Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[KathleenGee]

We have plenty of crocodile tears in America…80% of the accusations against our people were proven false…I was in an accident caused by a Muslim and hit me very hard and then denied no damage done…

I look at Middle East mindset and have come to some amends that a strong arm is needed…

The more people are in dialogue, inspite of disagreements, the better off we are.

www.pavetheway.org is ran by Jews for greater understanding among religions. They had some anti-Catholic ideas about P Pius XII…but when they began looking at all the documents our churches does, they then realized how much he really did…the church is very slow and forward thinking and doesn’t consider much making documents known…the Inquisition didn’t open up to public until 2003.

I truly believe the more we know the truth about each other … as history ‘lies’, and see our common humanity, the more we see we are the same as humans.

I have a Muslim community about 12 blocks from me and I hope to get to know them someday.

 

[staffsgt7]

!Radical Christianity a threat around the globe

(You have to watch past the first few seconds!!)

 

[sedonaman]

America is in denial because we don’t want to do what needs to be done…deal with it! Protect ourselves and our citizens regardless of political correctness or liberalism ( which is a mental disorder).

I repeat an earlier post from another thread for the benefit of the new folks:

We have lost the ability to discern evil, because once liberal tolerance rather than traditional morality became our guiding principle, we ultimately had to tolerate the presence of evil itself.

Examples abound: The modern liberal regime bans the merest breath of the Christian religion in public schools, while subsidizing student clubs devoted to witchcraft. The mainstream media routinely attack the “oppressive” and “racist” police, while ignoring the criminality of the criminals whom the police are “oppressing.” These inversions of decency and sanity are not the work of anarchists. They are the logical consequence of the central credo of modern Liberalism: that all intolerance and discrimination must be eliminated. In a society dedicated to that proposition, the good itself must ultimately be seen as evil, because the good discriminates against evil, while evil must be blessed with victim status, because it is excluded by the good.

The problem described here points to its own solution, which is to abandon the modern liberal ideology that identifies morality with powerlessness, and return to traditional moral standards. Unlike today’s cultural Leninism that defines men’s moral worth as the inverse of their perceived degree of power or of their attachment to established ways of life, traditional morality judges the intrinsic moral qualities of men’s actions, and so is capable of seeing and stopping real evil when it appears. By contrast, as I said, a people that defines the good as tolerance must inevitably end up tolerating evil, even the evil of terrorist killers. Indeed, such a people must ultimately lose the authority to enforce any standards at all, since standards can be enforced only by a society’s dominant culture, and a dominant culture, as a dominant culture, is by definition “unequal” and “exclusive” and thus illegitimate [by liberal standards].

If, therefore, we truly desire to live in a society that can effectively resist the evil of terrorism, or any evil for that matter, we must do two things: (1) define the good not as tolerance but as behavior in accordance with the moral law; and (2) affirm the legitimacy – and thus the moral authority – of our particular nation and its historically dominant culture.

Such a re-traditionalized society will not be absolutely tolerant and non-discriminatory by modern liberal standards. It will, however, be able to assure a civilized order where real evil – such as the evil that now runs free in our country – will not be tolerated.

 

[sedonaman]

ultimately, we will do what must be done. but tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions more westerners will have to die before we take the actions necessary to protect ourselves.

I am thoroughly convinced that if the terrorists manage to set off a nuclear device in one of our cities, the authorities will be wringing its hands and deploring it as some “isolated” criminal act by persons acting alone, and telling us all not to “rush to judgment.”

 

[captainmike]

I am thoroughly convinced that if the terrorists manage to set off a nuclear device in one of our cities, the authorities will be wringing its hands and deploring it as some “isolated” criminal act by persons acting alone, and telling us all not to “rush to judgment.”

if obama is president when it happens, you will be correct. eric holder will personally read the terrorists their miranda warnings, and janet napolitano will go on msnbc and say the system worked perfectly.

