.htm
newadvent.org/summa/2002.htm

-ACEGC
 
We must be very careful not to assume that any particular emotional state is ours by right if we but follow God’s laws. Certainly following God’s laws removes many of the obstacles to happiness - namely those that are a consequence of separating ourselves from God. But even if we do follow God’s laws, happiness, as understood by the secular world, is not a guarantee. Some of us are challenged by God to endure great trials. Some of these trials include the mental anguish of the loss of a loved one, or the pain of depression. Having these things does not mean we are necessarily out of favor with God. I doubt if Jesus felt happy as he hung on the cross for our sins. And in the midst of all his suffering, he also had to endure the feeling of abandonment by God (“My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”)

So we can hope for a happier life by living for God, but we should not be too surprised if continual bliss is not ours in this life.
 
Good points. Emotional happiness is far different than contentment with our state in life.
 
Dennis is quite good but be aware that he is an ordained Rabbi and some of his philosophy is not at all aligned with Catholic teaching. Much of his morality and philosopy seems to be based on simple obedience to the Old Testament mosaic law.

His book on male sexuality recommends auto erotic behavior (masturbation) as a means to fight lack of self control within marriage. He is also aggressively pro-death penalty, going as far as to state that those who are against the death penalty “Have blood on their hands” if a killer gets out of jail and kills again, that those who are opposed to the death penalty somehow bear some of the blame for the murder having taken place. He is also a literal six-day creationist.

Again, Dennis is very good, not at all the steriotypical angry right-wing talk show host like some of the others. He and Bill Bennet are my favorites. I had not thought about his claim during the “Happiness hour” that happiness is a moral obligation but coming from the rabbinical Old Testament perspective of the mosaic law, I’m not suprised. Dennis makes a good point, that those who are habitually gloomy, dour and negative often make themselves so and tend to try to ruin everyone elses happiness. His stance is that these people need to get real, realize that God does not promise a perfect life and get over it.

In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23)
Personally however, I’d rather be under grace than have someone tell me that happiness is a moral obligation. Chritians have something better, true joy, which does not require Dennis Prager to tell us that there is a lawful obligation to be happy.

-Tim-
 
Dennis makes a good point, that those who are habitually gloomy, dour and negative often make themselves so and tend to try to ruin everyone elses happiness.
I agree with this, but…
His stance is that these people need to get real, realize that God does not promise a perfect life and get over it.
…IMO this is easier said than done. It sort of implies that it is like flipping a light switch when in reality it is more like telling a heavy-set person to lose 100 pounds or a lifelong smoker to stop smoking cold-turkey.
 
I love Dennis Prager’s show, but never, ever, ever, ever, get any of your moral theology from a radio talk show, unless maybe it’s a trusted theologian on a Catholic program. They’re all pretty bad in this arena. It just isn’t what they do.

Also, they use many words differently than we do and that can be confusing. He doesn’t mean moral obligation the way we mean no meat on Friday in Lent.
 
Dennis is quite good but be aware that he is an ordained Rabbi and some of his philosophy is not at all aligned with Catholic teaching. Much of his morality and philosopy seems to be based on simple obedience to the Old Testament mosaic law.

His book on male sexuality recommends auto erotic behavior (masturbation) as a means to fight lack of self control within marriage. He is also aggressively pro-death penalty, going as far as to state that those who are against the death penalty “Have blood on their hands” if a killer gets out of jail and kills again, that those who are opposed to the death penalty somehow bear some of the blame for the murder having taken place. He is also a literal six-day creationist.

Again, Dennis is very good, not at all the steriotypical angry right-wing talk show host like some of the others. He and Bill Bennet are my favorites. I had not thought about his claim during the “Happiness hour” that happiness is a moral obligation but coming from the rabbinical Old Testament perspective of the mosaic law, I’m not suprised. Dennis makes a good point, that those who are habitually gloomy, dour and negative often make themselves so and tend to try to ruin everyone elses happiness. His stance is that these people need to get real, realize that God does not promise a perfect life and get over it.
In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23)
Personally however, I’d rather be under grace than have someone tell me that happiness is a moral obligation. Chritians have something better, true joy, which does not require Dennis Prager to tell us that there is a lawful obligation to be happy.

