Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[RobbyS]

I do believe that Islam is a threat to Christianity around the globe. As you say, Islam’s goal is to dominate the entire world and put the entire world under shariah law. In fact, I read once that they don’t believe that the end of the world will happen until this happens. It’s quite scary really.

Well, the fact is that they have been trying to do this for 14 hundred years , have only partially succeeded, and are truly to pulling themselves out of a slump that has lasted 300 years. Furthermore, the cultures of Muslim countries tend to be exploitive, depending on the intellectual and technical skills of the people they subject. Interestingly, the Japanese. the Chinese and the Hindus have managed to adapt to their own purposes the arts and sciences of the West while the Muslims–especially those Muslims closest to the Arabian heartland–have not., Despite the huge oil reserves at their disposal, the counties are tyrannies whose peoples remain poor and unproductive.

 

[Tyuiop411]

Well, the fact is that they have been trying to do this for 14 hundred years , have only partially succeeded, and are truly to pulling themselves out of a slump that has lasted 300 years. Furthermore, the cultures of Muslim countries tend to be exploitive, depending on the intellectual and technical skills of the people they subject. Interestingly, the Japanese. the Chinese and the Hindus have managed to adapt to their own purposes the arts and sciences of the West while the Muslims–especially those Muslims closest to the Arabian heartland–have not., Despite the huge oil reserves at their disposal, the counties are tyrannies whose peoples remain poor and unproductive.

I dread to think what will happen when either the oil runs out or the West switches to mainly alternative energy sources and the petro-dollars stop flowing.

 

[schaick]

**Islam is a threat **and that is why I came to this forum-to spread the truth of Islam.

Over the past many years I have read the Quran multiple times, hadith and tarsifir [spelling?]., I visit many forums to try and correct the impression muslims have been aught about Christiainity.

Something that most definately fuels their fire- when each of the diferent denominations of trinitarians don’t recognize each other as a part of the One True Church Of Jesus with simply different ways of celebrating their faith.

In some of our schools children are being instructed to play act as Muslims and pray their prayer to allah!! They are also being taught that Islam has brought great advances to the world which by the way is not true.

We [the west] as a great tolerant multiculural civilization have allowed an extremely violent intolerant religion/cult get a foothold-it will be our undoing. I think of Islam as communism but with an allah attached.

Pray for the Muslims-they are caught in a deah cult that will kill them if they try to leave it.

 

[Angel7]

um… Just a quick post. Does not The Roman Catholic Church Teach that the Moslems worship The Same God As The Christians Do?

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/841.htm

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

 

[StrawberryJam]

No, it’s not a threat at all, in fact martyrdom is the fastest way to get to heaven!

Can you be considered a Martyr if you have mortal sin at the moment of death? I never thought about that.

 

[KathleenGee]

I just read that the Christians all over the world are being persecuted and it is so sad what is happening in the Middle East to them.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Christians may be the biggest threat to Christianity. It’s many denominations in disagreement is a big one. With christianity, I don’t think any non christian group will singlehandedly be able to eradicate it no matter how many efforts are made to do so.
It falls hardest from within, not from outside of it.

 

[KathleenGee]

Strawberry Jam,

The greatest divisions are in the United States that has its own form of fundamentalists…so many out there.

I think something will have to come from the outside to correct so much division… I did read an article this fall that some Evangelicals are now looking at this and recognizing the fruits of personal interpretation.

I love southern Italy which is almost all Catholic, the vibrant and joyous parish communities and groups…something I wish the American Catholic Church would emulate…we also deal with so much divisions here…it is hard, discouraging, waning and always makes me sad. To be joyous in new life can be hard in America for a Catholic.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Is the rise of Islam in America and around the world going to be dangerous to the spread and livelihood of Catholicism. I’ve read that the ultimate goal of Islam is to rule the world and to convert every non-believer(infidel) to Islam and if they cannot be converted then murder is justified. This I’ve also read is derived from their “most holy texts” the Qur’an and the Hadith of Bukhari. If you ask a devout Muslim about such claims he is liable to say anything in order to placate the situation because derived from the same texts is that it is appropriate to deceive or lie to infidels for the spread of Islam.

I’m still very young in my Catholic faith but what I understand is that the epitome of being a Catholic is to be a saint(spiritual perfection) by loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, and soul; and to love our neighbors as ourselves achieved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
From my minimal research on Islam it seems the epitome of being a Muslim is to spread the world dominance of the religion using whatever means possible. Murder, Deception, Theft, TERROR. If these inherent evils lie deep in the hearts of all devout Muslims hidden in secret.
Could Islam be a global threat to Christianity in the near future?

