Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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wabrams:
I think that maybe one half of one percent of homosexuals are born with it (genetic defect). The other 99.5% are homosexual due to a lifestyle choice. Just my opinion.
By God’s Grace I have been out of the gay lifestyle now for 10.5 years (THANK YOU GOD). I just needed to make a comment. It is not a lifestyle choice. Just because it isn’t genetic does not mean people choose to be a homosexual. I hear this often and wanted to clarify this. Most homosexuals will state they had the attraction since they can remember and I was not an exception to this. I had the attraction to the same sex way before I knew what sex was.
However, the Lord has done so many awesome things in my life. One was he showed me that the attraction I had towards the same sex, was actually an admiration towards those who had physical or masculine traits that I thought I had lacked. You see, when I was very young, my masculinity was never affirmed. My father was an alcoholic and the masculinity that he showed me only brought me fear. An even more important factor was that my male peers made fun of me, picked me last for sports teams during gym and made it perfectly clear that I wasn’t like them. This is why I had an admiration towards the same sex. In puberty, this admiration became sexualized and at that point I had labeled myself as “gay”.
God is awesome and I am so greatful for all the things he has been doing in my life.
God Bless.
 
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MugenOne:
Is being gay genetic?
Certainly not all gay behavior is genetic, but yes there is evidence of genetic factors.
Folks, that is what gay activitists and leftist scientists are trying to have us believed.
Doesn’t it just suck when the data contravenes your point of view?
They are poisoning the mind of young folks.
Doesn’t it just suck when someone teaches your kid the data that contravenes your point of view?
If they got the general public acceptance, then they can easily push their agenda i.e. same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think it is genetic, but a lifestyle.
And why should your opinion count for more than twin studies?
It takes two (man and woman) to variate genes and produce offspring. If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago.
Only if the genes followed a simple dominance patter and were dominant over genes for heterosexuality.
There are many behaviors in nature that help the group but don’t help the individual to pass on genes. For instance look at altruistic biological behaviors in species.
They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?
No, but its a common misconception so don’t feel bad.
 
The findings of twins studies by J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard are far from conclusive, and are at odds with genetic theory. There were also methodological problems with their study.

“The sampling method employed in this study falls short of the ideal genetic epidemiological study, which would involve systematic sampling from a well-specified population. In particular, although all recruiting advertisements stated that [subjects] were desired regardless of the sexual orientation of their relatives, there is no guarantee that volunteers heeded this request.” Source: Bailey and Pillard, “A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, 48 (December 1991).

Follow up research confirmed that Bailey and Pillard did not employ “a systematically ascertained sample of twins. Subjects were recruited through advertisements placed in homosexual-oriented periodicals and, therefore, may not be typical of the homosexual population at large.” Source: Byne and Parsons, “Human Sexual Orientation: The Biologic Theories Reappraised,” Archives of General Psychiatry, 50 (March 1993).

From the previous source: “The concordance rate for homosexuality in nontwin biologic brothers was only 9.2 percent - significantly lower that that required by a simple genetic hypothesis.” “Furthermore, the fact that the concordance rates were similar for nontwin biologic brothers (9.2 percent) and genetically unrelated adoptive brothers (11.0 percent) is at odds with a simple genetic hypothesis, which would predict a higher concordance rate for biologic siblings.”

Bailey and Pillard, in “A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation,” admit that twin studies have failed to demonstrate a genetic cause: “Buhrich et al reported a twin study of sexual orientation and related behaviors. They found a strong familial resemblance, but had insufficient power to determine whether that correlation was due to genetic or environmental factors or both.”

There is also Dean Hamer’s work. Hamer does not claim to have found a genetic cause for homosexuality.

“Although the observed rates of homosexual orientation in the maternally derived uncles and male cousins of gay men were higher than in female and paternally related male relatives, they were lower than would be expected for a simple Mendelian trait.” Source: Hamer, et al. “A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male Sexual Orientation,” Science 261 (1993).

“At present, we can say nothing about the fraction of all instances of male homosexuality that are related or unrelated to the Xq28 candidate locus.” Same source as above.

“Given the overall complexity of human sexuality, it is not surprising that a single genetic locus does not account for all the observed variability.” Same source as above.

It is also noteworthy that there hasn’t been any success in replicating Hamer’s original study. See George Rice, Carol Anderson, Neil Risch, and George Ebers, “Male Homosexuality: Absence of Linkage to Microsatellite Markers at Xq28,” Science, 284 (April 1999). From this study: “These results do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.”

There is no convincing scientific evidence of a genetic cause for homosexuality. The primary causes are social and psychological.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
What a learning experience reading this thread.

