Is Iran Next?

[davy39]

Does anyone recall the cold war, and our fleet of B-52 bombers that were armed with nulcear bombs and in the air 24/7, guarding our security against Russia? Talk about being prepared, we were. Maybe you are all too young to remember this, and the Cuban missle crisis, where we were just a phone call away from oblivion. I would rather be prepared than caught with our pants down again.

 

[vern_humphrey]

davy39:

Does anyone recall the cold war, and our fleet of B-52 bombers that were armed with nulcear bombs and in the air 24/7, guarding our security against Russia? Talk about being prepared, we were. Maybe you are all too young to remember this, and the Cuban missle crisis, where we were just a phone call away from oblivion. I would rather be prepared than caught with our pants down again.

Does anyone recall 9/11? How’d we like to see that again, this time with nuclear missiles from Iran or North Korea?

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad,

Just letting people know that it is a Buchananite publication is all.

We had isolationists during WWII as well that wanted us to leave the Nazis alone. Another time, another Fascist group trying to take over the world.

 

[gnjsdad]

gilliam:

gnjsdad,

Just letting people know that it is a Buchananite publication is all.

We had isolationists during WWII as well that wanted us to leave the Nazis alone. Another time, another Fascist group trying to take over the world.

C’mon, gilliam

First of all, I don’t agree that the America First position is “isolationist”. It was the foreign policy of the United States for the first 150 years of its existence.

Second, “fascists”?? I’ll bet if you called one of the enemy we’re fighting now a fascist to their face, he wouldn’t know what you were talking about. It’s simpler to say we don’t like you, your religion, or your culture without using totally inappropriate and misleading cusswords, which the word “fascist” is in this context.

Third, take over the world? That, like the establishment of a world-wide monolithic Islamic Caliphate, is fantasyland.

 

[gnjsdad]

vern humphrey:

Does anyone recall 9/11? How’d we like to see that again, this time with nuclear missiles from Iran or North Korea?

No nukes were used on 9/11, Vern.

Besides, the rulers of North Korea and Iran know what would happen if they dared try to launch nukes against us. They may be evil, but they’re not suicidal.

 

[vern_humphrey]

gnjsdad:

C’mon, gilliam

First of all, I don’t agree that the America First position is “isolationist”. It was the foreign policy of the United States for the first 150 years of its existence.

You got some documentation for that?

gnjsdad:

Second, “fascists”?? I’ll bet if you called one of the enemy we’re fighting now a fascist to their face, he wouldn’t know what you were talking about. It’s simpler to say we don’t like you, your religion, or your culture without using totally inappropriate and misleading cusswords, which the word “fascist” is in this context.

Which is different from facism, and in particular the Nazi concept of being a superior race and culture, how?

gnjsdad:

Third, take over the world? That, like the establishment of a world-wide monolithic Islamic Caliphate, is fantasyland.

Ah, have you actually studied terrorism?

Al Qaeda is a millinialist movement – they don’t seek a homeland or independence like some other movements. They seek a fantasy world. In keeping with that, they tend toward nihilism – they wish to destroy the exisiting society and culture.

Bin Laden isn’t all that much different in his outlook from Charles Manson.

 

[gilliam]

vern humphrey:

Ah, have you actually studied terrorism?

Al Qaeda is a millinialist movement – they don’t seek a homeland or independence like some other movements. They seek a fantasy world. In keeping with that, they tend toward nihilism – they wish to destroy the exisiting society and culture.

Bin Laden isn’t all that much different in his outlook from Charles Manson.

Or Adolf Hitler … if you examine them, al-Qaeda, the Baathists and the Teleban are all fascists.

 

[vern_humphrey]

gnjsdad:

No nukes were used on 9/11, Vern.

And you guarentee there will be none next time?

gnjsdad:

Besides, the rulers of North Korea and Iran know what would happen if they dared try to launch nukes against us. They may be evil, but they’re not suicidal.

Really? You’re absolutely certain of that?

I guess you haven’t been to Korea – when I was there, we used to record North Korean TV.

I remember one cartoon show – the little kindergarten kiddies were practicing shooting a pop-gun at a target of an evil American soldier (he had a big US on his helmit, so you couldn’t mistake him for anything else.)

One little tyke couldn’t hit the target. He cried all the way home.

That night he had a dream where the evil American soldier stomped on all the children’s toys. When he woke up, he ran all the way to school, grabbed the pop-gun and shot five targets in a row.

While all the other children cheered, the teacher put her hand on his head and said, “See, children? When you hate them enough, you can kill them.”

Now you tell me that this kind of thing will produce only leaders who think logically and without emotion when faced with grave problems.

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad:

C’mon, gilliam

First of all, I don’t agree that the America First position is “isolationist”. It was the foreign policy of the United States for the first 150 years of its existence…

I don’t agree it was the US policy for the first 150 years, so I guess we are even.

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Second, “fascists”?? I’ll bet if you called one of the enemy we’re fighting now a fascist to their face, he wouldn’t know what you were talking about…

If so, that would not be my fault, they would need to read some history.

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It’s simpler to say we don’t like you, your religion, or your culture without using totally inappropriate and misleading cusswords, which the word “fascist” is in this context.
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I am not using fascist as a cussword. I am using it as a political term. al-Qaeda, the Teleban and the Baathists are fascists. That just happens to be the political model they are using. We shouldn’t blind ourselves to that fact. We are fighting fascists.

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

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Third, take over the world? That, like the establishment of a world-wide monolithic Islamic Caliphate, is fantasyland.