Islam in power would enact laws that I do not think would be friendly towards Christians and Jews, let alone other non-Muslims, The treatment of non-Muslims during the end life of Mohammad and the continuation of his policies under his companions shows that. At the same time, of course, what happens will be God’s will. If the Muslims take power over the world, let them. As Christ said, what does it help a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul (Matt 16:26)?

 

[Darryl1958]

Islam in power would enact laws that I do not think would be friendly towards Christians and Jews, let alone other non-Muslims, The treatment of non-Muslims during the end life of Mohammad and the continuation of his policies under his companions shows that. At the same time, of course, what happens will be God’s will. If the Muslims take power over the world, let them. As Christ said, what does it help a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul (Matt 16:26)?

Lose the world, and millions of lost soul is the result of apathetic fatalism.
Evil must be fought against and good must be fought for. Otherwise evil will triumph.

 

[Emeth]

Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

Not more than Satan was/is a threat for Jesus

 

[GraceDK]

Could Islam be a global threat to Christianity in the near future?

Dear brother in Christ.

Islam could not be a threat, as such, to Christianity, because Truth and Love is stronger than violence, lies and death.

Islam is however a totalitarian ideology and like any other totalitarian ideology it does not accept differences but attempts to create ideological uniformity and create a “clean society”… Islam is a very dangeous ideology precisely because it is coupled with religion.
Muhammad used his first mosques not only for prayer but also for political government.
That is why there recently was a big fuss in the Swiss population about minarets, and why I found it sad that the Vatican felt it had to defend these buildings among all the sad constructions in the world.

80 percent of religious persecution is today directed against Christians. The far majority of this is done by Muslims… on the list of countries where severe persecution happens you have North Korea and Saudi Arabia, followed by one Islamic country after the other.
Islam in its pure reformed honesty is no less dangerous than Communism and Nazism.
Wherever you have strong Muslim regimes, you have backwardness, strong and open antisemitism, opression of women, no freedom of religion and consciense, persecution of homosexuals etc.

It’s the Church’s duty to fight against this evil.

 

[GraceDK]

Christians may be the biggest threat to Christianity. It’s many denominations in disagreement is a big one. With christianity, I don’t think any non christian group will singlehandedly be able to eradicate it no matter how many efforts are made to do so.
It falls hardest from within, not from outside of it.

“I can do all things in Him who gives me strength”. That’s a quote from the Bible.
But you are right… the churches are weak and divided today.
However, Christ is not divided, and His Gospel is pretty simple…
Every year thousands of Muslims come to Him.
I have read and heard testimonies from Muslims who said Jesus simply came to them
in their dreams and told them that He Is Who He Is. He does that especially in the closed countries where no missionaries can go.

All wars and violence end at the gates of heaven. At that point there is only one question from our Creator and Father: “What did you do with My Son?”

 

[jakasaki]

Is the rise of Islam in America and around the world going to be dangerous to the spread and livelihood of Catholicism. I’ve read that the ultimate goal of Islam is to rule the world and to convert every non-believer(infidel) to Islam and if they cannot be converted then murder is justified. This I’ve also read is derived from their “most holy texts” the Qur’an and the Hadith of Bukhari. If you ask a devout Muslim about such claims he is liable to say anything in order to placate the situation because derived from the same texts is that it is appropriate to deceive or lie to infidels for the spread of Islam.

I’m still very young in my Catholic faith but what I understand is that the epitome of being a Catholic is to be a saint(spiritual perfection) by loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, and soul; and to love our neighbors as ourselves achieved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

From my minimal research on Islam it seems the epitome of being a Muslim is to spread the world dominance of the religion using whatever means possible. Murder, Deception, Theft, TERROR. If these inherent evils lie deep in the hearts of all devout Muslims hidden in secret.
Could Islam be a global threat to Christianity in the near future?

website I got most these claims
www.thereligionofpeace.com

Very interesting inquiry!

I will **NOT **be alive if and when islam takes over this globe… that’s for sure…

Now, if you browse the net and read, it is **MY **opinion, that if Christianity will drop it’s numbers and islam takes over, it will **NOT **be because islam is superior.

It is because **WE **as Christians have allowed it to happen.

Have you read the posts on this forum? Christian against Christian

Catholics against Greek Orthodox
Greek Orthodox against Catholics

Catholics against Russion Orthodox
Russian Ortthdox against Christians

Orthodox Christians against Catholics
Catholics agaist Orthdox Christians

Baptists, Protestants, Presbyterians, ect… etc… etc… against Catholics

Catholics against the above… ect… etc… etc…

These islamic muslims see the seperation and we as Christians are divided.

Christianity as a “whole” might be bigger than islam is right now, but at the rate we are going of fighting each other, we are the **FUTURE **losers.

