Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Non-muslims lived for many years in islamic countries in middle ages. In that time, catholics was killing jews & muslims in europ.

Actually, it entirely depended (much like in Europe) who was in charge. Maimonides, famous Jewish scholar during that time, had to flee from Spain because the persecution of the Jews by Muslims there was so bad. People in the Balkans are still holding grudges against Muslims for the enforcement of the Janissary drafts and persecution of Christian communities. In addition to this, I have icons of Christian saints martyred by their Muslim rulers, and they would all disagree with you that the Islamic countries of that time were entirely peaceful.

 

[GraceSofia]

Are you suggesting that in church system, there is no order to kill an apostate?? If so, please show me from your bibleNT in clear words about the apostates. Until then, all your lecture is useless.

That is correct; nowhere in the Gospels does our Lord Jesus Christ order Christians to kill apostates.
Also, relevant to the thread topic, people in Western countries are free to leave Christianity if they wish, unlike many Muslim-dominated countries which have laws to punish people who wish to leave Islam.

 

[Contarini]

What is the harm if I admired Stalin. He was good while he was allied with USA and Britian. And he had good Moustache.

The first of these points is almost as irrelevant and trivial as the second.

Stalin murdered millions of people. I can’t see that he was preferable to Hitler in any way. In body count he was arguably worse, but I’m not sure how relevant that is.

Edwin

 

[GraceSofia]

The Archbishop of Prague says Islam is a threat, but he also blames Europeans for abandoning their Christian roots.

**Cardinal: EU faces Islamisation ** praguemonitor.com/2010/01/06/cardinal-eu-faces-islamisation

“The Muslims definitely have many reasons to be heading here. They also have a religious one - to bring the spiritual values of faith in God to the pagan environment of Europe, to its atheistic style of life,” Vlk writes.

The individualistic life style of Europeans who are neither able nor willing to make sacrifices is to a great extent responsible for Islam gaining force in Europe, Vlk writes.

“Unless the Christians ‘wake up,’ life may be Islamised and Christianity will not have the strength to imprint its character on the life of people, not to say society,” Vlk says.

“Neither the free market nor freedom without responsibility are strong enough to form the basis of society. Not even democracy alone is a panacea unless it is embedded in God,” Vlk says.

 

[PA650]

What is the harm if I admired Stalin. He was good while he was allied with USA and Britian. And he had good Moustache.

He certainly wasn’t a good individual with fellow Slavs, e.g. the Poles and Ukrainians. If you have the time, check out the film Katyn, which depicts under the order of Stalin the systematic execution of Polish military officers and the intelligentsia of the nation-state.

 

[sedonaman]

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What is the harm if I admired Stalin. He was good while he was allied with USA and Britian. And he had good Moustache.

You might google “harvest of sorrows” to find out.

 

[Fink]

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[seraphime2008]

Personally feel that there is no order to kill any apostate of any faith. I once again say that I agree with what you had written. That is the way it is being practiced or wished to be practiced by the Muslims. That is the reason, we know that they do not understand Islam. They have made a new version of their own Islam. Most Muslims today are like the Jews of the time of Jesus.

If most muslims are like the Jews at the time of Jesus, then indeed muslims need Jesus more than any other people today since they’re so much away from the truth…You need Jesus too!

You can always have access to Jesus now as much as the people have when He was still walking on earth, but I don’t think you have the access to Muhammad now he’s gone!

 

[planten]

The first of these points is almost as irrelevant and trivial as the second.

Stalin murdered millions of people. I can’t see that he was preferable to Hitler in any way. In body count he was arguably worse, but I’m not sure how relevant that is.

Edwin

I am awre of the atrocities perpetrated by Stalin in eastern Europe. He was a ruthless killer. Millions of people suffered under his rule.

It was with great difficulty that the western countries got rid of the plague of the communism with the help of United States of America.

What some of you have said is all true about Stalin. I was only comparing him with Khomaini and Mulla Umar.

 

[KathleenGee]

Stalin murdered millions of his own people, many of these the people who owned businesses, created revenue, smart, independent people.

I read in the Seattle Times around 1983, as Seattle had the second highest number of KGB in the country next to Washington, DC, that the Communists already had their pogrom list for America and who they would exterminate…the usual targets and then the Orthodox Catholics…and I think they meant to say by that all devout Catholics.

Mao Tse Tung was the greatest mass murderer in the world. There was Pol Pot, the lesser communist dictators…Fidel Castro came in to the people with many promises, and as soon as he was in office, the pogroms began, even killing those who supported him.

The Bolsheviks encountered the Muslims in the 1930’s, possibly through the Muslim Brotherhood which is the mother lode of Al Qaeda.

The Communists were masters of disinformation, lying, creating class warfare, labelling…and they were into the New Age…there were bad spiritual entities they used for their disinformation. Their big thing was getting the world to hate America…and destroying our morals from within, and destroying our economy from within…deliberate…all for the poor, getting the votes of our poor, breaking us, the accusations and character assasination…so many people afraid to run for office…destroying the idea of having an official mother tongue, breaking down our borders…the enemy within. They work hand in hand with anyone to destroy America.

