Is Harry Potter Initiating Children Into Magic, Wicca, Witchcraft & Satanism?

[Miles_Mariae]

Use some common sense. Where did I even mention his family getting killed?

Okay, the reasonable (and humorous) discussion has dwindled and now I’m left talking with the backwash. Enjoy the rest of the thread.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

What is your opinion about the material the video presents? Should we let our kids read and watch Harry Potter?

The short answer is ‘Yes.’

I have seldom read a more CHRISTIAN series of books.

 

[adstrinity]

My signature. See it. OBEY it.

Thank you.

 

[mommyof4]

Oh, goody. We haven’t had a “is Harry Potter evil?” thread in what? A week or so?

No, as a HP lover and mother of 4 girls who have all read the books, I’d say no, the books are NOT evil. They are fantasy/fiction.

 

[Catholic_89]

I know this has been a topic of debate for some time, but anyone who says that the books are Christian might be looking to hard

“Rowling has stated that she struggles with her own beliefs. In an interview with the Today Show in July 2007, she said, “…until we reached Book Seven, views of what happens after death and so on…would give away a lot of what was coming. So … yes, my belief and my struggling with religious belief and so on I think is quite apparent in this book.”[101]”

The danger in all this comes in not realizing what kind of affects media (music, movies, tv, books etc) has on us. To deny this is to deny human nature. This is the problem. Everyone thinks, ‘oh it is just a movie’, or ‘it is just a book’, but no, it is not just that. It has influence, and it doesn’t point in the right direction.

It all started with Harry Potter (probably even before that), and then we got to Dan Brown’s “FICTIONAL” novels, and then we got the Golden Compass made into a movie, and I’m sure there will be something after that. The line keeps on getting pushed because no one stands their ground. They say, oh, but I like these books, so lets make excuses for it so that we can justify supporting them. One day, we will stand and look back and wonder how on earth we got to this point. Harry Potter was just the beginning.

If a teenager was to read these books, one that was having a lot of troubles, and was to come to the realization that yes witchcraft is possible, what is stopping them from going over to the library and getting a book on witchcraft? What is stopping them from entering into it? Where did they get the idea? Losing one soul to witchcraft is far worse than having no Harry Potter at all. I have no regrets with not taking part in the Harry Potter craze.

Having said that, there is no need to debate anymore because whats done is done.

God bless.

 

[maria29]

Agreed-and ill have to admit she didnt take it very well…

Did you bounce her in the air a few times too like Malfroy was ? I’m still waiting for a tour of London that includes Diagon Alley. Can someone also tell me where to get a broomstick that flies, since it says in Harry Potter that they exist I must be able to find one somewhere?

And for those of you who appreciate Harry Potter the new trailer for the movie is on YouTube and IMDB.

 

[dkoinzan]

I know this has been a topic of debate for some time, but anyone who says that the books are Christian might be looking to hard

“Rowling has stated that she struggles with her own beliefs. In an interview with the Today Show in July 2007, she said, “…until we reached Book Seven, views of what happens after death and so on…would give away a lot of what was coming. So … yes, my belief and my struggling with religious belief and so on I think is quite apparent in this book.”[101]”

The danger in all this comes in not realizing what kind of affects media (music, movies, tv, books etc) has on us. To deny this is to deny human nature. This is the problem. Everyone thinks, ‘oh it is just a movie’, or ‘it is just a book’, but no, it is not just that. It has influence, and it doesn’t point in the right direction.

It all started with Harry Potter (probably even before that), and then we got to Dan Brown’s “FICTIONAL” novels, and then we got the Golden Compass made into a movie, and I’m sure there will be something after that. The line keeps on getting pushed because no one stands their ground. They say, oh, but I like these books, so lets make excuses for it so that we can justify supporting them. One day, we will stand and look back and wonder how on earth we got to this point. Harry Potter was just the beginning.

If a teenager was to read these books, one that was having a lot of troubles, and was to come to the realization that yes witchcraft is possible, what is stopping them from going over to the library and getting a book on witchcraft? What is stopping them from entering into it? Where did they get the idea? Losing one soul to witchcraft is far worse than having no Harry Potter at all. I have no regrets with not taking part in the Harry Potter craze.

Having said that, there is no need to debate anymore because whats done is done.

God bless.

 

[Consecrated]

Here we go again with the HP topic. I’m amazed it generates such interest while no one seems concerned about the possible demonic influences of movies such as “Dark Knight” , “The Hills Have Eyes” or even “Hannibal Lecter Movies”

To me these (and others like them) are obvious dangers… the trouble with HP is that it can be an insidious, subtle danger. One that might have effects that won’t be seen for a while. ya know? I mean for instance, do your examples show occult beliefs/actions as innocent and harmless? Um, nope. Just my thoughts on it. Plus I personally just don’t like the HP character. I think he’s arrogant and self absorbed-- not a good role model, plain and simple. <<JUST MY OPINION.

I’m not virulently anti-Potter, but I certainly don’t think that a child’s classical education is incomplete without them. One can go through their whole life without cracking one Rowling book, and never miss a thing. OTOH, I do believe that to have NO knowledge of Dickens, Tolkien, Lewis, or any of the other giants of literature would be a loss for that person. Not a loss that would affect their chances at Eternal Life, but a loss nonetheless.

 

[Consecrated]

Did you bounce her in the air a few times too like Malfroy was ? I’m still waiting for a tour of London that includes Diagon Alley. Can someone also tell me where to get a broomstick that flies, since it says in Harry Potter that they exist I must be able to find one somewhere?

