Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

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Kantaram88 said:
I just cant believe that an engineering student does not use common sense when questioning. Do you know the size of Vatican City? I bet more than 1000 Vaticans will fit in Saudi Arabia, and here we have an engineer asking for a mosque in Vatican. Do you know what the population of Vatican is? Make a wild guess, and how many of them are muslims? What is the meaning of a mosque in your religion? Just a building because you have money? or a place of worship with no worshipper? Or maybe an hidden agenda to take over Vatican, as has been the case, eat the hand that feeds you.

Secondly, We Christians know who is the prince of the earth, and that is Satan, and if Muslims think that Allah has ordered them to make islam the world religion, than we know very well what the satan wants to accomplish and thru whom.

Also its not only the bells of the church, but also the Cross that makes Satan shiver and maybe thats why building a Church is forbidden in the heartland of Islam. 🙂
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spn82756 said:
If what I have read in the article above is true…then few Muslims seem to follow it. BTW… The crusades were initially to defend Christian lands from invasion.
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Absolutely true SPN, but who will explain the tough nuts? They are too hard to crack and they will only except explaination which suits them, no logical explaination, like the guy asking for a mosque in Vatican which is such a small country, with no muslim population at all and here we have him asking the most silly question, a ditto copy from Zakir Naik their leader.

If zakir naik gave them poison to drink saying its water, they will drink it with relish. 🙂
 
bishonnomahmud said:
theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_929_commentary/
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We’ve been over this before, but to recap:

From your link: “… We previously established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress Muslims, …”

Then how do you explain how Muslim armies got from Medina in 622 to the gates of Vienna in 1683? By coming to the defense of other Muslims being oppressed in Austria?

From your link: “…Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace pacts with them, …”
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. … Of Mahometan good faith, we have had memorable examples ourselves. When our gallant [Stephen] Decatur had chastised the pirate of Algiers, till he was ready to renounce his claim of tribute from the United States, he signed a treaty to that effect: but the treaty was drawn up in the Arabic language, as well as in our own; and our negotiators, unacquainted with the language of the Koran, signed the copies of the treaty, in both languages, not imagining that there was any difference between them. Within a year the Dey [governor] demands, under penalty of the renewal of the war, an indemnity in money for the frigate taken by Decatur; our Consul demands the foundation of this pretension; and the Arabic copy of the treaty, signed by himself is produced, with an article stipulating the indemnity, foisted into it, in direct opposition to the treaty as it had been concluded. The arrival of Chauncey, with a squadron before Algiers, silenced the fraudulent claim of the Dey, and he signed a new treaty in which it was abandoned; but he disdained to conceal his intentions; ‘My power,’ said he, ‘has been wrested from my hands; draw ye the treaty at your pleasure, and I will sign it; but beware of the moment, when I shall recover my power, for with that moment, your treaty shall be waste paper.’ He avowed what they always practiced, and would without scruple have practiced himself. Such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion.” – John Quincy Adams’ Essays
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“It was written in the Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their [Muslims’] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman [as Muslims were called then] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” – Tripoli’s ambassador to London in response to Thomas Jefferson John Adams’ inquiry into by what right did the Barbary states prey on American ships, March 1785. [It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, nor in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia; nor did the state of Israel exist at the time. The US was merely minding its own business.]
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bishonnomahmud said:
I am a student of Texas A&M University at Qatar, which is a branch campus of Texas A&M.

As for building churches in Saudi, will vatican allow Muslims there to build a mosque? …
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The Vatican is a city; there are plenty of mosques in Rome and the rest of Italy. We would settle if the Saudi’s allowed churches to be built in SA and keep only Mecca “sacred”.

BTW, the banning of churches in SA is not to keep it sacred but to prevent competition with Islam. Given a choice, who would select the corporal punishment of Sharia Law over “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.”?
 
Kantaram88 said:
I just cant believe that an engineering student does not use common sense when questioning. Do you know the size of Vatican City? I bet more than 1000 Vaticans will fit in Saudi Arabia, and here we have an engineer asking for a mosque in Vatican. Do you know what the population of Vatican is? Make a wild guess, and how many of them are muslims? What is the meaning of a mosque in your religion? Just a building because you have money? or a place of worship with no worshipper? Or maybe an hidden agenda to take over Vatican, as has been the case, eat the hand that feeds you.

