Is Islam responsible for 9/11?

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

Not really. I gurantee you, even the scholars who accept the authenticity of the Hadith you mentioned, don’t interpret it the way you do.

Opinion again?
It’s ok if that’s your opinion, so please tell those Ustadz to teach extremist Sunni to not terorring other believers. Okay?

9/11 wouldn’t be even happened if they teaching like what your “ideal” presumptions, which is unfortunately not happen at all in Sunni/Wahhabist’s view.

Perhaps I should’ve mentioned the Catholic Church persecuting heretics as an example instead?

Even your saints such as Augustine of Hippo quoted scripture to try and justify that.

We have Consili Vatican II, so have a read buddy. We are not living in medieval barbaric way and we have internet these days, everything is free to everyone to have access to read important text.

But what I meant was that Catholic priests are meant to be in persona christi according to Catholic teaching, yet they are abusing children in practice… Do you understand what I mean now?

Please, tell me where child abuse be allowed from Catholic’s teaching. Again, it’s not compareable with Surah At-Tawbah 1:29.

 

[Fauken]

Catholic priests are meant to be in persona christi according to Catholic teaching, yet they are abusing children in practice…

Catholic priests are not In Persona Christi at all times (and especially not when they’re sinning). When they are performing their priestly duties (the Sacraments, blessings, etc.), they are.

If I see my local parish priest in a restaurant and start chatting with him, he’s not In Persona Christi. If I ask him to give me a blessing, when he blesses me, he is acting In Persona Christi.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Of course they don’t. And as my students understand, they are not to worship at a mosque. We are called to evangelize, not to syncretize.

 

[SalamKhan]

Opinion again?

Excuse me? And what you say is fact? The arrogance is astounding.

As far as Hadith narrations in which the Prophet (S) is supposed to have said:
“I have been instructed to fight people until such and such…”

I have heard scholars say that the Arabic word used for “fight” indicates two agressive parties. So in other words, the Prophet (S) isn’t saying he has been instructed to attack unsuspecting people, but rather to fight agressors.

As for me telling violent radicals and Wahhabis what to do… Do you have control over sedevacantists and the SSPX? I don’t think you do.

We have Consili Vatican II, so have a read buddy. We are not living in medieval barbaric way and we have internet these days, everything is free to everyone to have access to read important text.

I admire your bravery in criticising a saint of yours.

Please, tell me where child abuse be allowed from Catholic’s teaching. Again, it’s not compareable with Surah At-Tawbah 1:29.

Okay, clearly you don’t understand my point. Nevermind then.

 

[SalamKhan]

My point exactly. Niblo explained the proper rules of jizya according to Sharia, but he responded that this does not occur & instead pointed to abuses of jizya & asserted that Niblo’s definition of jizya is wrong.

According to his logic, I can say that your definition of In Persona Christi is wrong because priests are sinners. It makes no sense.

 

[CTBcin]

I voted no, but there should really be a fourth option: “It’s complicated”.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

Excuse me? And what you say is fact? The arrogance is astounding.

Tafsir or interpretation in the Quran by an individual scholars is obviously opinion. I just citing from the Quran and Hadith in this thread, and the message is clear. Attack other religions, and fact is terrorism in the name of Islam is happened. You repeatedly trying to switch the off topic (from 9/11) is certainly your tactic for denying the fact that Al-Qaeda is Sunni Islam organization. If don’t understand what is opinion, i don’t know what else i got to say.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

I admire your bravery in criticising a saint of yours.

You assumption is not true. You can’t find a fact which part I critizing a Saint.

Okay, clearly you don’t understand my point. Nevermind then.

Good, have a nice day reading texts on your own. Don’t forget to take Arabic course first, and then give Dakwah to Madrasah rather then making a big fabricated claim on internet.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Yeah, we criticize saints all the time. I could make quite a speech about saints I have a hard time understanding or relating to. It doesn’t take away from their holiness. Saints are human and represent a huge number of personalities, times and cultures. I was just reading about one who was allegedly famous for publicly flogging herself while still a teenager; obviously this sounds more like some kind of disorder by our standards today so I hve difficulty relating, even though it may have made perfect sense in the social context of her time.

There are also saints such as Thomas Aquinas who held some beliefs that were later disavowed by the Church.

 

[SalamKhan]

I just citing from the Quran and Hadith in this thread, and the message is clear. Attack other religions

Nonsense.

Al-Qaeda is Sunni Islam organization

Even if they’re Sunni, so what? Do other Sunnis have to agree with them just because they’re Sunni? What a load of tosh. Islam isn’t a monolithic religion like Catholicism.

You assumption is not true. You can’t find a fact which part I critizing a Saint.

Augustine of Hippo quoted scripture to justify persecuting heretics. You called that “barbaric Medieval”.

rather then making a big fabricated claim on internet.