And for those of you who appreciate Harry Potter the new trailer for the movie is on YouTube and IMDB.

OMGoodness… that’s funny! But seriously, the danger in my view is NOT that children will start believing in the obviously fanciful parts of the books, but that the more central, inward themes (the lack of a higher, benevolent, God-like power, we are in charge of our own destiny, there is a secret knowledge that we can aspire to to get ahead, children can be smarter, more savvy, than adults, etc.) will start to work their way into impressionable minds. kwim?

 

[purelovemmc]

I know this has been a topic of debate for some time, but anyone who says that the books are Christian might be looking to hard

“Rowling has stated that she struggles with her own beliefs. In an interview with the Today Show in July 2007, she said, “…until we reached Book Seven, views of what happens after death and so on…would give away a lot of what was coming. So … yes, my belief and my struggling with religious belief and so on I think is quite apparent in this book.”[101]”

The danger in all this comes in not realizing what kind of affects media (music, movies, tv, books etc) has on us. To deny this is to deny human nature. This is the problem. Everyone thinks, ‘oh it is just a movie’, or ‘it is just a book’, but no, it is not just that. It has influence, and it doesn’t point in the right direction.

It all started with Harry Potter (probably even before that), and then we got to Dan Brown’s “FICTIONAL” novels, and then we got the Golden Compass made into a movie, and I’m sure there will be something after that. The line keeps on getting pushed because no one stands their ground. They say, oh, but I like these books, so lets make excuses for it so that we can justify supporting them. One day, we will stand and look back and wonder how on earth we got to this point. Harry Potter was just the beginning.

If a teenager was to read these books, one that was having a lot of troubles, and was to come to the realization that yes witchcraft is possible, what is stopping them from going over to the library and getting a book on witchcraft? What is stopping them from entering into it? Where did they get the idea? Losing one soul to witchcraft is far worse than having no Harry Potter at all. I have no regrets with not taking part in the Harry Potter craze.

Having said that, there is no need to debate anymore because whats done is done.

God bless.

That is an amazing insight. You have great arguments.

“STOP PUSHING THE LIMIT.”

God Bless.

 

[Sierrah]

Dark Knight is about the triumph of the principled hero (Batman). It doesn’t have premarital sex, it casts the deranged society in a negative light, etc. The only hangup is the violence - but there’s nothing inherently wrong with the movie.

Best movie I’ve seen in a long time, anyhow.

My stepmother had to leave because of the violence in the film and she’s a nurse well used to blood and gore. Even my dad who loves action flicks, Alien, Preditor, and 300 said it was way too voilent for him.

 

[buckr02]

My stepmother had to leave because of the violence in the film and she’s a nurse well used to blood and gore. Even my dad who loves action flicks, Alien, Preditor, and 300 said it was way too voilent for him.

He loves 300 yet said “The Dark Knight” was too violent?? That just doesn’t make sense.

 

[Catholic_89]

My stepmother had to leave because of the violence in the film and she’s a nurse well used to blood and gore. Even my dad who loves action flicks, Alien, Preditor, and 300 said it was way too voilent for him.

Really? I actually left happy that there was no blood or gore. I agree that it was dark, and perhaps violent, and in fact, they could have made it very bloody and gory, but didnt because that wasn’t the point. But perhaps everyone takes to these scenes differently. But I can’t think of any bloody or gory scenes, except for Two-face’s other half of the face, which is pretty gross, but clearly computerized.

God bless

 

[Sierrah]

Usually my dad and I like the same movies and since he didn’t care much for this one and I hated the first Batman movie in this series I’ve avoided watching it. I think what my dad objected too was the context of the violence. I did see 300 which I agree is over the top but there’s a point to the violence in the fact that the Greeks were defending their home against hords or invadors whereas maybe in Batman the Joker kills for the fun of it. I’m only going by what I saw from the first movie which seemed kind of pointless to me.

Anyway HP is on a whole other plane and shouldn’t be taken so seriously.

 

[Miles_Mariae]

My stepmother had to leave because of the violence in the film and she’s a nurse well used to blood and gore. Even my dad who loves action flicks, Alien, Preditor, and 300 said it was way too voilent for him.

Oh come on, every really violent scene in Dark Knight is cut off before any gore can be shown. Right as Joker does someone in, or Two-Face shoots someone, the camera always cuts to something else. The one startling scene is when Joker hangs the fake Batman right outside of the window.

At least there were no half-naked men stabbing and hacking at each other, pushing people into bottomless pits, making a tree of corpses, etc.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

OMGoodness… that’s funny! But seriously, the danger in my view is NOT that children will start believing in the obviously fanciful parts of the books, but that the more central, inward themes (the lack of a higher, benevolent, God-like power, we are in charge of our own destiny, there is a secret knowledge that we can aspire to to get ahead, children can be smarter, more savvy, than adults, etc.) will start to work their way into impressionable minds. kwim?

None of that is in the book.

They mention GOD many times in the last volume.

 

[dkoinzan]

None of that is in the book.

They mention GOD many times in the last volume.

That’s odd because I read several of the books and all that was in them. I must admit I didn’t bother reading the last one because I felt it was a total waist of my time.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

So you missed the whole point about mortal sin separating us from God and the whole King’s Cross bit.

It was a children’s book, but as the series progressed and the protagonists aged, the phiosophy presented became more complex.

 

[dkoinzan]

The means just didn’t justify the end.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I beg to differ.