Secondly, We Christians know who is the prince of the earth, and that is Satan, and if Muslims think that Allah has ordered them to make islam the world religion, than we know very well what the satan wants to accomplish and thru whom.

Also its not only the bells of the church, but also the Cross that makes Satan shiver and maybe thats why building a Church is forbidden in the heartland of Islam. 🙂
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great post. both satan and islam want to dominate this world. conversely, Chist said that his “kingdom is not of this world.” clear difference.
 
Kantaram88 said:
I just cant believe that an engineering student does not use common sense when questioning. Do you know the size of Vatican City? I bet more than 1000 Vaticans will fit in Saudi Arabia, and here we have an engineer asking for a mosque in Vatican. Do you know what the population of Vatican is? Make a wild guess, and how many of them are muslims? What is the meaning of a mosque in your religion? Just a building because you have money? or a place of worship with no worshipper? Or maybe an hidden agenda to take over Vatican, as has been the case, eat the hand that feeds you.

Secondly, We Christians know who is the prince of the earth, and that is Satan, and if Muslims think that Allah has ordered them to make islam the world religion, than we know very well what the satan wants to accomplish and thru whom.

Also its not only the bells of the church, but also the Cross that makes Satan shiver and maybe thats why building a Church is forbidden in the heartland of Islam. 🙂
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Excellent post, statement & inquiry!

There is a difference of an “engineering student” from an islamic background, vs… an “engineering student” from a non-islamice background.

Hey, look at the 23 year old Nigerian muslim who tried to blow up the flight to Detroit…

Went to a great university in Great Britian 4 years.

Came from a well to do family.

Lived in a “posh” neighborhood.

And wham-bamm ~ he meets up with the islamic nasties, goes to Yemen and next thing he is ready to give up his life of 23 years plus 4 years of college education & his family only to blow up a US airlines at Christmas.

The only thing he managed to do is burn himself up on the plane and not kill any civilians or bring the plane down to the ground.

There is **no **value for life amongst these “selective” muslims.
 
bishonnomahmud said:
Even one of the grand mosque imama, Shiekh Kalbani said the terrorists those who are detonating themselves with bombs and killing innocents in order to achieve heaven are doing nothing but comitting suicide. And in Islam, the punishemnt for committing suicide is eternal hell fire.
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The problem is the **only sure way **a Muslims can reach paradise is:
9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
However, Allah has ordered Muslims to establish Islam throughout the world. But it should be done peacefully. It should be done for many reasons: 1. Save as many people as we can from the hell fire 2. The world is the land of Allah and thus people should follow his religion.
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How can so many violent Muslims have misunderstood a book meant for all of man? Yes it is vague, but all of them have taken it out of context?
Look at the democracy. How many American soldiers died just for democracy? Why US wants everyone to follow democracy? Because whoever comes up with an ideology or concept, he or she wants others to follow them. However, Islam is no ideaology. Islam is called DEEN in Arabic, which means ‘the complete code of life’. And we also want to spread Islam, mainly to save people from the Hell fire.
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**YOU **can’t even save yourselve from the hell fire. Mohammad and the Quran have not guarenteed you salvation.

Your own Quran says:
5.47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

The Gospel has all the answers for your salvation.

Actually Islam is very much a political idealology as it is a religion. It is a cult in the sense that it is meant to governs every aspect of your life, your ‘the complete code of life’-even laws-sharia laws, it tells you how to dress, how and when to pray, what to eat, what hand to eat with, even how to clean yourself after deficating, etc…

Why democracy? Everyone is equal under the law - men, women and children. Multiculturalism flourishes. Democracy=Freedom of speech and freedom of religion. We are the exact opposite of Saudi Arabia. You don’t care for the leaders-vote them out at the next election-peaceful change of power.

