Is Homosexuality Genetic?

[John_Pope]

As human beings, we sometimes hold ourselves aloof over the rest of the living organisms that inhabit this world because we are made in the image of God. We have to remember that we are animals also and must succumb to the same natural authority that is applied to all animals.
If we observe God’s creation, we will see that there are no other animals that act on any homosexual impulses. The lesser animals, without a free-will of conduct, know this natural authority instinctually and act accordingly and appropriately.
The only exception to this would be human influenced conditions upon other animals. For example, laboratory rats introduced in an over-populated environment will tend to display homosexual impulses. Other cases may be observed in domesticated animals.
The human influence to the environment of these animals must be recognized as a direct correlation to the homosexual tendencies observed.
In my opinion homosexuality is vile and disgusting, but my opinion and feelings for anything does not make it right nor wrong. Also, homosexuality is not wrong because the Bible says so. It is wrong because God engineered this world to promote and support life which homosexuality does not, and this is reflected in the Bible.

 

[pathia]

You are not bisexual; in fact you posted numerous times to indicate that you are intersex. Your situation really has nothing to do with this discussion, in fact any example in which your situation could be used in a discussion would be about the ethical reasons why abortion and neoanticide should be allowed such as Stephen Pinker would suggest. Something I totally stand against being a pro-life activist

I am bisexual, that means I am attracted to both men and women. That has nothing to do with intersexuality, transsexuality or anything at all. It has to do with being attracted to both genders.

Bisexual==Sexual Attraction
Intersexed==Descriptor of my genotype and phenotype

 

[goofyjim]

Everyone I have known had either an absent or dead daddy…loved therefor his mommy too much and when he hit the age of around 12 he felt guilty to be attracted sexually to other females so he turned to other males!.Its enviornment…as a sapling is bent so will it grow…I have also known husbands and then daddies of just girl babies…many have then turned to homosexual acts for they just cant make it with their wives anymore because of their love of their daughters!! and so it goes…no wonder that fella crawled up that pillar years ago ,what was his name …Simon…and stayed up there out of harms way!!!

Well allow me to introduce myself. I was actually father’s favorite. I stayed close by his side through the formative years. I fit noneof those NARTH theories, or yours for that matter. My father was not absent or dead. I was never approached by a gay person in my life until after I shared my feelings first and got along well with peers. it seems inevitable that while strong enough never to act on it, I was born homosexual in orientation.

 

[Neolithic]

My father was with me the entire time, he worked less than a mile from home. He was involved in everything in my life.

I really don’t know why you bother. I could - and have - explained what causes homosexuality, but if someone has in his or her mind an opposing view - a “Christian” view - then they aren’t going to listen. You’re wasting your time.

People need to understand that homosexuality is not something which can be exacted (i.e., there is no ONE cause). There are several causes and its different with each person. In fact, many studies conclude that nobody is exclusively gay or straight (the Alfred Kinsley study, most notably); almost all people are, to be honest, bisexual. The deniers will come flooding in now, but it’s true and I can prove it.

 

[Abbadon]

This is just the first of many articles in my universities database of collected works

1899
Germany’s pioneering researcher Magnus Hirschfeld writes that being gay or lesbian is biologically determined.
1991
[Graphic omitted]A study of twins reveals that genes and biology are markers for homosexuality. Researchers find that 52% of identical twin brothers of gay men were also gay, compared with 22% of fraternal twins and just 11% of adoptive brothers.
1991
[Graphic omitted]Simon LeVay, after studying the brains of dead gay and straight men, publishes a paper in Science arguing that homosexuality is biologically based. He later expands his ideas in the 1993 book The Sexual Brain.
[Graphic omitted]1993
In a major study that spurs cultural battles, researchers say they have identified a gene pattern that determines male homosexuality, A National Cancer Institute geneticist suggests that a gay gene resides in the X chromosome. which men inherit from their mothers. (Article summary below)
[Graphic omitted]1995 & 2005
[Graphic omitted]A 1995 NIH study focuses on male fruit flies that began mating with each other after their body chemistry was changed, In June 2005, scientists in Vienna report that a genetically altered female fruit fly attempted to mate with another female fruit fly instead of a male, suggesting sexual attraction is genetic.
[Graphic omitted]1999
A University of Texas researcher finds that the tones produced by the inner ears of lesbians are weaker and not as numerous as those produced by straight women.
2000
Researchers find further evidence linking sexual orientation with birth order. Men with same-sex attraction seem more likely to be born later than straight brothers in families with multiple male children.
2003
[Graphic omitted]Psychologists measure eye-blink reactions after subjecting gay and straight men and women to loud noises. The reactions of gay and straight members of each gender are found to be significantly different and linked to an area of the brain that determines sexuality. They conclude that a person’s sexual orientation is determined before birth.
2004
[Graphic omitted]The same genes that make men gay may also make their female relatives more fertile. Researchers find that the moms, sisters, and maternal aunts of gay men often have significantly more children than the mean–and many of their offspring are gay or lesbian as well.
2005
[Graphic omitted]A genome researcher In Chicago says he has found a group of genes, not a single “gay gene,” that strongly affect whether a man is homosexual. The University of Illinois at Chicago and the NIH scientists report having looked at the genes of 456 men, each of whom had at least two gay brothers, from 146 families. The finding that a variety of genes are common to most gay men echoes other recent gene research.