I had heard this “genetic” position started back in the early 1990’s when it was discovered that the brain hormone levels of people with the same sexual orientation were the same whether they were male or female. I had read this in OMNI Magazine and then heard it on CNN.

I never gave it much thought until one of my former co-workers left his wife after his kids were grown because he couldn’t keep living in his heterosexual lie anymore. He told me that he would give anything to be heterosexual, and he tried everything he could to be straight. He believed that he was “born” gay.

I wish that I was walking with God back then as I am now.

All I could think of was “what a cross to bear!” To be as attracted to someone of the same sex as I was to my wife, no way to righteously fullfill one’s passions, part of the fallout of original sin.

I looked at his condition as if he was born with a defect, with the deck stacked against him.

Paul writes in Romans 1:18-32 what happens when people give in to desires that are not of God.

Sex outside of marriage is wrong whether it’s heterosexual or homosexual, so most of us are guilty.

I would say that heterosexual sex outside of marriage is worst of all because of the damage it causes to society over homosexuality, yet no one really complains about that.

Let’s talk about someone else’s problems and not our own.

Let’s support our homosexual brethren in keeping with the faith and away from sin, helping and praying towards a healing of the spirit.

Most every Saint in our Church had a major obstacle that our Lord helped them overcome.

Each and every one of us has a defect or an issue within our flesh that must be dealt with before we can enter the kingdom of God.

Let us all exhort one another and set our sights on that time when we will meet our Lord face to face and finally become the whole beings, the living souls, that we are created to be.

God has his purpose for our state of being. Let us seek him and embrace that purpose in keeping with the faith and free from all sin through his grace and love.
 
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Courage4JC:
By God’s Grace I have been out of the gay lifestyle now for 10.5 years (THANK YOU GOD). I just needed to make a comment. It is not a lifestyle choice. Just because it isn’t genetic does not mean people choose to be a homosexual. I hear this often and wanted to clarify this. Most homosexuals will state they had the attraction since they can remember and I was not an exception to this. I had the attraction to the same sex way before I knew what sex was.
However, the Lord has done so many awesome things in my life. One was he showed me that the attraction I had towards the same sex, was actually an admiration towards those who had physical or masculine traits that I thought I had lacked. You see, when I was very young, my masculinity was never affirmed. My father was an alcoholic and the masculinity that he showed me only brought me fear. An even more important factor was that my male peers made fun of me, picked me last for sports teams during gym and made it perfectly clear that I wasn’t like them. This is why I had an admiration towards the same sex. In puberty, this admiration became sexualized and at that point I had labeled myself as “gay”.
God is awesome and I am so greatful for all the things he has been doing in my life.
God Bless.
Courage, bless you for your strength and faith. Your analysis of your situation is very enlightening. I certainly remember in school the ‘sissy boys’ as they were called being taunted and ostracized due to their lack of size or masculine characteristics. Obviously I don’t know if that is your own situation but I have seen this happen and it does become a self fulfilling prophecy. The two homosexual males that I know best had similar stories. They were small, not very athletic, and greatly admired the ‘jocks.’ That admiration transitioned into a sexual attraction. I think with the right conditioning you can become physically aroused by just about anything if you are ‘rewarded’ for that response. For example look how many men have been pulled in through internet porn and in effect respond to women on a computer screen but not their own wives. The human psyche is very complex and it’s very hard to change an entrenched pattern. You have my admiration for your courage and strength in dealing with this challenge.

Lisa N
 
Thanks for the scientific information as I have been in some pretty intense discussions lately with homosexual men that are outraged about Prop 8 in California. The three big arguments I have heard is that they have no choice, it is natural (homosexuality is found in animals thus it must be natural),and the biggie is that it is genetic!. I keep asking them who has discovered that and in what study and where is the gene found. Also, I keep saying animals exibit same sex behavior but not for sexual reasons, it is a dominance thing. I spent too much time on the ranch not to know about all that. Of course, the icing on the cake is that those of us that oppose same sex marriage must be bigots and racist.
 
If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago. They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?

MugenOne
I don’t think that just because gay people can’t reproduce means the condition isn’t genetic. With how “easy” it is to stay alive in a modern world, lots of conditions that would have been deadly in earlier times survive. In addition, just because evolution would dictate certain characteristics doesn’t mean that variations will cease to occur, it simply means that those without the variation will tend to survive and be more plentiful. Considering that there are by far more heterosexual people in the world than homosexual, I would say homosexuality could still be a natural genetic variation.
In regards to what others have stated that people can “choose” a gay lifestyle, I would reject that categorically. Why would you choose to be gay? What possible advantage is there? It’s the modern day equivalent to a scarlet A. (Or I guess now a scarlet G 🙂 ). I can’t imagine anyone choosing to be gay and being willing to be the scorn of society for it. I know of gay people who have been spit on, beaten, and murdered for being gay. Why would you suffer that if you could choose?
 