You think it is a fantasyland, I might think it may be as well, but they think it is very doable. And so far, they are doing a pretty good job getting to their goal. It may take generations, but so did the first Caliphate.

 

[gnjsdad]

Second, “fascists”?? I’ll bet if you called one of the enemy we’re fighting now a fascist to their face, he wouldn’t know what you were talking about.

gilliam:

If so, that would not be my fault, they would need to read some history.

In other words, they’d have to read some history to learn **what they really are (“fascists”), **as opposed to what they might think they are (fighting to drive out a foreign invader; fighting to preserve their own religion)? At least you can give the enemy credit for fighting for the reasons he says he is. No personal offense, but taking someone at their word is part of Christian chivalry. I think both you and the Bush adminsitration could use a few pointers in that department.

gilliam:

I am not using fascist as a cussword. I am using it as a political term. al-Qaeda, the Teleban and the Baathists are fascists.

And before the U.S. government decided to inject itself militarily in the region, they were bitter enemies. Unless you can tell us just what unites the Taliban, Al Queda, and the Baaathists apart from their hostility toward the U.S., the applicability of the term “fascist” is little more than a term of approbation (we don’t like you).

gilliam:

You think it is a fantasyland, I might think it may be as well, but they think it is very doable. And so far, they are doing a pretty good job getting to their goal. It may take generations, but so did the first Caliphate.

Apart from the Catholic Chruch, what man-made organization can claim to have a historical record of unity from its founding day? None. That is why the Islamic Caliphate will never happen. All man-made entities eventually disintegrate. The Islamic caliphate is no exception.

 

[gilliam]

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/31/AR2005073100208.html

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad:

Apart from the Catholic Chruch, what man-made organization can claim to have a historical record of unity from its founding day? None. That is why the Islamic Caliphate will never happen. All man-made entities eventually disintegrate. The Islamic caliphate is no exception.

I think if you compare the history of Christianity and the history of Islam you will see a lot of similarities.

 

[vern_humphrey]

gnjsdad:

In other words, they’d have to read some history to learn **what they really are (“fascists”), **as opposed to what they might think they are (fighting to drive out a foreign invader; fighting to preserve their own religion)? At least you can give the enemy credit for fighting for the reasons he says he is. No personal offense, but taking someone at their word is part of Christian chivalry. I think both you and the Bush adminsitration could use a few pointers in that department.

If you were given an objective description of the actions of various governments, with no labels attached, you’d be hard put to differentiate between the Islamic fundamentalist dictatorships and the Nazis.

gnjsdad:

Apart from the Catholic Chruch, what man-made organization can claim to have a historical record of unity from its founding day? None. That is why the Islamic Caliphate will never happen. All man-made entities eventually disintegrate. The Islamic caliphate is no exception.

It is one thing to say it will never happen, and another to deny that some brutal monsters are willing to kill unlimited numbers of people to MAKE it happen.

 

[thestickman]

gnjsdad:

Apart from the dubious morality, is it any wonder why, when plans such as these come out, that America is feared and hated througout the world to the degree it is?

Your evidence America is feared and hated is?

Based on the number of people who daily risk life and limb to come to our nation to live and work and enjoy our personal & economic freedom I think there’s more than enough evidence to suggest the opposite of your assertion is true.

 

[vern_humphrey]

thestickman:

Your evidence America is feared and hated is?

Based on the number of people who daily risk life and limb to come to our nation to live and work and enjoy our personal & economic freedom I think there’s more than enough evidence to suggest the opposite of your assertion is true.

Based on the number of Muslims who have died fighting on OUR side in this war, and who continue to risk their lives, it appears the people most likely to know support us.

 

[otm]

navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-961657.php

News pieces sometimes lead to wrong conclusions.

Having said that, I would question what exactly the “Navy industial analyst” was talking about - the part that would clearly step on the Marines turf, or the riverine group. If the latter, the analyst would appear to be in his 30s - that is, too young to realize that was a major part of the Navy’s job in Viet Nam.

But I forget - that was an ancient war that we “lost”.

 

[otm]

gnjsdad:

Suppose our greatest fear comes true. Al Qaeda gets a suitcase nuke into this country and detonates it. The big problem is, who do you retaliate against when any kind of nuclear response will kill thousands of innocent people?

Thousands of innocent people?

I don’t make a habit of persuing the latest innovation in nuclear warfare, but from what little I have gleaned, tactical nuclear weapons differ from Fat Boy like a BUFF differes from a hang glider.

 

[Stu]

otm:

News pieces sometimes lead to wrong conclusions.

Having said that, I would question what exactly the “Navy industial analyst” was talking about - the part that would clearly step on the Marines turf, or the riverine group. If the latter, the analyst would appear to be in his 30s - that is, too young to realize that was a major part of the Navy’s job in Viet Nam.

But I forget - that was an ancient war that we “lost”.

Based on the internal stuff I have read, the conclusions are correct. I foresee the “brown water” mission to be resurrected and expanded.

 

[Deus_Vult]

If they keep it up…I would have to say yes.
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[Deus_Vult]

gnjsdad:

That’s true and I am all for being prepared, but we’re talking about an unprovoked attack on a country that wouldn’t have attacked us, an attack, btw, using tactical nuclear weapons.

Apart from the dubious morality, is it any wonder why, when plans such as these come out, that America is feared and hated througout the world to the degree it is?

So in your opinion Iran is our friend? Did you forget the 52 hostages they took…Oh but maybe it made it ok because they gave them back…Jan. 20, 1981…and oh yeh that was such a long time ago. Since when has Iran been our good neighbor?

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