Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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ladybri77 said:
estesbob;4818786:
The problem with heartlight.org is that it is an evangelical Christian website that adheres to once saved always saved and salvation by faith alone.

Catholics aren’t the only ones who have Jesus or the Truth of Him in our hearts. He’s blessed many of His Christian people with Himself and His truth.
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They have partial truths and not the whole truth. Be careful if you are using Protestant sources for truth as they have much error in them. Look at things like the “Rapture” “Divorce” etc. To believe Protestant truth is higher or more righteous than Catholic truth is wrong. Catholics have the full truth and as such Protestant truth can not supersede Catholic truth. They just have bits of the truth.

Why go to people that have a partial truth?
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PerryJ said:
ladybri77;4818887:
They have partial truths and not the whole truth. Be careful if you are using Protestant sources for truth as they have much error in them. Look at things like the “Rapture” “Divorce” etc. To believe Protestant truth is higher or more righteous than Catholic truth is wrong. Catholics have the full truth and as such Protestant truth can not supersede Catholic truth. They just have bits of the truth.

Why go to people that have a partial truth?
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If you have the Holy Spirit living in you, then such truth would be evident. I’m talking about God’s basic truths here, not things such as the rapture and divorce, that are common to both faiths if one does indeed have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him.
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yngve said:
This is not the issue here. The fact that the laws were ‘negated’ (although this is not de best word) proves that an issue which was regarded moral in Moses’ time is regarded imoral in the new Christian time. And again the issue is killing disobedient children, not sinning against parents.

This is such a cliche. And no, I didn’t take the verse randomly and yes I’ve read both the the context, the book and the history of the hebrew people.

Yes, God entruested the truth to the Church just as he entrusted it to the author of the book of leviticus. As a result, may laws given then are seen not only imoral but outrageous today. This may be the case for the Church as wel, as it already was. The Church thought it had the right in condemning heretics to death, considering it moral. Now, I hope you agree, we all see it imoral.
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Your argument is based upon false assertions. One the term “children” does not mean kids. They are speaking of drunkness and gluttony, adult behavior. As I have already posted the verse before this speaks of not abusing your children. It appears that you are also stating that the parents kill the child. That is not what it states. It states both parents can turn them into the authorities and if judged to be wrong they may be stoned. Your argument if based upon making a bunch of false claims.
 
ladybri77 said:
estesbob;4818786:
The problem with heartlight.org is that it is an evangelical Christian website that adheres to once saved always saved and salvation by faith alone.

Catholics aren’t the only ones who have Jesus or the Truth of Him in our hearts. He’s blessed many of His Christian people with Himself and His truth.
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Catholics are the only ones who have the fullness of truth. I have no problem with heartlight.org as long as people understand that they are coming from a standpoint of salvation by faith alone. That can be very confusing for a Catholic who does not realize that
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estesbob said:
ladybri77;4818887:
Catholics are the only ones who have the fullness of truth. I have no problem with heartlight.org as long as people understand that they are coming from a standpoint of salvation by faith alone. That can be very confusing for a Catholic who does not realize that
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We have to consider both those scriptures then don’t we, that we are, “Saved by faith so that we shall not boast”, and the other one that says, “Faith without works is dead”.
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ladybri77 said:
PerryJ;4818911:
If you have the Holy Spirit living in you, then such truth would be evident. I’m talking about God’s basic truths here, not things such as the rapture and divorce, that are common to both faiths if one does indeed have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him.
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With all due respect that is Protestant speak again. This is exactly what led to some 30,000 different Protestant denominations as the Holy Spirit evidently told people many different versions and variations of the truth. As Catholics we have the Church to reveal the truth to us , as they have done quite well over the last 2000 years. Catholics do not read Scripture to discern the truth-we read Scripture to better understand it.
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estesbob said:
ladybri77;4818925:
With all due respect that is Protestant speak again. This is exactly what led to some 30,000 different Protestant denominations as the Holy Spirit evidently told people many different versions and variations of the truth. As Catholics we have the Church to reveal the truth to us , as they have done quite well over the last 2000 years. Catholics do not read Scripture to discern the truth-we read Scripture to better understand it.
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Yes, and God said He will give His Holy Spirit to us who is Truth to enlighten, guide and help us, and since the Catholic church is guided by the Holy Spirit, it lines up with what I believe is Truth also! Amazing.👍
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ladybri77 said:
ladybri:
If you have the Holy Spirit living in you, then such truth would be evident. I’m talking about God’s basic truths here, not things such as the rapture and divorce, that are common to both faiths if one does indeed have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him.
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Truths are not self evident. Ones souls has to be properly formed. The view of the world is twisted by original sin. One views the world through stained glasses. If one could identify truth’s without assistance we would not have Christians still committing sins. We would not have Christians that love God voting for abortion.