Until the last two posts, no one has posted on this thread in nearly four years. I’m just giving a heads-up to everyone that some of the people who voiced opinions or gave information may no longer be around.
 
Mark my words…

Some day, homosexual advocates will develope a chemical agent that when applied to the skin of infant boys with a cotton swab will induce the hormones of homosexuality to occur and they will clandestinely infiltrate every maternity ward in the world… and they will do this with a vengance. If you don’t believe this… then you don’t know the anger of those people… they are quite capable of that, but only if they can develope such a chemical, which admitadly is very questionable. What I’m really saying is that if they could… they would. Believe THAT…!
 
Mark my words…

Some day, homosexual advocates will develope a chemical agent that when applied to the skin of infant boys with a cotton swab will induce the hormones of homosexuality to occur and they will clandestinely infiltrate every maternity ward in the world… and they will do this with a vengance. If you don’t believe this… then you don’t know the anger of those people… they are quite capable of that, but only if they can develope such a chemical, which admitadly is very questionable. What I’m really saying is that if they could… they would. Believe THAT…!
Why would they spend money on that?

This is about equality, not putting one over the other. I’ve had to stress that to both sides.
 
The problem with homosexuality being genetic is that studies involving identical twins. It is a pretty low numbers as far as twins both being homosexual. From what I have read on the subject, it appears to be a hormone issue where a child is exposed to an excessive amount of testerone in the womb before birth resulting in homosexuality. Not to say that it migt not have some genetic base. I am no scientist, but I do understand that many genes can be turned on or off based on whether the gene is packed or unpacked and excessive amounts of hormones could have that effect of unpacking a gene that triggers homosexuality. Fruit flies are far far less complex beings then humans, with a simple manipulation of one gene you can create fruit flies that lack eyes and have extra legs where their eyes should be so being able to turn fruit flies gay by manipulating one gene is not that big of a surprise.
 
There are no conclusive theories about “Causes Of Homosexuality”, Psychologist and scientific researchers, even among themselves, differ in their assessment of this condition. Very little is known about how a homosexual orientation develops in a given individual. Thus, a number of psychologist’s have observed scientific theories on causes of homosexuality reflect the classic debate on whether a person’s makeup is the product of biology or environment. many researchers speculate that homosexuality is a by-product of upbringing, especially a child’s relationship with his or her parents. Other researchers have focused instead on physical causes, such as brain structure or hormone exposure while in the womb. Most psychologist however; conclude that there is no single genetic, hormonal or psychological cause of homosexual orientation. There appears to be a variety of factors which provide a “push” in the direction of homosexuality for some persons. The complex factors which result in the orientation toward homosexuality probably differs from person to person. (“While psychologist’s “do not” know the exact causes of orientation”), they do undoubtedly know that the forces that go into the creation of a homosexual person are more complex and mysterious than most had earlier appreciated in psychotherapy circles.
Taking a Jungian approach, suggest that a homosexual orientation can often be traced back to the developmental process wherein a boy experiences too little love from the mother, or the wrong kind of possessive or overwhelming love. Equally important, too, can be the missing love of the father’s masculine figure, for their are times when a boy craves love from his father, including physical signs of affection. When masculine identification with the father is missing or lacking or when a mother’s animus cuts her son off from his budding masculinity, the young man’s unfulfilled needs for primitive masculine development, and for the masculine affection he missed from his father, may be reflected in sexualized yearnings for closeness with other males. Woman on the other hand are sometimes shunned by young males because they fear their sexual power and the emotionality of their animus in childhood and through early adolescence.
A persons sexual yearnings and fantasies are indications of those aspects of the self one needs to develop in order to become whole. These needed qualities tend to get projected onto persons who mirror their images back to us. There are, thus, many expressions of male sexuality called homosexual that actually differ markedly. A yearning for contact with the male organ for example, "represents symbolically a deep need for connection with the Self, represented by the phallus, “symbol of the creative masculine spirit”. A middle-aged or older man may “fall in love” with a younger man bearing the image of a young Adonis, who embodies in himself both masculine and feminine virtues. The actual young man himself is not this complete person, but simply the carrier of the projection of the androgynous soul of the older man. However; oftentimes such emotions are not homosexuality but homo-eroticism and occur in many men who are sexually well oriented. Repression of these feelings leads to repression of much that is valuable and desirable in a man. Acting them out, on the other hand, leads to guilt and unconsciousness and negative enslavement to sexuality. It is possible, however, for a man to recognize that his feeling for another man is his longing for the Androgyne, a reflection of the deep desire to realize the union of opposites within himself, and to feel the reality of the greatest of archetypes as the foundation of his own being. Indeed; it could very well be the attraction of this Androgyne archetype that explains the much higher statistical occurrence of homosexuality in men, as compared to the lower rate in women.
For women the Androgyne figure presents no problem, but in our modern society with it’s exaggerated cultural fears of homosexuality, any erotic feelings aroused in a man for another man is considered suspect.
The Catholic “Children’s Defence Fund” Declaration on Sexual Ethics distinguishes between homosexual tendencies that are “transitory or at least not incurable” and "some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable. Most schools of psychology defend such a distinction. Transitory instances of homosexual behavior can be found to occur in closed environments devoid of heterosexual contact. Sometimes it erupts in adolescence when there exist confusion in one’s affective development toward relationships with both sexes. The tenant, however, that an enduring innate instinct toward homosexuality as being incurable is being challenged today in many professional psycho-therapeutic circles.
 