Look, if you didn’t understand the point I was making, just move on. Rather than accusing me of fabricating anything. You clearly have no clue of what I’m talking about.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

Nonsense

I’m telling you the fact what Quran an Hadith command you. Do you want more? I’ll sing this Surah Al Baqqarah 191 for you:

وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجُوهُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ ۚ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ ۚ وَلَا تُقَاتِلُوهُمْ عِنْدَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّىٰ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ ۖ فَإِنْ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

“And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

Is this supposed to be peaceful religion? Btw no other religion in the modern day to ask their believers this way. This is my favorite verse when I was a Muslim. So, don’t tell me how to become a Muslim.

Even if they’re Sunni, so what? Do other Sunnis have to agree with them just because they’re Sunni? What a load of tosh. Islam isn’t a monolithic religion like Catholicism.

Who’s monolithic religion now? How do you explain for the command of killing unbelievers of Islam?

Augustine of Hippo quoted scripture to justify persecuting heretics. You called that “barbaric Medieval”.

I accept that you will not reading Consili Vatican II.

Look, if you didn’t understand the point I was making, just move on. Rather than accusing me of fabricating anything. You clearly have no clue of what I’m talking about.

Yes, that’s always been your weapon, name calling. It’s the lowest form of argumentation.

 

[SalamKhan]

You say it’s a caricature, but then go on to talk about infallibility. One thing I’ve seen Catholics boast about to non Catholic Christians, is how the Catholic Church is monolithic, because it has an infallible authority, so there isn’t multiple Catholic denominations like there is with Protestantism.

The Qur’an is the infallible word of God, but the human beings reading/interpreting it are fallible, most Muslims have no problem admitting that. Even Sunni scholars of the past such as Imam Ghazali had no problem admitting that to the Ismaili Shiahs who claimed to have a living infallible authority.

If you don’t know the context that I’m mentioning this in is, then please refrain from commenting. I was trying to make a point, which seems to be lost on everyone.

 

[SalamKhan]

No, he said when he used to be a Muslim, that was his favorite verse, and he interprets it the same way terrorists do. I just said that if that were the case, was he a terrorist as well?

 

[SalamKhan]

I wasn’t trying to tell you what to do, I was just saying there was no point in commenting on something you didn’t know the context of.

Do you mean Eastern rite Catholics? Or sedevacantists & SSPX?

 

[TC3033]

Non-Catholics should not be teaching in Catholic schools.

Interesting. I’m not Catholic. I coached at a Catholic high school for 4 years (they sought me out) and I know they had some non-Catholic teachers as well.

I’d very much consider them to be a Catholic school…

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

My brother,

I repent for Jesus Christ, Lord of every Lord. I’m truly sorry if I offending anyone on this forum. Peace.

 

[Tommy999]

I replied ‘yes’, although with mixed feelings. I believe the majority of Muslims are good and decent people who mean no harm to anyone and want to live in a peaceful world and raise their families like everyone else. I knew a man from work who was a decent and moral person who slipped away from his desk a few times a day to go pray, which I think is his obligation as a Muslim

However, in my opinion, the moderates don’t do enough to corral the fanatical sects within Islam (like the Wahabi) who take certain passages from the Koran literally that promote killing and violence to non-Muslims.

In other words, it’s like the Muslim Mafia taking over the Islamic religion while the vast majority of Muslims are either powerless or afraid to do anything about it, or perhaps tacitly approve of the more violent factions. I truly don’t know.

 

[pnewton]

Of course they don’t. And as my students understand, they are not to worship at a mosque. We are called to evangelize, not to syncretize.

You might have misunderstood how that conversation was going, but it started with:

Because we are one nation under God. But a different god than Islam. I wonder why Catholic’s don’t know this? Hmmm

This was contrary to Catholic doctrine. We are called to evangelize, but not syncretize, but also we also have a calling to ecumenism. You may not agree, but you also believe non-Catholics should not be teaching at a Catholic school, something else the Church does not teach. So, should even a Catholic teacher teach the Catholic faith, or their own version, opinions, and additions to the Catholic faith?

I would think the doctrine of the Catholic Church on Islam should be current, not antiquated.

 

[anabib]

To generalize an entire religion based on what a few terrorists did is not okay. If someone from your religion committed a crime, you wouldn’t like people to generalize you and paint you as someone that you’re clearly not. You wouldn’t like that blame put on you. Every religion will have bad members. Every religion will have good members. This is why some people are racist. They see a few people from a certain race doing wrongful things a generalize their entire race. Don’t be xenophobic.

 

[LilyM]

To generalize an entire religion based on what a few terrorists did is not okay. If someone from your religion committed a crime, you wouldn’t like people to generalize you and paint you as someone that you’re clearly not. You wouldn’t like that blame put on you. Every religion will have bad members. Every religion will have good members. This is why some people are racist. They see a few people from a certain race doing wrongful things a generalize their entire race. Don’t be xenophobic.

Exactly! Imagine if Christianity as a whole were held accountable for, for example, the horrors of the Westboro Baptist Church. We would say that Westboro Baptists cherry pick or misinterpret verses of the Bible to justify their opinions, just as Muslims on this thread (and I defer to their superior knowledge of the whole of the Quran and Hadith) state that terrorists might cherry pick or misinterpret verses of the Quran or Hadith.