 

[KathleenGee]

What is happening to us is deliberate…I was in the mortgage industry for just so many months and we were told that the government had alot of money…I have papers that it looks like it was indeed deliberate…

I told my husband I am no longer putting any credence in the dollar, gold, pensions, social security, annuities, investments domestic or foreign…but in God alone…and the faith of nothing is impossible with God…

We now need much detachment from the comforts of this earth. We must recognize how inimical and deceitful the enemy is, we must also keep disciplining ourselves in the Gospel that Christ stands at the door of every heart.

I also know that China is a great threat…some aspects of it…and the only solution, as John Paul II said was the rosary and penance…pray constantly…

Do you know of the German Jesuit priests provided the greatest act of Providence during WWII??? Here they were, from enemy Nazi land…they were working as missionaries in Japan…

Yes it happened

…the nuclear bomb dropped near them in Japan…I read the obituary of a Fr. Schiller (spelling) who died in the early 1980’s…He and his fellow Jesuits survived the atomic bomb…and they had endured over 200 scientific tests for radiation damage. Nothing…The priests told the dr’s that it was devotion to Our Lady of Fatima…praying the rosary daily, making each day a sacrifice of love for Christ…that was greater than any man made power, who protected them…they never had any trace of radiation on them…

Fr Arrupe was 1,000 ft from the detonation of the atomic bomb, and survived!!! Our Lady of Fatima…the name…the Muslims…

Perhaps we need to promote the Fatima message more in America as they were more involved in sports when Our Lady appeared at Fatima concluding with the Miracle of the Sun…

 

[spn82756]

What is happening to us is deliberate…I was in the mortgage industry for just so many months and we were told that the government had alot of money…I have papers that it looks like it was indeed deliberate…

I told my husband I am no longer putting any credence in the dollar, gold, pensions, social security, annuities, investments domestic or foreign…but in God alone…and the faith of nothing is impossible with God…

We now need much detachment from the comforts of this earth. We must recognize how inimical and deceitful the enemy is, we must also keep disciplining ourselves in the Gospel that Christ stands at the door of every heart.

I also know that China is a great threat…some aspects of it…and the only solution, as John Paul II said was the rosary and penance…pray constantly…

Do you know of the German Jesuit priests provided the greatest act of Providence during WWII??? Here they were, from enemy Nazi land…they were working as missionaries in Japan…

Yes it happened

…the nuclear bomb dropped near them in Japan…I read the obituary of a Fr. Schiller (spelling) who died in the early 1980’s…He and his fellow Jesuits survived the atomic bomb…and they had endured over 200 scientific tests for radiation damage. Nothing…The priests told the dr’s that it was devotion to Our Lady of Fatima…praying the rosary daily, making each day a sacrifice of love for Christ…that was greater than any man made power, who protected them…they never had any trace of radiation on them…

Fr Arrupe was 1,000 ft from the detonation of the atomic bomb, and survived!!! Our Lady of Fatima…the name…the Muslims…

Perhaps we need to promote the Fatima message more in America as they were more involved in sports when Our Lady appeared at Fatima concluding with the Miracle of the Sun…

 

[KyivAndrew]

What is happening to us is deliberate…I was in the mortgage industry for just so many months and we were told that the government had alot of money…I have papers that it looks like it was indeed deliberate…

Kathleen, no need to run for the hills. Why do you believe the Economic Crash was intentional: by whom? It was a tragic Financial Storm where government interference in the housing market (attempting to benefit the less-wealthy with sub-prime mortgage rates - good intention, disastrous result), combined with no regulation of the derivatives market, combined with Greenspan’s extended policy of low interest-rates, and the market’s well-grounded (until then) belief in the perpetual growth in the real estate market which led to the Economic Crash. Only a few foresaw it; not even Greenspan. Economics isn’t exactly a science and no economist or government regulator has a 100% batting record on when exactly real estate bubbles burst.

So maybe it is better not to conflate fears of some “deliberate” conspiracy with the real threat of Islamist conspiracy and collusion, which is what the OP was about, no?