There is no God’s “basic truth”. There is only one truth and it covers everything. There is one unmovable God with one truth. The are not layers to the truth some basic and some detailed, some large and some small. There is only one truth.

I am not sure how we got on this tangent. I am simply stating that a rejection of God in anyway is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin just like any other. We should help the sinner. We should not condone the action. We should also not let one be misguided. Christ is loving and just. Too many Christians fall into the trap that Christ is all loving and therefore one can do as one wants. God will always forgive. That is not true. One has to do more than just believe in Christ. One has to live as he lived and among other requirements one has to to reject sin.
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ladybri77 said:
ladybry:
We have to consider both those scriptures then don’t we, that we are, “Saved by faith so that we shall not boast”, and the other one that says, “Faith without works is dead”.
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There are not two truths. One is not saved by faith alone. This is exactly the partial truths that Protestant profess. The use of “Faith” alone is one of the great perils to Christianity. It allows one to sin. Sad so many have misunderstood the Bible. When one incorrectly interprets the Bible it leads to another and another soon the Devil has them far to the left or right of the truth.

I am not stating that Protestants can not go to heaven. I am saying though for a Catholic to refute Christ’s teachings to accept Protestant teaching and partial truth is dangerous.
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estesbob said:
estebobb:
With all due respect that is Protestant speak again. This is exactly what led to some 30,000 different Protestant denominations as the Holy Spirit evidently told people many different versions and variations of the truth. As Catholics we have the Church to reveal the truth to us , as they have done quite well over the last 2000 years. Catholics do not read Scripture to discern the truth-we read Scripture to better understand it.
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That post was an excerpt from someone else. I do not believe the statement that this post was referring to.
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ladybri77 said:
Yes, and God said He will give His Holy Spirit to us who is Truth to enlighten, guide and help us, and since the Catholic church is guided by the Holy Spirit, it lines up with what I believe is Truth also! Amazing. 👍
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Pellman said:
But let’s just suppose it is genetic. Or rather, to be more general, let us suppose that it has an identifiable biological cause, not necessarily “genetic”. For the sake of discussion, it could be genetic or due some condition in the womb. Or even some chemical cause in childhood.

But let us suppose this cause is identified. what then? Eventually … and it may take quite a while… but eventually, it will be cured.
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Having red hair is genetic. Should that be cured?

The issue is not simply what causes a certain trait, but whether or not that trait is bad.
 
Mystophilus said:
Having red hair is genetic. Should that be cured?

The issue is not simply what causes a certain trait, but whether or not that trait is bad.
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Homosexuality has never been proven “genetic”. I’ve seen evidence of just the opposite - environmental - a relational disorder stemming from man’s brokenness. That’s not to say some biological cause while in the womb, i.e. hormonal changes made the person more attracted to the same sex, but I’ve seen a lot more cases of the other and in my own experience which are environmental.
 
PerryJ said:
ladybri77;4818887:
They have partial truths and not the whole truth. Be careful if you are using Protestant sources for truth as they have much error in them. Look at things like the “Rapture” “Divorce” etc. To believe Protestant truth is higher or more righteous than Catholic truth is wrong. Catholics have the full truth and as such Protestant truth can not supersede Catholic truth. They just have bits of the truth.

Why go to people that have a partial truth?
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Who’s to say that Catholic truth can’t also contain errors? Because we say it doesn’t? It has been handled by humans more (if you consider time) more than protestant truth.
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ladybri77 said:
Homosexuality has never been proven “genetic”. I’ve seen evidence of just the opposite - environmental - a relational disorder stemming from man’s brokenness. That’s not to say some biological cause while in the womb, i.e. hormonal changes made the person more attracted to the same sex, but I’ve seen a lot more cases of the other and in my own experience which are environmental.
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Twin studies have shown that someone who has a gay twin is more likely to be gay than someone who is not, even if the two are brought up in different households. The same is true for non-twin siblings. This demonstrates a genetic factor.

Other sibling studies have shown that someone who is brought up in a household with a gay sibling is more likely to be gay than someone who is not. This demonstrates an environmental factor.

There are a lot more of these, but the summary is that we have a great deal of research data which demonstrates that human sexuality is genetic, that your genes make you a sexual creature, but that specific orientation is the result of a host of factors both chemical (including genes) and psychological (including culture).

What I find amusing about this is that, while there is no gay gene, there is no straight gene either, which throws the whole discussion back into the realm of whether or not there is a reason to vilify loving someone who happens to be of the same sex.
 
NoMoreGames said:
Who’s to say that Catholic truth can’t also contain errors? Because we say it doesn’t? It has been handled by humans more (if you consider time) more than protestant truth.
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The teachings of the Church are not from man.
 
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