Do you have access to a university database?
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[Abbadon]

Writing in the journal Science, researchers led by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute conclude that a region on the X chromosome "contributes to homosexual orientation in males."
The NCI team recruited through ads 114 gay men and asked which of their relatives were gay, which straight. More brothers, maternal uncles and sons of maternal aunts were gay than expected, based on the incideuce of’ homosexuality in America. But paternal relatives were not more likely to be gay. This pattern of inheritance is typical of traits, such as hemophilia, carried on the X chromosome, which boys inherit only from their mothers. So Hamer analyzed the X chromosomes of 40 pairs of gay, nontwin brothers. Thirty-three of the pairs had five identical lengths of DNA on one tip.
The DNA snippet is long enough to contain hundreds of genes. Hamer’s team hasn’t found the gene that makes some men gay. That search could take years. But eventually, biologists hope, they will learn how such a gene works, in men as well as women. (The NCI biologists are looking for DNA markers in lesbians, too.) Does it produce a protein that sculpts part of the brain responsible for sexual desire? Make a biochemical involved in temperament or personality? Whatever the gene turns out to be, it is not the only cause of homosexuality. Seven of the 40 pairs of gay brothers did not have the characteristic DNA on their X chromosome. And Hamer has not tested the DNA of straights to see if any carry the snippet, so it’s too soon to conclude that it always causes homosexuality. More likely. inheritance and experience together shape sexual orientation.

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Source: Newsweek, 7/26/93
Section: SOCIETY
DOES DNA MAKE SOME MEN GAY?
Science: The biology of destiny
Dateline: Washington

 

[Abbadon]

YES
it is partially genetic.

I thought it relevant to move this information here.

 

[Jennifer123]

YES
it is partially genetic.

I thought it relevant to move this information here.

Source please. In any case, it is irrevelant.

 

[Neolithic]

Source please. In any case, it is irrevelant.

There have been numerous sources posted. Apparently you’ve not been following the discussion from the beginning.

Anyway, why is homosexuality NOT being a choice irrelevant?

 

[pathia]

Source please. In any case, it is irrevelant.

Um, he just posted a ton of sources right above.

 

[Jennifer123]

There have been numerous sources posted. Apparently you’ve not been following the discussion from the beginning.

Anyway, why is homosexuality NOT being a choice irrelevant?

No - I don’t have time to red 34 pages of discussion, LOL. Sorry for not seeing the sources, however, none of those studies contain definitive proof of a genetic origin.

It is not relevant to find a genetic origin. People are born every day with some sort of genetic disposition towards a disordered condition that makes it difficult for one to live full and complete lives. We don’t tell people with genetic dispositions towards alcoholism to not worry about drinking and getting drunk. Or those who are obese to not worry about what they eat and lack of exercize.

I think it’s a mistake for those who want to argue for a genetic origin for homosexuality, and therefore a cultural acceptance of active homosexual behavior, as if it is indeed genetic, then it can be culled as well.

 

[Neolithic]

No - I don’t have time to red 34 pages of discussion, LOL. Sorry for not seeing the sources, however, none of those studies contain definitive proof of a genetic origin.

Homosexuality is not 100% genetic; the twin studies proved that. But what those studies also proved is that there is a genetic component - period.

It is not relevant to find a genetic origin. People are born every day with some sort of genetic disposition towards a disordered condition that makes it difficult for one to live full and complete lives. We don’t tell people with genetic dispositions towards alcoholism to not worry about drinking and getting drunk. Or those who are obese to not worry about what they eat and lack of exercize.

I think it’s a mistake for those who want to argue for a genetic origin for homosexuality, and therefore a cultural acceptance of active homosexual behavior, as if it is indeed genetic, then it can be culled as well.

What we do know is that homosexuality is not a choice - end of story. Now, if you can give me one good reason why homosexuality should be culled, then I’d like to hear it. Please, refrain from using religious arguments, as the United States of America was not founded on the Christian faith.

 

[pathia]

No - I don’t have time to red 34 pages of discussion, LOL. Sorry for not seeing the sources, however, none of those studies contain definitive proof of a genetic origin.

