Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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Do I really need to list proof? ask people who lived back before the gay rights movement began in the late 60’s, people were racist, homophobic, and many other things.

Never said that. If you want to follow people’s teachings go ahead, it’s your right.
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Why should I follow your teachings?
 
I never said people should
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There is no “proof” for either side i suppose. But the Bible does not truly mention why Sodom was leveled. Crouption has entered the church on all levels at all points in history. Those in control could manipulate God’s word in order to further their personal beliefs. Because of hte structure of hte Church, the average person would blindly believe such things and through the generations it becomes almost as solid as fact.

Please don’t take my comments the wrong way, I love Catholicism, and I love God with my whole self, don’t get me wrong, but there are certain earthly conditions that should always be considered.
 
He’s talking about being ostracized, made fun of or the like by peers, especially when those peers call you fag, gay or otherwise. We all have a deep need to be accepted by our peers, and sometimes if we are already hurt, and our peers don’t accept us, it just drives the pain deeper. To answer your question, kids get made fun of all the time. Some of them may not have a predisposition to homosexuality or they have very strong bonds with their family members, so they wouldn’t react the same way to bullies and rejection from peer groups. Kids react in all different ways to cruelty put on them. Of course they don’t all become gay. But if you’re coming into the situation being broken already in some way, you may be affected even more when you experience rejection by your peers which could cause you to withdraw into the homosexual identity even more.

When you talk about “religion”, remember religion is man-made, and man from the beginning wasn’t perfect. The only perfect One is the Lord. It might be helpful to focus more on Him, and not His people who have certainly caused a number on you.

Pathia, there’s a good poem I was going to send you. I’ll look for it and send it to you. It speaks to your statement of not feeling God’s love, etc. I agree with the writer who said that there is a purpose for all this, that you are special, and some of us have heavier crosses than others to bear. Sometimes the Lord has a special plan for those whose crosses are heavier. No one knows that better than Him. I pray for peace for you and to experience His love in your life. There is a certain saint who didn’t feel the presence of the Lord either. Her faith was actually stronger than those who did feel the presence of the Lord because she relied purely on her faith and believing in Him and His word anyway.
Here is the poem I was going to send. Also wanted to say that when there’s a lot of anger or unforgiveness in one’s heart, it’s hard to be open to receiving God’s love or feeling his presence. This possibly might be another factor… 🙂

The Urge To Pray

I have the urge to pray for you,
and on my knees, this will I do.
We’ve never met, you may think it’s silly,
but according to God, we are family.

More than likely, I’ve been where you are.
So, I know the light seems so far.
But if you trust God, He will be there.
Reach for Him, your troubles He will bear.

Sometimes our load gets so heavy, we can’t pray.
It seems like our Lord is too far away.
That’s when your fellow christians come in,
to help you pray that this battle you will win.

So, after I finish this poem I’m writing,
I will pray for this battle you’re fighting.
Whether it be family, finances, fear, health or whatever,
God can fix it, and you will be thankful to Him forever.

As I pray for your needs, believe with me.
Believe that God will answer… just believe.
One more thing before I go, try praying again.
This battle of not being able to pray, this too, you will win!

by: V. Elaine Ables
 
There is no “proof” for either side i suppose. But the Bible does not truly mention why Sodom was leveled. Crouption has entered the church on all levels at all points in history. Those in control could manipulate God’s word in order to further their personal beliefs. Because of hte structure of hte Church, the average person would blindly believe such things and through the generations it becomes almost as solid as fact.

Please don’t take my comments the wrong way, I love Catholicism, and I love God with my whole self, don’t get me wrong, but there are certain earthly conditions that should always be considered.
The proof is in God’s Word.
 
For me being homosexual is genetic meaning it is the way God created me and God’s creation is good. The acts are a sin but the orientation is not a perversion, not a disease, not something that anyone anywhere needs to be afraid of. No reparative therapy for me. It wouldn’t work if I spent a lifetime at it.
 
but it wasn’t know as homosexuality. in the time the Bible was written, homosexuality was something greek teenagers did and just had sex whit everyone, not monogamous relationships with someone of the same gender.
The Spartans lived a homosexual life style. Boys were taken from there family at a young age and put in barracks. The older men would abuse them. It was part of their society. The next generation did the same thing.

I always wonder why people think the ancient ages were different than now. People are more knowledgeable. They are not more enlightened.
 
People back then won’t brave enough to speak up about it, I wouldn’t of been either, people were so ignorant back then.
Wow, people were not ignorant back then. Why do you believe the current day and age is more enlightened then back then?

Why do you believe that there were not openly gay people in the ancient ages. Many leaders of ancient ages were homosexuals. In some kingdoms it was the reverse. If one did not participate in being homosexual they could be killed.
 
There is no “proof” for either side i suppose. But the Bible does not truly mention why Sodom was leveled. Crouption has entered the church on all levels at all points in history. Those in control could manipulate God’s word in order to further their personal beliefs. Because of hte structure of hte Church, the average person would blindly believe such things and through the generations it becomes almost as solid as fact.