-Tim-
I’ve listened to Dennis for years, going back to his Religion on the Line radio program in LA. Each Sunday night he would have 3 guests, a Catholic priest, Protestant minister, and a Rabbi. He would propose a topic for conversation get the various perspectives and listeners could call in. Very interesting show. I would be very surprised to learn that Dennis is a literal 6 day creationist. I’m sure you’re aware that Catholics haven’t always been against the death penalty. The current position is that given the vast resources of the modern state to incarcerate murderers and prevent them from killing again, the death penalty really isn’t necessary. Not inflicting it also allows a person extra time that might be needed to repent before God’s inevitable judgement. Even today though, there might still be hypothetical primitive societies with limited resources where Dennis’ position does not violate Catholic morality.
 
Dennis is quite good but be aware that he is an ordained Rabbi and some of his philosophy is not at all aligned with Catholic teaching. Much of his morality and philosopy seems to be based on simple obedience to the Old Testament mosaic law.

His book on male sexuality recommends auto erotic behavior (masturbation) as a means to fight lack of self control within marriage. He is also aggressively pro-death penalty, going as far as to state that those who are against the death penalty “Have blood on their hands” if a killer gets out of jail and kills again, that those who are opposed to the death penalty somehow bear some of the blame for the murder having taken place. He is also a literal six-day creationist.

Again, Dennis is very good, not at all the steriotypical angry right-wing talk show host like some of the others. He and Bill Bennet are my favorites. I had not thought about his claim during the “Happiness hour” that happiness is a moral obligation but coming from the rabbinical Old Testament perspective of the mosaic law, I’m not suprised. Dennis makes a good point, that those who are habitually gloomy, dour and negative often make themselves so and tend to try to ruin everyone elses happiness. His stance is that these people need to get real, realize that God does not promise a perfect life and get over it.

In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23)
Personally however, I’d rather be under grace than have someone tell me that happiness is a moral obligation. Chritians have something better, true joy, which does not require Dennis Prager to tell us that there is a lawful obligation to be happy.

-Tim-
This topic has nothing to do with Dennis’ faith. I think he is correct, that happiness is a moral obligation. In other words, I believe even when we do not feel happy (which is frequent in this life, right?), then we still have the obligation to act happy to all people around us. It is immoral, imo, to bring people down just because we feel unhappy, which means even when we are not happy we should still present a happy demeanor to those around us (for their sake, and for ours).

Quite often if a person feels unhappy, if they force themselves to act happy, the action will take hold and they will begin to feel much better.

Now, there are extenuating circumstances in which people simply cannot act happy, those are completely understandable, yet in general I think the notion of acting happy is a moral obligation.

In many ways I think Dennis has a very Catholic pov regarding happiness. We should not be placing our misery or unhappiness on other people…that is very Christ-like actually.
 
I don’t think Jesus was happy when the money changers were in the synagogue
 
While listening to a radio program across several weeks (Dennis Prager), I came to enjoy listening to a regular hour he has in which he talks about happiness. It is his view that happiness is a moral obligation.

I have given this much thought and think he may be on to something. What do you think?
Happiness is not a moral obligation but something we naturally strive for. If I were you I would listen to the following presentation by Prof. Peter Kreeft:
Christ’s Concept of Happiness vs The World’s
 
I don’t think Jesus was happy when the money changers were in the synagogue
This is not about times when being upset or even angry with someone is a just reaction. Jesus obviously had a just reaction to the money changers.
 
Happiness is not a moral obligation but something we naturally strive for.
I disagree. I believe that happiness is a moral obligation because we do NOT have the right to put our unhappiness on someone else. As I stated above, there are, of course, exceptions to this with extreme situations making it impossible for people to act happy. The point of this thread is not about the extreme situations in our life, the point is that in a general sense we should always act happy even if we are not…and we should strive to be actually happy. This is especially true for Catholics, who have the blessings of all Christ gave the world and we have the blessing of having great hope of one day being with Jesus and others in Heaven.

Catholics, imo, rarely act like they know what they have. If we lived a life knowing what it is we have been given…then our natural response would be joy. We are also called to help spread the Gospel, it is very difficult to attract other people to Christ if we are not acting joyful and happy.

These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. [JOHN 15:11]​
 
We also have to be careful when we say that we should all strive for happiness. I start hearing the classic tune ‘Don’t worry, be happy’ from back in the day. As many mentioned already, true and lasting happiness comes from God alone. We attain that insofar as we are continuously living a life that move us towards greater union with God. Even after reaching complete union with God in this life does not ensure that we will feel happiness (if we think of it as warm fuzzes), look at Blessed Mother Teresa as an example; she was totally a saint by the life she led but at the same time felt absolutely no consolation. Her happiness was in knowing that she was doing God’s will for her in her life as best as she could.
 