God Bless.

p.s. I agree on the need for prayer in these trying times

 

[KyivAndrew]

O.K. as a suggestion merely, what would be wrong with this initial proposal to deal quickly and firmly with jihadist warriors, in this case the Christmas bomber. Have the Government CLOSE the Mosques that far too frequently are the centers of the radicalization of Muslims. Maybe drastic, but maybe Western civilization needs to start somewhere assertively to establish that this is no joke anymore and Al-Qaeda propagandists will no longer be given Megaphones at mosques in the West. i.e. the East London Mosque. Have it suspended for a while. Draft the necessary legislation and enforce it!

The Christmas day Bomber apparently became radicalized in London, England not in his home of Nigeria. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab: timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6971071.ece

That Mosque had the incredible effrontery to allow for a direct video-conference message from the mouth of one popular jihadist onto U.K. soil and its members. For what? i.e. Earlier this year, the East London Mosque was criticised for hosting a pre-recorded talk by Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical cleric based in Yemen, who the US Department for Homeland Security said acted as a spiritual leader for three of the 9/11 hijackers. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6900621/East-London-mosque-condemns-Umar-Farouk-Abdulmutallab.html

You tell me the Mosque didn’t know what it was playing with in bringing in this jihadist’s radical voice to its members. So the Mayor of London once attended this Mosque as did Prince Charles I think. Suspend it now for a while. Go through the Mosque’s books thoroughly if any Saudi money went or goes into the upkeep and proclaiming a radical Wahhabi agenda. Mosques are places of worship - if they start turning into nests of wannabe suicide bombers because of the Radicals allowed to preach there, Close Them Up in the interests of peace, law, and good governance. We live in the West. Last I heard we do have a Civilization to protect. Maybe we really, really need to get serious with the hotheads in our midst. Why should Western European cities become centers of jihadist brainwashing because of the tolerance shown their “radical” mosques.

The jihadist propagandist in question, apart from being allowed to have an address given to the Mosque the NIgerian Christmas bomber apparently attended, also apparently played a key role in radicalizing the Fort Hood shooter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

I say, as hard as some civil libertarians may find it, if we really are in a civilizational struggle with Radical Islam, the policies we have pursued up until now of proclaiming Islam a religion of peace insistently hasn’t worked. Neither has closing GITMO gained any good marks in Al-Qaeda’s eyes (who would have thought it). If this starts getting into a real internal threat, either close the radical mosques down completely or monitor everyone of them. Just think of all the kids and seniors that would be dead now and not here if the Jihadist bomber had completed his act of terror successfully. Had that Mosque not been there, maybe the suicide-bomber would not have become radicalized.

Food for thought. My 2 cents. Just throwing ideas out.

 

[Mosacked]

Is the rise of Islam in America and around the world going to be dangerous to the spread and livelihood of Catholicism. I’ve read that the ultimate goal of Islam is to rule the world and to convert every non-believer(infidel) to Islam and if they cannot be converted then murder is justified. This I’ve also read is derived from their “most holy texts” the Qur’an and the Hadith of Bukhari. If you ask a devout Muslim about such claims he is liable to say anything in order to placate the situation because derived from the same texts is that it is appropriate to deceive or lie to infidels for the spread of Islam.

I’m still very young in my Catholic faith but what I understand is that the epitome of being a Catholic is to be a saint(spiritual perfection) by loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, and soul; and to love our neighbors as ourselves achieved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
From my minimal research on Islam it seems the epitome of being a Muslim is to spread the world dominance of the religion using whatever means possible. Murder, Deception, Theft, TERROR. If these inherent evils lie deep in the hearts of all devout Muslims hidden in secret.
Could Islam be a global threat to Christianity in the near future?

website I got most these claims
www.thereligionofpeace.com

If Islam can be spread by logic & sense, it wouldn’t be ordering its followers to just SUBMIT (blindly).

Just think, if you are NOT born into a muslim family, nor in a muslim community, how many of you who are sane would accept islam as a religion? I think less than 0.1%. And that would likely be because you want some form of ‘justifications’ for killing people due to your in-ability to adapt socially.