I was out there…in Africa when a country I was in was no longer a colony…The first day of their independence, the headlines said, ‘America is the Enemy of the World’.

It had nothing to do with our relatoinship with Israel…But at the same time, terrorism began just 2 years before at the Olympics when the Jewish athletes and their coaches were slaughtered.

And the greatest defense against all of this is American Christianity…we are the great block of this country…but unfortunately the Word of God is fractured…we do not have the great unity the Muslims have…so our Christianity is failing us with all the different interpretations…if we had one faith and one baptism, we would be so much stronger.

Using the Word of God against each other…

 

[Mosacked]

Stalin murdered millions of his own people, many of these the people who owned businesses, created revenue, smart, independent people.

I read in the Seattle Times around 1983, as Seattle had the second highest number of KGB in the country next to Washington, DC, that the Communists already had their pogrom list for America and who they would exterminate…the usual targets and then the Orthodox Catholics…and I think they meant to say by that all devout Catholics.

Mao Tse Tung was the greatest mass murderer in the world. There was Pol Pot, the lesser communist dictators…Fidel Castro came in to the people with many promises, and as soon as he was in office, the pogroms began, even killing those who supported him.

The Bolsheviks encountered the Muslims in the 1930’s, possibly through the Muslim Brotherhood which is the mother lode of Al Qaeda.

The Communists were masters of disinformation, lying, creating class warfare, labelling…and they were into the New Age…there were bad spiritual entities they used for their disinformation. Their big thing was getting the world to hate America…and destroying our morals from within, and destroying our economy from within…deliberate…all for the poor, getting the votes of our poor, breaking us, the accusations and character assasination…so many people afraid to run for office…destroying the idea of having an official mother tongue, breaking down our borders…the enemy within. They work hand in hand with anyone to destroy America.

I was out there…in Africa when a country I was in was no longer a colony…The first day of their independence, the headlines said, ‘America is the Enemy of the World’.

It had nothing to do with our relatoinship with Israel…But at the same time, terrorism began just 2 years before at the Olympics when the Jewish athletes and their coaches were slaughtered.

And the greatest defense against all of this is American Christianity…we are the great block of this country…but unfortunately the Word of God is fractured…we do not have the great unity the Muslims have…so our Christianity is failing us with all the different interpretations…if we had one faith and one baptism, we would be so much stronger.

Using the Word of God against each other…

Kathleen, the key to winning is not in whether which camp is bigger. This battle is God’s. And the only way to win is by relying on Him. Use the sword (truth), use the shield(faith). SPEAK OUT.

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[spn82756]

Another example of peaceful Muslims.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_christmas_attack

 

[GraceSofia]

Another example of peaceful Muslims.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_christmas_attack

Okaaay… seven Christians are machine-gunned to death by Muslims as they leave a church on the Coptic Christmas, and AP reports:

As Islamic conservatism gains ground, Christians have increasingly complained about discrimination by the Muslim majority.

Islamic conservatism? Discrimination?

Why don’t Christians in free Western countries march or demonstrate against the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries when things like this happen?
(Imagine what would happen if 7 Muslims were slaughtered coming out of a mosque in a Western country). I always wonder about this.

Do Muslims think we don’t care about our persecuted brothers and sisters, and are they emboldened by the lack of outrage and response-- not to mention the euphemistic newsreporting?

 

[staffsgt7]

At least 6 Christians killed outside of a Church in Egypt I see that this was already posted, sorry. Just to let everyone know - it is a repeat.

“It is all religious now. This is a religious war about how they can finish off the Christians in Egypt”

The home of the Muslim Brotherhood’s movement, Egypt, seems to me to be like Saudi Arabia - intolerant, strict sharia laws, and Muslim only. This should tell us a lot about what happens when the population of Muslims rise to a certain level.

If you don’t believe me about Egypt, maybe I should show you what is happening in some Southeast Asia countries such as Indonesia. The face of Islam was peaceful, and not so much anymore.

And the question of ‘why don’t Christians in Western countries protest?’. Good question, but maybe you haven’t noticed that there are organizations that are trying to get a handle of what is happening in our own country. We have such organizations as the MSA/MSU, CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MPAC,etc influencing our own country and brainwashing our kids and young adults here. Why don’t more stand up against this here?

I know I do and I even give my money to some of these organizations. I am a group leader for Act! for America. I can tell you that the masses are either one or two of these things: lazy, ignorant, busy (with making a living), or just don’t want to hear that a religion could do such a thing. we have religious leaders who either send out mixed messages such as in the Catholic Church who has a Pope who kisses the Koran, might read from a book that Islam has some problems, but turns around and doesn’t do too much as far as making sure his clergy sends out a clear message that Islam is evil. Their own catechism has a blurb in it that Muslims use to justify their erroneous ideology. And we have Protestants that do the same thing. Some are very vocal and some are not.

