Is having homosexual acts illegal in a country correct or incorrect?

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PelagiathePenit said:
Why shouldn’t other sins be criminalized? I feel that is a complete invasion of privacy. No one should know who is committing sodomy. How will you catch them? A nosy neighbor perhaps. People will always win regardless of laws.
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I meant people will always sin regardless.
 
Laws against sodomy have quite a long history in Catholic and other Christian countries. Of course it didn’t prevent some people from engaging in such practices, but it contributed to an environment where such things were looked upon by both secular law and the church as being morally reprehensible.
 
Seamus_L said:
Laws against sodomy have quite a long history in Catholic and other Christian countries. Of course it didn’t prevent some people from engaging in such practices, but it contributed to an environment where such things were looked upon by both secular law and the church as being morally reprehensible.
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Hey, Seamus,

You posted this in another thread:
Seamus_L said:
Comments like that are the reason an Orthodox friend of mine said he could never become Catholic. He believed we change the rules every so many years.
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I responded with:
PRmerger said:
Did you ask him about the new Orthodox view on divorce?
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Could you please address this?
 
That’s not the topic of this thread PRmerge, but I believe he’s of a similar opinion to most Protestants in believing that divorce and remarriage is permissable in the case of adultery, desertion.
 
Seamus_L said:
That’s not the topic of this thread PRmerge,
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I understand that.

Perhaps if you had simply gone to the original post where you had not responded?
but I believe he’s of a similar opinion to most Protestants in believing that divorce and remarriage is permissable in the case of adultery, desertion.
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Then you will be in a good position to tell him that he has no leg to stand on in objecting to the CC putatively changing her teachings…for the Orthodox have done that.

3 marriages are permissible!

That’s just crazy!
 
Before anyone makes the usual silly comment about installing cameras in bedrooms to catch all sorts of sinners, it should be stated that we’re referring to people who make there sins public.
 
Seamus_L said:
Laws against sodomy have quite a long history in Catholic and other Christian countries. Of course it didn’t prevent some people from engaging in such practices, but it contributed to an environment where such things were looked upon by both secular law and the church as being morally reprehensible.
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Did you know that in England Sodomy laws were introduced by Henry VIII in order to steal land from monasteries? That’s why Queen Mary got rid of them (only to have Queen Elizabeth restore them. Meanwhile the Bishops of England and Wales advocated repealing the sodomy laws from the 1950s.
 
It was still illegal in England prior to Henry VIII, just handled by different legal bodies. And who overturned Sodomy laws in France ? They were repealed by the Revolutionary government who brought mass murder to the country.
 
Rau said:
Which law concerns you?

Well, the U.S. supreme court ruled last month legalizing gay marriage which in effect is a redefinition of marriage and placing the union of gay men or women on an equal footing with the divine institution of marriage between one man and one woman. We also have legalized abortion in the U.S. which is the murder of the unborn. These laws concern me because I’m a member of society and of the whole human community and laws that promote vice and sin affect society and the whole human community of which I and each human being is a part. Every sin we commit has both a personal and social dimension, i.e., it affects us for the worse personally and our relationship with God as well as the whole human family and the whole universe at large as the fall of our first parents, Adam and Eve, show. On the other hand, every good act done in charity raises up the world. Secondly, we should all have concern for our fellow brothers and sisters of the human community and of their eternal salvation ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’. Charity for our neighbor for the love of God concerns their eternal salvation. Consequently, laws such as the legalization of gay marriage and abortion should be of concern for us for a number of reasons. Below is a link to a document from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that was approved for publication by Pope St. John Paul II concerning the legal recognition of homosexual unions:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
Which law do you believe you need to disobey to remain in accord with divine law?
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Rau said:
Interesting. What was the typical punishment?
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I don’t know what the typical punishment was or whether hardly anyone was ever punished. According to Wikipedia:
The Buggery Act 1533, formally An Acte for the punishment of the vice of Buggerie (25 Hen. 8 c. 6), was an Act of the Parliament of England that was passed during the reign of Henry VIII. It was the country’s first civil sodomy law, such offences having previously been dealt with by the ecclesiastical courts.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery_Act_1533
 
Seamus_L said:
It was still illegal in England prior to Henry VIII, just handled by different legal bodies. And who overturned Sodomy laws in France ? They were repealed by the Revolutionary government who brought mass murder to the country.
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Sodomy laws were normally used as part of throwing the book at someone by building up a huge list of offenses. Note also the persecution of the Templars
Rau said:
Interesting. What was the typical punishment?
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Between 1470 and 1516 there was a single case so I don’t think one can claim a typical punishment for something that virtually never happened.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Sodomy laws were normally used as part of throwing the book at someone by building up a huge list of offenses. Note also the persecution of the Templars

Between 1470 and 1516 there was a single case so I don’t think one can claim a typical punishment for something that virtually never happened.
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Even after the 1533 Buggery Act, very few people were ever prosecuted. Prosecution for homosexual acts became more common in the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century in Britain. The Oscar Wilde case was the most famous.
 
Thorolfr said:
Even after the 1533 Buggery Act, very few people were ever prosecuted. Prosecution for homosexual acts became more common in the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century in Britain. The Oscar Wilde case was the most famous.
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Evidence that this was the Catholic Church’s doing, please.
 
PRmerger said:
Evidence that this was the Catholic Church’s doing, please.
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I think he was actually pointing out that for most of history it remained a rather rare thing until the Victorians started obsessing about sexual stuff.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
I think he was actually pointing out that for most of history it remained a rather rare thing until the Victorians started obsessing about sexual stuff.
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Wha??

I haven’t seen anything even remotely close to that being pointed out.
 
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