Check out the following to know more about islam.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[Mosacked]

O.K. as a suggestion merely, what would be wrong with this initial proposal to deal quickly and firmly with jihadist warriors, in this case the Christmas bomber. Have the Government CLOSE the Mosques that far too frequently are the centers of the radicalization of Muslims. Maybe drastic, but maybe Western civilization needs to start somewhere assertively to establish that this is no joke anymore and Al-Qaeda propagandists will no longer be given Megaphones at mosques in the West. i.e. the East London Mosque. Have it suspended for a while. Draft the necessary legislation and enforce it!

The Christmas day Bomber apparently became radicalized in London, England not in his home of Nigeria. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab: timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6971071.ece

That Mosque had the incredible effrontery to allow for a direct video-conference message from the mouth of one popular jihadist onto U.K. soil and its members. For what? i.e. Earlier this year, the East London Mosque was criticised for hosting a pre-recorded talk by Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical cleric based in Yemen, who the US Department for Homeland Security said acted as a spiritual leader for three of the 9/11 hijackers. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6900621/East-London-mosque-condemns-Umar-Farouk-Abdulmutallab.html

You tell me the Mosque didn’t know what it was playing with in bringing in this jihadist’s radical voice to its members. So the Mayor of London once attended this Mosque as did Prince Charles I think. Suspend it now for a while. Go through the Mosque’s books thoroughly if any Saudi money went or goes into the upkeep and proclaiming a radical Wahhabi agenda. Mosques are places of worship - if they start turning into nests of wannabe suicide bombers because of the Radicals allowed to preach there, Close Them Up in the interests of peace, law, and good governance. We live in the West. Last I heard we do have a Civilization to protect. Maybe we really, really need to get serious with the hotheads in our midst. Why should Western European cities become centers of jihadist brainwashing because of the tolerance shown their “radical” mosques.

The jihadist propagandist in question, apart from being allowed to have an address given to the Mosque the NIgerian Christmas bomber apparently attended, also apparently played a key role in radicalizing the Fort Hood shooter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

I say, as hard as some civil libertarians may find it, if we really are in a civilizational struggle with Radical Islam, the policies we have pursued up until now of proclaiming Islam a religion of peace insistently hasn’t worked. Neither has closing GITMO gained any good marks in Al-Qaeda’s eyes (who would have thought it). If this starts getting into a real internal threat, either close the radical mosques down completely or monitor everyone of them. Just think of all the kids and seniors that would be dead now and not here if the Jihadist bomber had completed his act of terror successfully. Had that Mosque not been there, maybe the suicide-bomber would not have become radicalized.

Food for thought. My 2 cents. Just throwing ideas out.

Its no use, there are tons of opportunist muslims out there who will deceive other muslims by claiming these muslim terrorists to be either radicalised by social co-ercion from non-muslims (thereby turning some of these moderates themselves into extremists) or claim the guy to be a non-muslim (thereby accusing subsequent related reprisals of being “racists”)

The food for thought is this…and its for the muslims…

According to authoritative islamic hadiths, when muhammad wanted to have sex with his adopted son’s sexy wife, allah appeared to justify his lusts and instructed Zaid to give up his wife so that muhammad can marry her. When muhammad lied for the devil in Ishaq 166, allah also appeared to forgive muhammad. When muhammad wanted more wives, allah appeared to support muhammad’s polygamy.

BUT!..when muhammad was poisoned to death, allah DISAPPEARED! WHY? Even muhammad’s own sons all died in their infancies.

Bukhari 5.713:The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison!”

Question: Why does allah always seem to appear when muhammad needs sex and justification for wrong doing, but totally disappears when muhammad’s life is in danger? Why allah did not prevent zainab from poisoning him? Why didn’t allah warn muhammad?

Why didn’t allah save muhammad and the children? BUT allah ALWAYS seem to appear when it comes to sex. Why?