Democracy takes responsibility and the USA had no idea Muslims in the Middle East would not be able to shoulder the responsibility. That they wanted to live not knowing when the next tyrant would punish their soccer team for not winning- or destroy thousands of people [Kurds] just because. We had no idea the men would not want equality for their women and children.
 
bishonnomahmud said:
Even one of the grand mosque imama, Shiekh Kalbani said the terrorists those who are detonating themselves with bombs and killing innocents in order to achieve heaven are doing nothing but comitting suicide. And in Islam, the punishemnt for committing suicide is eternal hell fire.
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When exactly did this Saudi Imam make this statement? Probably when Al-Qaeda started threatening the interests of the House of Saud which pays the upkeep of Mecca. Is Sheikh Kalbani still the imam of the Haram Mosque in Mecca? I note that he recently on BBC called all Shia “apostates”, among other things. www2.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP235509

I wonder what Sheikh Kalbani would have thought of this news from today: reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BM15820091228
about a suicide bomber in Pakistan killing at least 25 Muslims.

The fact is that the Religious Group responsible for the murders of most Muslims today is not Christianity: It is Islam itself. No other religious faith is responsible for more killings of Muslims today than Muslims themselves I believe. Look at how many suicide bombings happen now in Muslim countries - by Muslims against Muslims. I am not demeaning innocent, sincere Muslims, but believe I am stating a FACT. We here of these condemnations of “suicide bombing” but, obviously, it is not working. The fact is Muslim clerics still are unclear on whether being a shaheed is legitimate. All that petrol money that enables the wealth of the country you now reside in, Quatar, also supports Wahhabi mosques.

What vision can Wahhabism offer the world? What can it offer? Love of neighbor as self? Love for enemies? Forgiveness? Hope? Charity?
 
Kantaram88 said:
Absolutely true SPN, but who will explain the tough nuts? They are too hard to crack and they will only except explaination which suits them, no logical explaination, like the guy asking for a mosque in Vatican which is such a small country, with no muslim population at all and here we have him asking the most silly question, a ditto copy from Zakir Naik their leader.

If zakir naik gave them poison to drink saying its water, they will drink it with relish. 🙂
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Many arguments of Zakir Naik (ZN) are not logically honestly admissible. They are childish arguments. I listened to a few of his lectures and found him to be wrong (childish). I remember, in one discussion, ZN was replying to a question about why christians were not allowed to open churches and why they were not allowed to propagate the church teachings in Muslim countries.

ZN replied that because the church teaching was wrong (was false). He said, “Nobody would employ (allow) a teacher in his school who is teaching 2+2=5”. Similarly, because the church theology is wrong, so Muslims cannot allow preaching of christianity in their countries. (I am sorry and surprised that no Muslim intellectuals rise against such idle arguments!!)

That I found was the most flimzy (foolish) argument. Yet many Muslim are very fond of ZN. Many muslims gather around him to listen to his lectures. He seems to be quite popular.

The fact is that, Islam as it is being understood by the Mullas like ZN, that model of Islam is a danger to all the world. Some Mullas have now (rather late) come around to condemning the various muslims terrorist activities. That condemnation is a bit too late, late by about 100 years. Even that condemnation does not seem to be any true condemnation. It is only due to some obligation.

Had they been peaceful, they would have delivered sermons from the mosques on top of their voice for the Muslims all over the world to be peaceful. But they did not do that and the Mullas are not doing that even now. Just a few of them are talking peace occasionally.

I am in favor of Jihaad. But that Jihaad is not with any weapon and it is not directed towards any one else. It is directed towards my self, towards my inner self, to be very peaceful loving person so that I shun all evil and be peaceful at heart under all conditions of affluence or adversity. There is not to be any weapon or war against any one.

The world is a global village. The message is peace. There is no other way. But the Muslism are being fed many bad beliefs. The condition of the Muslims today is exactly like that of the Jews of the time of Jesus.

The present day Jews have advanced and improved their (national) behaviour considerably, beautifully. They have a right to live in the world where ever they like, including their Promised land. But the Muslims will not have any place to live if they do not repent and mend their ways.

I won’t address any christian. But if any Muslim wants to discuss the matters of Jihaad or Preaching or Hajj or Muslim or Kaafir or Murtadd, I am ever ready to support my claims of peaceful Islam sans hatred.
 
