Is Iran Next?

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gnjsdad:
But again, contingency plans need some kind of moral dimension, especially in America, which prides itself on its enlightened virtues. That is what I would like to address. I concede that military preparedness demands contingency planning.
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The morality comes in how the plan is executed. But with that we should be prepared for any possible contingency even if we think it is remote. Easy to say, hard to do.

But I think you really need to realize that the initial article may not be entirely accurate. Without saying too much, if you are going to have nuclear weapons you had better have plans (to deviate from) on how and when you would use them. And those plans should run the gamut.
 
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gnjsdad:
The big problem is, who do you retaliate against when any kind of nuclear response will kill thousands of innocent people?
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A hardened bunker, deeply buried, in a remote location, but filled with thousands of innocent people. Riiiggghhhttt.
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gnjsdad:
But again, contingency plans need some kind of moral dimension, especially in America, which prides itself on its enlightened virtues. That is what I would like to address. I concede that military preparedness demands contingency planning.
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Where in the article does it say this plan does not have a moral dimension? How can the moral dimension be measured unless the detailed plan is drawn up that places nukes on kooks so that side effects can be estimated?
 
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gilliam:
I have some problems with some of the details, but I think expanding the concept of BCTs is the way to go.
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Have you seen our plans for the new naval infantry?
 
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stumbler:
Anything that puts the President or the military in a poor light must be true, no matter how weak the evidence. And anything that puts the President or the military in a postive light must be a lie . . . or so I have been told. 😃
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Oh, yeah. No need to check a story that puts the Presoident in a bad light. And if you should slip up and accidentally check it (as “60 Minutes” did on the Bush forgeries), and you don’t like what the experts tell you – why get some experts who will say what you want!

As I said, look at how the left comes running in here with their hair on fire to tell us all about a plan they’ve never seen for an attack that’s never taken place.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
vern humphrey:
As I said, look at how the left comes running in here with their hair on fire to tell us all about a plan they’ve never seen for an attack that’s never taken place.
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As leaked by individuals too weak to stand up publicly.
 
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gilliam:
Interesting. I wonder what the Marines think of the plan?
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I haven’t asked any but that too is my thought. You know hundreds of years ago we took a bunch Sailors and made them Marines to do “marine things”. As the Marines have divested somewhat from the Navy we now are taking a bunch of Sailors and making them into “demi-marines”. Makes me scratch my head. I like the overall idea but I would make it a combined Navy/USMC type of thing with Sailors doing the Sailor part, Marines doing the Marine part (understanding there is some overlap) and both doing the common things such as civil affairs and what not. Regardless, it is definitely different thinking and while I love being an Aviator an option to be “brown water navy” would have caught my interest back when I was an Ensign.
 
*The Democratic National Committee, acting under instructions from Howard Dean’s office, has tasked Party Activists with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another Republican victory in the next electiont.

The plan includes a large scale air assault on the Republican National Committee employing alien Luncheaters from the Planet Zolgarsh. Within Republican ranks there are more than 450 individuals who have been targeted, including many who are slated to be cooked and eaten at the Democratic Victory Dinner. Many of the targeted victims are heavy in polyunsaturated fats, hence the nuclear option.*

As in the case of the last election, the response is not conditional on anyone actually being involved in an act of election fraud (emphasis mine).

Several senior Democratic staffers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing - that Republicans are being set up for an unprovoked cannibal orgy - but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
gnjsdad said:
antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6734
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This one lost me at :
A and recent poll shows six in ten Americans think a new world war is coming: the same poll says about 50 percent approve of the dropping of the atomic bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. Somewhat inexplicably, about two-thirds say nuking those two cities was "unavoidable."
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As one who generally favors the US decision to nuke Japan I can at least understand those who were against it. This guy is either not very smart or so biased that his objectivity is at best questionable and not worth my time.

Okay, read the second one. Once again so what. I can almost guarantee you we had plans to nuke Iraq and Afghanistan during the early parts of the war. Doesn’t mean we do it?

After 9/11, when the military went on alert what do you think STRATCOM was doing? Playing checkers? I assure you they were “locked and loaded” and not with BB guns. It’s part of being prepared.
 
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Stu:
This one lost me at :

As one who generally favors the US decision to nuke Japan I can at least understand those who were against it. This guy is either not very smart or so biased that his objectivity is at best questionable and not worth my time.
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It’s an opinion piece so of course it’s biased. I don’t understand your complaint about the lack of “objectivity” in an opinion piece.
 
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gnjsdad:
Former CIA Officer Philip Giraldi, in his Deep Background column in The American Conservative….
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The American Conservative is a mouthpiece for Buchananites (those who agree with the isolationist views of Pat Buchanan).
 
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gnjsdad:
To my knowledge, no one in the MSM has picked up this one. Your confrere Stu seem to think there is some truth to this.
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How easily you deceive yourself!

The Department of Defense would be remiss if it failed to have plans for any eventuality – and especially for war with emerging nuclear powers.

But to put the spin on an ordinary planning exercise, and to claim there is something sinister about is it is simply fear-mongering.
 
vern humphrey:
But to put the spin on an ordinary planning exercise, and to claim there is something sinister about is it is simply fear-mongering.
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BINGO!

Another headline could be:

“Americans shocked to find the Pentagon actually plans for contingencies” Oh the horror of it all!!
gnsjdad:
It’s an opinion piece so of course it’s biased. I don’t understand your complaint about the lack of “objectivity” in an opinion piece.
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The fact that he finds it “inexplicable” that many feel as though the use of nukes against Japan was unavoidable demonstrates to me a lack of understanding of history. I realize people may disagree on that issue but the fact that he can’t rationalize that decision in the context of the time and place that it happened shows how out of touch he is. Why waste my time?
 
gilliam said:
The American Conservative is a mouthpiece for Buchananites (those who agree with the isolationist views of Pat Buchanan).
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Just as National Review Online (which you regularly cite, btw) is a mouthpiece for American imperialists (those who agree with the interventionist views of David Frum & Co.)
 
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gnjsdad:
That’s true and I am all for being prepared, but we’re talking about an unprovoked attack on a country that wouldn’t have attacked us, an attack, btw, using tactical nuclear weapons.

Apart from the dubious morality, is it any wonder why, when plans such as these come out, that America is feared and hated througout the world to the degree it is?
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Is it any wonder that some people would like to fabricate “leaks” like this to stir up more hatred against us?
 
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