Studies do not back up this view.
There has been no abuse or pain inflicted on me ever. I was born with homosexual feelings. The only pain inflicted is by those who say that even those feelings need to be changed to be a true Christian. No they don’t. I am a Christian and a Catholic and by staying celibate I am not sinning. If you examine my life well enough you could come to no other conclusion than that it is genetically based. That means God formed me this way and God doesn’t make mistakes.
Amen brother about being a true Christian even with the feelings, that goes for me too! I have the feelings. This world isn’t perfect since God cast Satan down to be the ruler of this world. There are a number of things that could go wrong in utero or at birth. God didn’t create homosexuality, He might have let things happen the way they did, but He didn’t create it. And you don’t have to change your feelings or change your mind to be a good Christian. Good for you for remaining celibate!
Studies also do not prove it’s genetic. I believe it could be caused by a number of factors; birth anomalies that could effect attraction, rebellion, brokenness in oneself, family relationships, abuse, neglect, severed bond in significant relationships growing up, confused gender identity, or low self-esteem. That said, please read below. This has been MY experience:
You are talking about reparative thearpy. Consiglio is a reparative therapist, or was, his book is almost 20 years old at this point, I haven’t heard much from him in a long time.
I don’t see why people just focus on homosexual acts. Any form of sex that keeps you away from God is a sin. Sex is basically meant for procreation. Sure it feels good, but that’s what makes life happen. (Later comes childbirth, which does NOT feel good!)
If God formed me in the womb with these homosexual feelings then to some degree he created homosexuality. Do we too often forget that even if something wound up evil it was originally created by God? Even Satan was God’s creation. That’s the theological basis.
This post got me thinking and since my internet service was temporarily out of service I thought about this instead of reading more. I wonder sometimes if God wishes us to be just as he created us at birth. Armless, both genitalia. It sounds sick to us, but to God it may be perfect,just the way he wants us…not some sterio typicaly bleached blonde with blue contacts and synthetic body. You see I was having 2 crowns put in today and the temptation to make my teeth perfect all the way through is there. But I remember the New Testament telling us not to worry about the physical body. Sure it has other meaning. But there is a good point to think about. We spend so much time and money trying to make ourselfs “acceptable” to other people that we really miss out in the joy of life. Joy does not equate to “happiness”. Joy of realizing that God is great. We can join in with Christ’s suffering on Calvary, in the Garden of Gethsemane, etc. Christ was nearly ripped to streds for us. God willed it. So it was done for all eternity. Just thinking.
If homosexuality was something “good” created by God, then why wasn’t homosexuality evident in the Garden of Eden? Why did He create Adam and Eve and not a homosexual couple? Well, that seems obvious, He wanted them to procreate, to produce children, it’s only natural, God’s plan for the world, then sin entered in once Eve ate the apple. You are not your sexuality as I am not my sexuality. It’s a part of you and me, but we’re so much more than just that. Just like we are not our actions. If we do something wrong, we aren’t necessarily a bad person, we just made a mistake.
ok i know this is a stretch, but cars, computers and industrial buildings weren’t present in the garden of eden either, should they be considered to be violating God’s plan?
I’m very sorry for your pain. Because of your experiences, I can see why you would have such strong feelings against this view. At the same time there are competent counselors out there who would never think of hurting children or adults for that matter by trying to get them to change the way they are when they don’t want to or by some sort of brainwashing technique. I’m talking about God’s power to heal the relationally broken, not trying to change someone into a heterosexual. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn’t, it depends on a lot of things, partly on how open the person is to God’s power in their lives. Leanne Payne for example, had the gift of healing, and simply prayed for people who were broken (deeply hurt), homosexual or not. She wasn’t trying to change someone’s sexuality. She wanted to see God’s healing in this person’s life as they were suffering from some kind of emotional or spiritual wound. She simply prayed for them calling on the Holy Spirit’s healing power and inviting Him into their brokenness, again just praying to heal them from a traumatic event from the past, but not “changing” them into a heterosexual.
It’s a stretch.
My traumatic events were all religious in origin. That makes it particularly difficult to use religion and faith to ‘fix’ what religion did in the first place, because no matter how well intentioned a person may be, it FEELS the same to me.
Then why do not all kids in a particular peer group end up gay? It simply doesn’t work that way.
He’s talking about being ostracized, made fun of or the like by peers, especially when those peers call you fag, gay or otherwise. We all have a deep need to be accepted by our peers, and sometimes if we are already hurt, and our peers don’t accept us, it just drives the pain deeper. To answer your question, kids get made fun of all the time. Some of them may not have a predisposition to homosexuality or they have very strong bonds with their family members, so they wouldn’t react the same way to bullies and rejection from peer groups. Kids react in all different ways to cruelty put on them. Of course they don’t all become gay. But if you’re coming into the situation being broken already in some way, you may be affected even more when you experience rejection by your peers which could cause you to withdraw into the homosexual identity even more.
And the larger point does not matter. homosexual behavior is a grievous sin whether there is a genetic component to same sex attraction or not .It may be genetic, it may not be genetic. No one knows. I don’t know how anyone can say they do know the truth about this issue, no one does.
IDK lol, probably say it’s still beyond people’s control.
I disagree that it’s a sin, but that’s really not the point of this thread;