This is a question based on FACTS…let’s answer this if you are a muslim and stop hiding in corners.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[KathleenGee]

Kyiv,

Absolutely yes. I was in mortgage training. Not my broker…he was in the culture…we would have lenders come and tell us about their products…we were told our government had alot of money. One lender was telling us they gave a lady a loan for a house because she showed them a month’s income…we asked where they got the money…it was where my family had our account…came out beginning last year that the fellow allowing all these loans through was openly taking dope at work. The bank is gone, one of the greatest in the country. We believed the government.

There is more coming out providing the alleged background on how it all came about…it touched on the greed of people…something the communists were focusing on…the soft underbelly of the American people…the name calling, the fomenting of divisions of past wrongs…race baiting…and you never heard that the vast majority of people who fought slavery and died for it were white. America suffered its worst and greatest casualties from our own civil war.

See what i mean?

The people behind this are now in total power of our country…it is so hard…but people who believed in this government providing universal peace and utopia are now finding out they were duped…there is no party we believe in now…but in the good will of those who have faith. America, with all our religious Christian denominations, thousands upon thousands of them…are now being brought together for God and country. I pray for all to be one in Jesus and Mary.

People the world over must stop putting their trust in their checking accounts, their annuities and investments, or even gold but trust in God…with faith that can move mountains…I think of the Polish in during WWII who owned their homes…no mortgage, and the Nazis came in and removed them…taking over their possessions.

Turn to God and live one day at a time…this is what I am trying to do…after being afraid for so long.

My pastor and some people in our parish went to Medgugorje…and they are following the message there…and those of us who didn’t go follow the same…Eucharist, confession, rosary, reflecting on Scripture, penance…this is the ‘little stone’ that will bring down Goliath…there is much peace and protection and conversion over there for those led to go there. You don’t have to go…but if you invest in these, you are walking in security and faith and most of all, God’s providence. We don’t need alot to live…that was the lie that is ending here.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Just think, if you are NOT born into a muslim family, nor in a muslim community, how many of you who are sane would accept islam as a religion? I think less than 0.1%. And that would likely be because you want some form of ‘justifications’ for killing people due to your in-ability to adapt socially.

I think Islam is attractive to societies with no religious / ethical system. For example, Arabia in the 7th century really needed a religion.

Today we’re seeing a similar situation in the west, where traditional religions and traditional morality are being abandoned. Perhaps when our society hits bottom, Islam will fill the void.

 

[spn82756]

Perhaps when our society hits bottom, Islam will fill the void.

Let’s pray not!

 

[jewells17]

This questioned would be answered and we could close the thread…if everyone would start reading www.jihadwatch.org. There would not be a website for tracking global islamic terrorism if it was not a global threat to the world, not just Christianity. Get the email newsletter sent out daily…and pray the rosary every day and start rosary groups.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_929_commentary/

I already addressed that - there is no mention of self-defense or leaving be the People of the Book if they are peaceful. The passages before and after even suggest reasons why you should attack the People of the Book regardless, and that they must not only be defeated but humiliated and subdued.

Let’s see what a renown Muslim scholar closer to the time of the Mohammad has to say about S. 9:29.

Therefore, when People of the Scriptures disbelieved in Muhammad , they had no beneficial faith in any Messenger or what the Messengers brought. Rather, they followed their religions because this conformed with their ideas, lusts and the ways of their forefathers, not because they are Allah’s Law and religion. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad , because all Prophets gave the good news of Muhammad’s advent and commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him, even though he is the mightiest of all Messengers. Therefore, they do not follow the religion of earlier Prophets because these religions came from Allah, but because these suit their desires and lusts. Therefore, their claimed faith in an earlier Prophet will not benefit them because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all Prophets . Hence Allah’s statement, (Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture,) This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination…

(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, (Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. source here and here]

 

[Angel7]

Since 9/11, reading up on Islam and its history of what it has done to other people…and the denial of evil by some Muslim posters of how Islam has expanded…I believe Muhammed is the False Prophet in the pool of fire…and the other threat is Red China.