Robert Spencer has an excellent short article, "Merry Christmas," explaining why Islam is a threat to Christianity. He uses a Byzantine icon to illustrate.
frontpagemag.com/2009/12/25/merry-christmas-by-robert-spencer/

My paraphrase: because Christian beliefs are expressly denied in the Koran, therefore they are blasphemous, therefore Christians should be persecuted and prosecuted for their beliefs (where and when possible). Christians do not have equal rights with Muslims anywhere Muslims are a majority. But read the article-- Spencer says it better.
 
jakasaki said:
And wham-bamm ~ he meets up with the islamic nasties, goes to Yemen and next thing he is ready to give up his life of 23 years plus 4 years of college education & his family only to blow up a US airlines at Christmas.
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You forgot the 72 houris :p.
 
Is Islam a threat to Christianity ?

I think God is in charge of these things and He seems to use situations for greater purposes.
 
America is in denial because we don’t want to do what needs to be done…deal with it! Protect ourselves and our citizens regardless of political correctness or liberalism ( which is a mental disorder). Go to www.jihadwatch.org to read about what Islam is doing in the rest of the world. Read the Battle of Lepanto and get a rosary and get started. Praying the true life of Jesus out loud must have alot of power in the spiritual world and helps the saints and angels in spiritual warfare…on our behalf.
 
jewells17 said:
America is in denial because we don’t want to do what needs to be done…deal with it! Protect ourselves and our citizens regardless of political correctness or liberalism ( which is a mental disorder). Go to www.jihadwatch.org to read about what Islam is doing in the rest of the world. Read the Battle of Lepanto and get a rosary and get started. Praying the true life of Jesus out loud must have alot of power in the spiritual world and helps the saints and angels in spiritual warfare…on our behalf.
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ultimately, we will do what must be done. but tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions more westerners will have to die before we take the actions necessary to protect ourselves.

on a secondary note, why are so many muslims now living in western nations? simple. because we failed over the past couple of generations to have enough children. that’s why mass immigration has been necessary, in other words, we failed to “be fruitful and multiply,” as God commanded, and we accepted the culture’s contraceptive mentality. and we’ve had 50 million abortions in the u.s. as a reault, we have to import the people who want us dead.
 
captainmike,

Yes you touched on a number of very solid reasons why contraception and abortions’ affect on society makes it a death culture…it just isn’t euthanasia…contraception is a death culture that is destroying future lives.

I know a number of devout Catholic families that are open to having as many children as God wills…
 
somebody above said that if we ban islam, it will just go underground. while that is probably true to some extent, i’m not sure it would be true on a large scale. most muslims don’t “choose” to be muslim. rather, they are born into it and are then threatened with death if they leave the faith (think about that for a moment–why do we have any respect for this “religion” at all??). many stay in the faith out of fear, and many are culturally muslim but not particularly religious. given the opportunity to leave the faith with impunity, i suspect many would do so. banning islam in the west would give them the opportunity to leave.
 
abucs said:
Is Islam a threat to Christianity ?

I think God is in charge of these things and He seems to use situations for greater purposes.
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I would not say that Islam is a threat to christianity. But, the godforsaken Muslim masses of today may be a threat to every one in this world (and a threat o themselves too). I assure you that they do not know abc of religion i.e. Islam. Nearly everything is upside down in their theology.

The recent past scholars misled the Muslim masses into many bad ideas. They have been taught that they must strive to establish the laws of Sharia in the world. And that they should fight all non-believers (non-Muslims). Such scholars preached in Egypt and India and Pakistan, the theory of Jihaad with weapons.

One well known scholar (Maudoodi) wrote in his book that Muhammad preached in the best possible way for 13 years in Makkah. He was not much successful. After ** his failure **in Makkah, when he(Muhammad) took up the sword in his hand the rust and dust of disbelief started to vanish (Means he was very successful in spreading Islam by use of sword.)

One of his followers made headlines recently in newspapers by a photo with a Quran in one hand (Left hand?) and a sword in the other hand. What was the message?? The message was for the world that we offer you the Quran. If you do not accept it then we have the sword for you. What the heck !!!

Another one in pakistan is openly preaching the same thing mentioned above that “We Muslims offer the Quranic teachings to all the non_Muslims. If they do not accept then there will be a sword that will decide between us.” That news is available on the net in a clip even today. Such are the bad teachers who are really responsible for misleading the Muslim masses.
The west cannot do anything against them easily. It is the fair minded Muslims who should get up to face those bigots who have tarnished the name of Islam world wide.Now in shame, those bigots are shedding some crocodile tears.
 
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