All of this is **my **opinion.

NOW, I don’t want you to think that islam is any better…

Sunni muslims are killing Shia muslims.

Shia muslims are killing Sunny muslims

Sunny muslims are killing Ahmadi muslims… and the list goes one.

Taliban are killing many more muslims than non-muslims

Al-Quada are killing many more muslims than non-muslims

Muslims as a whole have a “big” birth rate within their families.

Chistian families are not producing many babies and if they are, **SOME **are not attaching THE Christian religion to them.

Muslims are awaiting for this day to happen.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts. (Book #34, Hadith #425)

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). (Book #43, Hadith #656)

**Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims).

Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): – 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians)

But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them."** (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7) (Book #55, Hadith #657)

The above bold stated:

According to islam, their self proclaimed prophet mohamad and their hadiths:

Our Jesus Christ whom they call Isa/Issa, slave of allah <---- allah is their god, **Jesus **will come back down to earth and break all of the Church Crosses/Crosses as if to state Christianity is worng, **he **kill the swine/pig, <----- I suppose because we eat pork and destroy the tax that is placed on Christians <---- because they won’t exist anymore and make islam the **GLOBAL **religion.

 

[Angel7]

Not All Moslems are like what you are Describing. There are some that are nice. I think you guys are Over-Reacting. Persecution (sadly) happens. Preach, Don’t Persecute. I Find Secularism to be bad news, because it is focused on Worldly things. Muslims worship God just like we do, right?

 

[jakasaki]

Not All Moslems are like what you are Describing. There are some that are nice. I think you guys are Over-Reacting. Persecution (sadly) happens. Preach, Don’t Persecute. I Find Secularism to be bad news, because it is focused on Worldly things. Muslims worship God just like we do, right?

Have you read their koran which is their holly book?

Have you read their hadiths which is the “sunna”, the sayings and actions of their so called self proclaimed prophet?

Have you studied islam?

And please, do not quote me CCC841.

 

[KathleenGee]

Jakasaki,

I share the same sentiments with you and that is why I think the divisions within Christianity are a result of sin and not letting go of past wrongs…people need to be reasonable and not be obstinate when people show others the truth.

We are called to be one.

Islam is now destroying Palestinian Christians as well as those in Iraq…

 

[StrawberryJam]

Jakasaki,

I share the same sentiments with you and that is why I think the divisions within Christianity are a result of sin and not letting go of past wrongs…people need to be reasonable and not be obstinate when people show others the truth.

We are called to be one.

Islam is now destroying Palestinian Christians as well as those in Iraq…

There were problems with christians before Muhammed came. Paul tells us about how when he left a community for a short time, he came back to them to find them in a total disarry.

Several communitites.

Who can anyone blame for that?

 

[PA650]

Have you read their koran which is their holly book?

Have you read their hadiths which is the “sunna”, the sayings and actions of their so called self proclaimed prophet?

Have you studied islam?

And please, do not quote me CCC841.

I would add that one of the most deplorable elements of Islam is Sharia Law.

 

[veritas4Christ]

Not All Moslems are like what you are Describing. There are some that are nice. I think you guys are Over-Reacting. Persecution (sadly) happens. Preach, Don’t Persecute. I Find Secularism to be bad news, because it is focused on Worldly things. Muslims worship God just like we do, right?

Angel is giving us an example of the problem we face here in the West - the inability (or refusal) to see the threat as coming from the islamic ideology, and not from individuals per se. Like any adherent of an ideology, if they are knowledgeable of its tenets and believe it, the adherents of the islamic ideology, called muslims generally, can be judged and held accountable by its standards and beliefs.

Mohammad was a bedouin arab prophet-governer, common in that part of the world for a number of centuries before him. Like all bedouins, his “god” loyalty was dependent on what his “god” did for him, and was interchangeable as the mood swung. He was able to observe the power of the Abrahamic God, and hence monotheism, in the very recent and comprehensive defeat by the Byzantines over the Sassanids, which left both powers decimated. So, as any politically ambitious pagan bedouin would, he jumped onto this “powerful” god for his own purposes. The rest is history, unfortunately interwoven into ours in a bloody and destructive 1400 years.

The argument that some muslims are nice is irrelevant. I’m sure some Nazi’s were nice too. As I’m sure not all Germans were fully aware of what was going to happen until it was too late, despite the strong hints around them. Their being “nice” doesn’t cut it with me.

As to the muslims believing in the same God as the Christian and Jewish God, I agree that they believe that is who they worship. However, they do not worship allah as we do, or rather, if they are adhering correctly to the islamic ideology, they do not worship their god as we do.