Please don’t take my comments the wrong way, I love Catholicism, and I love God with my whole self, don’t get me wrong, but there are certain earthly conditions that should always be considered.
Your post is a common error of thought for Protestants and unbelievers. (I am not stating you are either.) The Bible can be traced back to it earliest days and verified. The difference between ancient text and newer ones can also be identified. The story of Sodom and Ghmora is not one of the texts that have variations.

It is very clear that homosexuality is wrong. Note the most basic concept of following the Lord is to follow his creation. Sex between the same sexes is very clearly not how God created man. To follow homosexuality is to reject God’s creation.
 
Just as we should not accept divorce or breast cancer, which could have similar origins as homosexuality, we should not accept homosexuality.

There is no treatment for homosexuality? Some people think there is. But, we all know you will not die from not having sex. You can be celibate and profess having same sex attractions, and be perfectly fine.

That’s my point, which either you didn’t get or refuse to acknowledge. Even if there is a genetic link to same sex attraction, you don’t have to act on it.
Ah right, i didnt see the celibate arguement. I dont know how breast cancer or divorce ‘COULD’ have similar origins to homosexuality, in genetic terms. I didnt know they isolated a gene or series of genomes that is responsible for divorce. However, there are many people who by not getting married would not be facing divorce, thats very similar to the celibate arguement re homosexuals moral dilemna.
 
For me being homosexual is genetic meaning it is the way God created me and God’s creation is good. The acts are a sin but the orientation is not a perversion, not a disease, not something that anyone anywhere needs to be afraid of. No reparative therapy for me. It wouldn’t work if I spent a lifetime at it.
This post exposes a very deep thought process. All of God’s creation are good. His creations though can be attracted to sin via God’s creation. This is different than God’s creation be attracted to sin by man’s own free will. God as the creator of a being attracted to sin would mean that God has created the intent for man to be tested. As he knows some will fail the test some men were created by God to go to Hell. This means that one has to believe in predestination. Catholic’s are allowed to believe in free will or pre-destination; but, not double predestination. If one is not careful it is very easy to stray and believe in double predestination; which, means God has intentionally created evil.
 
For me being homosexual is genetic meaning it is the way God created me and God’s creation is good. The acts are a sin but the orientation is not a perversion, not a disease, not something that anyone anywhere needs to be afraid of. No reparative therapy for me. It wouldn’t work if I spent a lifetime at it.
Jim, my first son had a very severe brain defect and died when he was three.

He was born that way. Are you saying that was the way God intended him to be? That his life in a vegetative state was good?

What about the fall? What about we are not as God intended, as in original sin?
 
There is no “proof” for either side i suppose. But the Bible does not truly mention why Sodom was leveled. Crouption has entered the church on all levels at all points in history. Those in control could manipulate God’s word in order to further their personal beliefs. Because of hte structure of hte Church, the average person would blindly believe such things and through the generations it becomes almost as solid as fact
Every single biblical scholar from the time the account was first written to the rise of the homosexual “rights” movement interpreted this passage to be punishment for homosexuality . The teachings of both Judaism and the Catholic Church have been consistent on this for 2,400 years.I simply cannot see how someone can claim this is a manipulation of God’s Word or that every body for the last 2400 years got it wrong.
Please don’t take my comments the wrong way, I love Catholicism, and I love God with my whole self, don’t get me wrong, but there are certain earthly conditions that should always be considered.
The only thing we need to consider is the teachngs of our Church
 
Jim, my first son had a very severe brain defect and died when he was three.

He was born that way. Are you saying that was the way God intended him to be? That his life in a vegetative state was good?

What about the fall? What about we are not as God intended, as in original sin?
God does not request I change my orientation. Men do. There is no sin in the orientation. By itself it is not deadly. I live a productive life just like any other person on this planet. I don’t see how it compares to a brain defect. Like I said don’t sell me any reparative therapy because there is nothing in need of repair.
 
This post exposes a very deep thought process. All of God’s creation are good. His creations though can be attracted to sin via God’s creation. This is different than God’s creation be attracted to sin by man’s own free will. God as the creator of a being attracted to sin would mean that God has created the intent for man to be tested. As he knows some will fail the test some men were created by God to go to Hell. This means that one has to believe in predestination. Catholic’s are allowed to believe in free will or pre-destination; but, not double predestination. If one is not careful it is very easy to stray and believe in double predestination; which, means God has intentionally created evil.
I certainly hope that you are not inferring that the orientation alone is somehow evil. It is not. If it was it would require every effort to change it. Of course that is not the case.
 
Do I really need to list proof? ask people who lived back before the gay rights movement began in the late 60’s, people were racist, homophobic, and many other things.