It is not relevant to find a genetic origin. People are born every day with some sort of genetic disposition towards a disordered condition that makes it difficult for one to live full and complete lives. We don’t tell people with genetic dispositions towards alcoholism to not worry about drinking and getting drunk. Or those who are obese to not worry about what they eat and lack of exercize.

I think it’s a mistake for those who want to argue for a genetic origin for homosexuality, and therefore a cultural acceptance of active homosexual behavior, as if it is indeed genetic, then it can be culled as well.

Culled? You want to have us all killed, and murdered in the womb? That’s the only way you can ‘cull’ homosexuality. Cull means remove, murder, extinguish when talking about herds, that’s eugenics.

This is about genetics, look at the subject of the thread. It isn’t about religious basis, it’s about if it is genetic or not.

 

[cristininha]

No - I don’t have time to red 34 pages of discussion, LOL. Sorry for not seeing the sources, however, none of those studies contain definitive proof of a genetic origin.

It is not relevant to find a genetic origin. People are born every day with some sort of genetic disposition towards a disordered condition that makes it difficult for one to live full and complete lives. We don’t tell people with genetic dispositions towards alcoholism to not worry about drinking and getting drunk. Or those who are obese to not worry about what they eat and lack of exercize.

I think it’s a mistake for those who want to argue for a genetic origin for homosexuality, and therefore a cultural acceptance of active homosexual behavior, as if it is indeed genetic, then it can be culled as well.

The problem lies with trying to justify the UNacceptance of homosexual behaviour, since it is not per se prejudicial to anyone, not even the homosexuals themselves, let alone society.

Having said that, let’s not forget that some people will try to justify prejudices by manipulating debate and distorting conclusions of research showing some folks are a number of times more likely to commit some things than others… that happened to Black folks and that happens to homosexuals.

There are lots of shady bespoke research from the likes of NARTH, made to square exactly with their belief that homosexuality is a disorder that needs therapy.

 

[Neolithic]

Culled? You want to have us all killed, and murdered in the womb? That’s the only way you can cull it.

This is about genetics, look at the subject of the thread. It isn’t about religious basis, it’s about if it is genetic or not.

It’s only partly genetic and, like she said, so is alcoholism. But there are huge differences: Alcoholism is a conscious choice one makes. One cannot choose to be gay or straight. That’s where the comparison crumbles. Alcoholism is a behavior, not an orientation.

So, perhaps the better question is: Why should homosexual behavior be culled?

 

[pathia]

It’s only partly genetic and, like she said, so is alcoholism. But there are huge differences: Alcoholism is a conscious choice one makes. One cannot choose to be gay or straight. That’s where the comparison crumbles. Alcoholism is a behavior, not an orientation.

So, perhaps the better question is: Why should homosexual behavior be culled?

Well, if anyone tries to ‘cull’ me again, then I’m going to fight back

 

[Neolithic]

Well, if anyone tries to ‘cull’ me again, then I’m going to fight back

I don’t think homosexuals are anymore harmful to society than heterosexuals. So, homosexuality should not be culled.

The behavior? In most cases, like heterosexual sex, takes place in private, which is nobody’s business. So, how does that cause harm? It doesn’t, unless, of course, an STD is involved. But it’s the same with heterosexual sex. There are reasons why STDs are more prevalent in the gay community, and it stems, to be honest, from non-acceptance.

 

[pathia]

I don’t think homosexuals are anymore harmful to society than heterosexuals. So, homosexuality should not be culled.

The behavior? In most cases, like heterosexual sex, takes place in private, which is nobody’s business. So, how does that cause harm? It doesn’t, unless, of course, an STD is involved. But it’s the same with heterosexual sex. There are reasons why STDs are more prevalent in the gay community, and it stems, to be honest, from non-acceptance.

I believe it does too. When you force something into the underground, force people to be unable to display affection in public, force people to be unable to have any sort of legal rights between each other. What purpose is there to try to settle down? It’ll just cause trouble, get you outted and make your life a misery. So it’s better to handle it on the downlow, where things are dicey, dangerous, anonymous and fast, making STD’s much more easy to fly about.

 

[Abbadon]

Source please. In any case, it is irrevelant.

Look at the 2 posts DIRECTLY above DUH i posted a source.

 

[Abbadon]

No - I don’t have time to red 34 pages of discussion, LOL. Sorry for not seeing the sources, however, none of those studies contain definitive proof of a genetic origin.
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What are you talking about definitive proof? That is evidence there is a genetic component of homosexuality.

There is no one single gene for homosexuality. It is a cocktail of genetics, biochemical responses and environmental responses (especially when inside the mothers womb).

I realize now Neolithic said It but i think i should still re-say it as people do not seem to understand that.