We also have to be careful when we say that we should all strive for happiness. I start hearing the classic tune ‘Don’t worry, be happy’ from back in the day. As many mentioned already, true and lasting happiness comes from God alone. We attain that insofar as we are continuously living a life that move us towards greater union with God. Even after reaching complete union with God in this life does not ensure that we will feel happiness (if we think of it as warm fuzzes), look at Blessed Mother Teresa as an example; she was totally a saint by the life she led but at the same time felt absolutely no consolation. Her happiness was in knowing that she was doing God’s will for her in her life as best as she could.
Blessed Mother is a wonderful example. Despite her personal torments, she presented an incredibly joyful demeanor to the world. Most people were truly shocked when they learned of her personal torments because she hid them from us so very well. She expressed joy because she knew who she had joy in–Jesus Christ. This is precisely my point…we should act happy even when we are not at all happy.
 
I disagree. I believe that happiness is a moral obligation because we do NOT have the right to put our unhappiness on someone else…
Then you don’t really disagree with what Christiano wrote. Your observation could be restated as saying that we have a moral obligation not to unduly burden others with a bad mood that is of our own choosing. That is consistent with saying that happiness is something we strive for. If we were to deliberately turn aside from happiness, then we would not be striving for it. If are unhappy despite our efforts to strive for it, that in itself is no moral fault of ours.

I think we need to make a distinction between being happy and striving for happiness. Maybe we can all agree that we have a moral obligation to strive for happiness, but not a moral obligation to BE happy.
 
Then you don’t really disagree with what Christiano wrote. Your observation could be restated as saying that we have a moral obligation not to unduly burden others with a bad mood that is of our own choosing. That is consistent with saying that happiness is something we strive for. If we were to deliberately turn aside from happiness, then we would not be striving for it. If are unhappy despite our efforts to strive for it, that in itself is no moral fault of ours.

I think we need to make a distinction between being happy and striving for happiness. Maybe we can all agree that we have a moral obligation to strive for happiness, but not a moral obligation to BE happy.
My point is both from a Catholic pov, and just from a practical living pov. In my view we should act happy even when we are not. It is easy to put on a happy face to others when we actually are happy–much more difficult when we are sad. It makes for a much better life for everyone if we all act happy even in the face of trials and sadness.
 
I disagree. I believe that happiness is a moral obligation because we do NOT have the right to put our unhappiness on someone else. As I stated above, there are, of course, exceptions to this with extreme situations making it impossible for people to act happy. The point of this thread is not about the extreme situations in our life, the point is that in a general sense we should always act happy even if we are not…and we should strive to be actually happy. This is especially true for Catholics, who have the blessings of all Christ gave the world and we have the blessing of having great hope of one day being with Jesus and others in Heaven.

Catholics, imo, rarely act like they know what they have. If we lived a life knowing what it is we have been given…then our natural response would be joy. We are also called to help spread the Gospel, it is very difficult to attract other people to Christ if we are not acting joyful and happy.

These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. [JOHN 15:11]​
I still do not understand how it can be a moral obligation. Happiness is not a behavior. It is a state and we have a predisposition toward it. Moral obligations are just dictated by natural law and natural law dictates proper behaviors not states. Pursuit of happiness is the fundamental right of a natural drive. Are you saying that the pursuit of happiness is an obligation like feeding yourself to stay alive? If you are saying that then I agree with you. But a doing something morally right goes beyond that and it is based on three elements 1- doing something right, 2- doing it with the proper intent, 3- doing it under the proper circumstances. Morality is a tool that drives toward happiness. I am talking of happiness as in Eudaimonia.
 
My point is both from a Catholic pov, and just from a practical living pov. In my view we should act happy even when we are not. It is easy to put on a happy face to others when we actually are happy–much more difficult when we are sad. It makes for a much better life for everyone if we all act happy even in the face of trials and sadness.
There is a lot of truth to what you say. But even that principle has its limitations. Especially with those that are very close to us, who love us and want to help share our burdens, for these people we have a debt of truth to share concerns. A husband who refuses to let his wife know that he is worried about the family finances is not doing much good for the marital relationship by putting on an Academy Award winning performance of the “happy husband”. This particular act is a strong temptation for men who have a certain idea about what constitutes a “real man” who takes care of all his family’s problems. On the other hand, a man who complains to his wife about every ache and pain he feels is not doing right by happiness either.
 
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