Never said that. If you want to follow people’s teachings go ahead, it’s your right.
🙂
The gay rights movement started way before the 60s. there is no such disease as homophobia. Many people are still racist, you will find racism among homosexuals at some of the highest levels of hate.
The first “gay rights” organization in the United States was an American chapter of the German-based Society for Human Rights (SHR). The German SHR, formed in 1919 by Thule Society member Hans Kahnert, was a militant organization led by “Butch” homosexuals. Many of the early Nazis, including SA leader Ernst Roehm, were also SHR members.
The American SHR was formed on December 10, 1924, in Chicago, by a German-American named Henry Gerber (J. Katz:388). Gerber had served with the U.S. occupation forces in Germany from 1920 to 1923 and had been involved with the German organization. Together with a small group of fellow “revolutionaries,” Gerber legally chartered the group without revealing its purpose and began publishing a pro-homosexual journal called Friendship and Freedom (ibid.:389), patterned after the German chapter’s publication of the same name (ibid.:632n.).
In 1925, however, **the organization collapsed when Gerber, Vice President Al **Menninger and another member were arrested on charges of sexual abuse of a boy, all three having been turned in by Menninger’s wife. The Chicago Examiner ran a story titled “Strange Sex Cult Exposed,” and spoke of “strange doings” in Menninger’s apartment. Menninger confessed, but Gerber claimed the incident was a set-up, saying that their arrests were “shades of the Holy Inquisition.” Rather than take his chances in court, however, Gerber hired a lawyer who “knew how to fix the State Attorney and judges” and the case was dismissed (ibid.:392). After going underground for a time, writing under the pen-name “Parisex,” Gerber reemerged in 1934 on the staff of a pro-homosexual literary magazine called Chanticleer (ibid.:394). He also retained his ties to the German SHR and published several articles in their publications (ibid.:633n.).
In Chanticleer, Gerber revealed himself as a militant socialist who regarded capitalism and Christianity as the twin pillars of ignorance and repression of “sexual freedom” (ibid.:394). In response to the news of the Roehm Purge in the American press, he admitted that the Nazis were led by homosexuals and praised “Roehm and his valiant men” (ibid.:396). Gerber is quoted at length in Katz’s Gay American History regarding the Nazi regime. He writes,
A short time ago an American journalist pointed out in the liberal “Nation” that the whole Hitler movement was based on the homosexual Greek attachments of men for each other, and the same Jewish author stated that it was another of the Hitler contradictions that the “Leader” should have acquiesced in the burning of the books of Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld…Thus we get a glimpse of the insanity of the whole movement: A Jewish doctor working for the interests of homosexuals is persecuted by a heterosexual mob, led by homosexuals (Gerber in J. Katz:395).

It is interesting to note that the homosexual inclinations of the Nazis were a matter of at least limited public knowledge in the United States at this time, as well as their Greek origins. We can also infer from this passage that Gerber himself was not an overt fascist, though he clearly identified with the Brownshirts in Germany. Open fascism in the homosexual movement would come later, but Gerber and his pederastic friends had established its foundation. By 1972, when he died at the age of 80, Gerber had witnessed the emergence of homo-fascism as a permanent theme in the movement
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/rohm.jpg Leading German “gay” rights activist. Murdered by by his ‘ex’ gay lover.😃
 
The gay rights movement started way before the 60s. there is no such disease as homophobia. Many people are still racist, you will find racism among homosexuals at some of the highest levels of hate.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/rohm.jpg Leading German “gay” rights activist. Murdered by by his ‘ex’ gay lover.😃
Ok? I don’t get your point with that article. It didn’t begin at full force untill the Stonewall riots. Really? I know many homosexuals and I don’t know any of them to be racist
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Ok? I don’t get your point with that article. It didn’t begin at full force untill the Stonewall riots. Really? I know many homosexuals and I don’t know any of them to be racist
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You mean the riots lead by the teenage male prostitutes?
June is Gay Pride Month. All over the country and around the world, homosexuals and their allies will gather by the hundreds of thousands to hold “Gay Pride” parades in major cities. The centerpiece of the month is “Gay Pride Day,” the first and most important of “gay” holidays. Few know that “Gay Pride Day” is the anniversary of a riot which took place at the Stonewall Bar on Christopher Street in New York City June 27, 1969 when police tried to arrest an underage boy prostitute.

****“Gay Pride” the celebration of the right of ‘gay’ men to buy sex from from underage boy prostitutes. :cool: **

Your knowledge of history is shallow and very selective … built on myth and not so much reality or truth.

**As to the many of homosexuals you claim to know and none are racist, then I’m afraid you have a lot of people to meet yet. **
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You mean the riots lead by the teenage male prostitutes?

****“Gay Pride” the celebration of the right of ‘gay’ men to buy sex from from underage boy prostitutes. :cool: ****

Your knowledge of history is shallow and very selective … built on myth and not so much reality or truth.

**As to the many of homosexuals you claim to know and none are racist, then I’m afraid you have a lot of people to meet yet. **
the very same
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Gay pride is all about not being ashamed of who you are and embracing diversity.

I don’t claim to be a history scholar, but I have been quite active in studying it.
 
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