Psychologist Ruth T. Barnhouse in her book entitled:
Homosexuality: A Symbolical Confusion;


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claims that “thirty” percent of male homosexuals who come to psychotherapy for any reason ( not just for help with their sexual preference ) can be converted to the heterosexual adaptation. The author adds that the 30% statistic just given is well known, documented, and not difficult to verify, and suggest that homosexual persons denying that their sexual orientation is reversible are resisting an awareness that would threaten their complacent acceptance of a gay identity.

Gay militants, however, will hear of no talk of psychotherapy, maintaining that homosexuality is normal. They, rather, are aggressively demanding the legal recognition of same-sex-“marriages” which we see on a global front today in Europe, the U.K., Canada and in an increasing number of U.S. States poised to set the stage. Nevertheless, the word “matrimony” (from the Latin word “matris munium”, clearly means (“the union of a man and woman to form a family”). To allow a man to marry a man or woman to marry a woman is to deny the inherent procreative nature of marriage and therefore change it’s very definition.
It not only changes it’s definition, it essential voids it…If one eliminates procreation from the basic definition of marriage, on what legal basis could one stop three people from getting married, or a mother and son etc ? For liberal minded people supporting the gay agenda, the time has come to recognize the definitive decline of the ideal ( Or the Illusion ) of an ethic. ( And especially a sexual ethic concerning traditional marriage, that is universally shared and therefore worthy of institutional protection. This means that the idea considered an illusion by liberals), that “private forms of life” - including sexual forms-
can all be reduced to uni-vocal models, which can be uni-vocally determined at the level of law (“as is indeed the case of marriage that requires people of different sexes”) has become obsolete. The law’s in the courts responsibility—again in the opinion of liberals—is not to give preference to some but to recognize them all, without any kind of discrimination. Legally regulating homosexual unions would (“NOT”) mean rejecting the law, but merely asking the law to put itself at the service of the new polytheism that dominates our time and history in the world today.

The very communal nature of marriage and family stands in radical contradiction to the “liberal” emphasis on individual freedom and rights. Throughout many countries of the world and in the United States the gay rights movement with it’s avid supporters in Hollywood, the grand media and mass entertainment, including the multi-billion dollar porn industry, have all been in the forefront leading the battle against the idea that there are (“objective”), or-if-you-will natural modes of interpersonal communication, modes that the law is called on to formalize, regulate, and guarantee.
The Catholic Church, therefore, finds same-sex “marriages” and domestic partnerships objectionable because they can only damage society by weakening the institution of traditional marriage and thus encouraging heterosexual couples to forego the marital commitment.
 
Perhaps you should find a book that is not 30 years old. Many advances have been made in the scientific fields in 30 years. If what the book says is true then I can’t imagine it to be that difficult to find more recent psychologists who agree with the author and have published their studies more recently then 30 years.
 
Perhaps you should find a book that is not 30 years old. Many advances have been made in the scientific fields in 30 years. If what the book says is true then I can’t imagine it to be that difficult to find more recent psychologists who agree with the author and have published their studies more recently then 30 years.
So I suspect that what your saying that even today’s scientist and their evidence would conclude that homosexuality is genetic ?
Or do you have solid information to back up your statement in this post ?
 
Is being gay genetic?

MugenOne
Yes and no. There are about a dozen different factors that contribute to a person’s sexuality in the end. Genetics has something to do with it, but it’s far overemphasized at the expense of everything else by some people. Instead of trying to downplay or eliminate the genetic factor, you should try to develop a holistic knowledge of the etiology of sexuality and find out how all the different factors play in. It’s a complex issue, and you should do your best not to oversimplify.
 
Answer this…

If homosexuality were a genetic factor, then wouldn’t it run in family lines. 'Nutherwords… wouldn’t the incedance of homosexuality be satistically higher in the families that show it.
 
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