The Red Dragon and the False Prophet…their reign is coming…the divisions within Christianity are destroying us…I look at the imagery of the river of blood and all the decapitations…

But they will be defeated…Scripture has promised it…

How Islam can justify itself in murder and lying…it is evil. Just these posters ignoring all the evil Islam has done is quite telling…and frightening.

I look at Italy, especially the south with the Catholic unity and spirit of fraternity…The Cathedral of Trani keeps the skulls of 800 Catholic men decapitated on their altar in memory…my priest friend is now pastor near by and the region has a history of invaders from the east…the Muslims were run out by other European powers coming in to help them.

I can see the grace of martyrdom in that region…will we have to shed blood to be one?

China has become increasingly Christian. (That is what I have heard atleast). I read once in an article or something that they predict China to become more Religious in the Future. While Places like the Middle East, become more Secular. (I view Secularism is a very bad threat to Religion) Atleast the Muslims Worship God. It is better than not believing, right? The Muslims and the Jews do not have the Full Truth. Jesus Is The Truth, The Way, and The Light. They NEED Jesus!

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes, but the concern is the Chinese military…very different…and most aggressive in its attacks …

The downing of a Navy jet near Hainan travelling in international waters allowed the Chinese access to our advanced equipment, which was being destroyed as quickly as possible while the jet was being brought down, but they only destroyed a portion…Hainan is the base for their submarines that are now stealth, we can’t pick up on them now because they how much they have stolen and drawn from America through espionage, and they are at economic war with us…send their mystery shoppers with the cameras …most computer hacking and attacks are coming from China. Americans now are the most surveyed and monitored on the planet.

It is like the Jihadists are the distraction. 75% of the mercury showing up in our land comes from China pollution…alot of it hitting Western USA. They want us to be the ones to pay the carbon …

Pray for the Chinese military and the Islamic world.

 

[manualman]

The crucialy required, but almost impossible task here is to separate the humans beings who practice Islam from the ideas and principles that make up Islam. We seem almost incapable of making that distinction!

Muslims are human beings like the rest of us. They are good, but fallen because of Original Sin. Their goodness was instilled in them by their Creator and it remains, even if it is badly damaged. This is why if you have muslim neighbors, they most likely are decent folks. Most humans of ANY religion are nice folks.

But Islam cannot be judged on the basis of the behavior of the muslim neighbors any more than catholicism can be judged by the behavior of Saint Francis or the horrors of a sexual abuser priest. LOOK at what Islam IS.

In Islam, God is taught to be inscrutable, not rational. You submit, not comprehend. Submission isn’t necessarily BAD, but without comprehension it creates an atmosphere RIPE for manipulation and power grabs, and islamic history is FULL that that. It is no coinidence that nations with a long Islamic history and 75% or more muslim population have appalling political structures, vast human rights abuses and virtually stagnant economic and creative cultures. Submission is simply less productive than comprehension! Without oil money, Islam would already be fading into historical footnote status, and that may yet happen once the oil money dries up.

Overall, Islam as a system was a vast step forward when Muhammed concocted it and introduced it to Arabian cultures. But Muhammed’s own fallenness (original sin) and shortcomings are baked in to Islam and have held Islamic culture stagnant in the 8th century to this day. Jesus, on the other hand had no such human shortcomings and so the christian gospel was both a major step forward in 0AD and is STILL a major step forward today.

Islam is not, itself, a major threat to christianity anymore. 700 years ago, yes. The threat to christianity is secular modernism / relativism. If we lick that problem, Islam will burn out slowly by itself. If we don’t lick that problem, then somebody is going to conquer us. Maybe it will be the muslims, but I doubt it. I think it is too far off for the oil money to hold up that long. I’d say the best bet right now would be the Chinese, but that’s another thread and they have their own problems too…

 

[KathleenGee]

There is a post from a Muslim, #98, that lists the convictions of most Muslims today on the thread that covers the Muslims all having different interpretations of the Quran.