 

[staffsgt7]

Here is an interesting article about how Islam is destroying Europe’s culture.

It addresses lying in Islam, the intolerance of Islam and that it destroy’s cultures from within. All the same things that we have heard Muslims shout from some of their protests in NYC that they want to do.

Ibrahim added, “However interpreted, the standard view on Qur’anic abrogation concerning war and peace verses is that when Muslims are weak and in a minority position, they should preach and behave according to the ethos of the Meccan verses (peace and tolerance); when strong, however, they should go on the offensive on the basis of what is commanded in the Medinan verses (war and conquest). The vicissitudes of Islamic history are a testimony to this dichotomy, best captured by the popular Muslim notion, based on a hadith, that, if possible, jihad should be performed by the hand (force), if not, then by the tongue (through preaching); and, if that is not possible, then with the heart or one’s intentions.”

 

[spn82756]

Here is an interesting article about how Islam is destroying Europe’s culture.

It addresses lying in Islam, the intolerance of Islam and that it destroy’s cultures from within. All the same things that we have heard Muslims shout from some of their protests in NYC that they want to do.

Another example of peace loving Muslims…

A church burned down in Malaysia over use of the word Allah.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_re_as/as_malaysia_allah_ban

 

[schaick]

The above verses are for the war time. Apostate may be punished during war time. You have not posted all the verses on the subject. I will present the verses in next post::

I believe that Islam is at war with non-muslims and has been since it’s inception and the Quran is it’s war manual.

Happening here in USA:

metacafe.com/watch/1387331/disturbing_textbooks_islamic_saudi_academy_in_virginia/

I have seen many Muslims use this verse to say Islam is about peace. Funny though becaue even the Quran says it is th rule ordained for the Jews-nothing about Muslims:

5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder **or for spreading mischief in the land **- it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

I tend to spread mischeif in all the land because I do not believe that Islam came from thw One True GOD of the Holy Bible.

 

[staffsgt7]

I believe that Islam is at war with non-muslims and has been since it’s inception and the Quran is it’s war manual.

Happening here in USA:

metacafe.com/watch/1387331/disturbing_textbooks_islamic_saudi_academy_in_virginia/

I have seen many Muslims use this verse to say Islam is about peace. Funny though becaue even the Quran says it is th rule ordained for the Jews-nothing about Muslims:

5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder **or for spreading mischief in the land **- it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

I tend to spread mischeif in all the land because I do not believe that Islam came from thw One True GOD of the Holy Bible.

I think you got it. In Islam the definition for words are different from our own. Mischief means doing something such as not believing in Islam or Mohammed and telling others why you do not believe in it.

A reason why I find even using the Meccan verses, or maybe to say that they ‘ring as hollow’ when they are used, is that there is no message of love or tolerance for others. it is so easy for the insertion of different definitions for words in Islam because the overall message is to wipe out others, to subjugate others, to not tolerate others if they are different, and to call them names like apes and pigs. And when their laws follow that type of thinking, it is too easy for Islam to be at eternal war.

We don’t find the training of children in Islamic teachings to turning out educated young men and women (when they are allowed to go to school) as future scientists, businessmen/women, etc and instead we find they are more in tune to being Jihadists, clerics and imams who carry on that same message of Jihad, etc.

 

[staffsgt7]

Pat Condell on the most barbaric country in the world complaining that Muslims are not given their human rights in Europe.

What some of this is about is the minaret ban, not a mosque ban - but just a noisy, political show from the mosque which is the minaret, is being banned.

The Muslims think they should be MORE than the rest of the population, of course that is what their Sharia laws tell them, that is what their clerics pound in their little gourds all the time. Everyone else should abide by Sharia laws even if they don’t believe in Islam. And instead of stopping their Jihadists and changing their laws to make Jihad a crime (yes, those violent Jihadists who follow Mohammed’s words and do terror, killing and chaos for Allah’s Cause) they tell us that WE should not associate Islam with terrorism.

How can we do that when MOHAMMED SAID THIS:

Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah.
Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make
a holy war, … When you meet your enemies who
are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action.
If they respond to any one of these, you also
accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond
to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting
against them…If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay,
accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they
refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight
them.

(Sahih Muslim 4294)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu
Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, "I have been sent
with the shortest expressions bearing the widest
meanings, and I have been made victorious with
terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)

 

[staffsgt7]

7 Christians and 2 priests put in prison for filing a complaint against their attackers.

People really need to get a book of Sharia laws and reference it because if they think that letting any part of Sharia laws into our system is good for us are not paying attention to what it means to non-Muslims. It means NO rights, NO freedoms. And it is all wrapped up in being a religious duty to make sure they know they should be humiliated and to know that they are dhimmi. Islam is a threat to ALL non-Muslims including Christians around the globe.