Is it a requirement that priests ordained now know how to perform extraordinary mass?

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Just curious. I’ve recently become very fascinated by Traditional Latin Mass and want to ask my priest of he’d ever consider doing one, but do all priests even know how? Like is it still a requirement for ordination for a priest to know how to perform a TLM?
 
jas84173 said:
Just curious. I’ve recently become very fascinated by Traditional Latin Mass and want to ask my priest of he’d ever consider doing one, but do all priests even know how? Like is it still a requirement for ordination for a priest to know how to perform a TLM?
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No, there is no requirement that newly ordained priests be proficient in the celebration of the EF Mass. I’m not entirely sure that priests ordained today even have to be proficient in the speaking of Latin? Yes, they no doubt have some familiarity with the language, but becoming proficient or even fluent is not something that’s required as far as I know.
 
Not at all, in fact many if not most priests ordained in the past 40 years don’t know Latin at all. A gentleman that I used to share a cubicle with at work maybe 15 years ago washed out of the seminary with a year to go.

He’s about 70 now, and doesn’t know even Latin to read a state’s official motto.
 
Solomonson said:
I’m not entirely sure that priests ordained today even have to be proficient in the speaking of Latin?
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The Code of Canon Law (Can. 249) does require those in priestly formation to “understand Latin well.” The reality in the seminaries is, of course, very different.
 
Every priest in our Archdiocese has studied Latin and Greek.
 
Generic_Name said:
The Code of Canon Law (Can. 249) does require those in priestly formation to “understand Latin well.”
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No. If you look back at Canon 242 you’ll see that the canons in this section do not bind the seminarians. Instead they bind the conference of bishops to establish a program of priestly formation which fulfills these requirements and is approved by the Holy See. A subtle but important difference.
 
I’m with Fr. Mitch Pacwa on this one. Forget the Latin mass. Let’s re-institute the “original” Aramaic mass. Probably Fr. Mitch and Jim Caviezel are the only two who could offer it. 😉 Well, Jim offered it in the movie…
 
I don’t think so, but climate change is required. 😊
Reaffirming the requirement that seminarians study Catholic social teaching, the document says the education must include a study of climate change and other environmental threats.
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“Protecting the environment and caring for our common home – the Earth – belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality,” the document says. Catholic priests must be “promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.”
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catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/priests-should-learn-about-climate-change-as-part-of-their-formation
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Roman Catholic pontiff Pope Francis has quietly embraced human-engineered climate change in a series of studies and announcements, culminating in a new papal order last week that makes it a mandatory subject for all priests in seminary.
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In a statement that was little noticed by the establishment media — but heralded by a prominent Catholic website over the weekend — the pontiff issued “new guidelines” for educating priests: while “reaffirming the requirement that seminarians study Catholic social teaching, the document says the education must include a study of climate change and other environmental threats.”
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The church officially accepts climate change and commissioned a study by the Vatican’s own Pontifical Academy of Sciences that stated: “We call on all people and nations to recognize the serious and potentially irreversible impacts of global warming caused by the anthropogenic [human-caused] emissions of greenhouse gases and other pollutants, and by changes in forests, wetlands, grasslands, and other land uses.”
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Pope Francis has continued to confirm the church’s position, which includes full support for the Paris Climate Agreement, which he describes as “urgently needed.”
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At least one online Catholic webzine — that claims a daily readership of 100,000 — is proclaiming its enthusiasm for the new guidelines for priests while accusing the fossil fuel industry of financing a “disinformation” campaign to promote skepticism of global warming.
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dailycaller.com/2016/12/12/catholic-priests-to-study-climate-change-as-part-of-theological-training
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catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=72433
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po18guy said:
I’m with Fr. Mitch Pacwa on this one. Forget the Latin mass. Let’s re-institute the “original” Aramaic mass. Probably Fr. Mitch and Jim Caviezel are the only two who could offer it. 😉 Well, Jim offered it in the movie…
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Aramaic is not the language of the Church. Latin is.
 
Kielbasi said:
That’s good, but it still is a far distance from studying these languages, and being fluent enough to say mass in Latin.
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Other than a handful of classicists, I doubt anyone is truly fluent in Latin today. There are some people that might be proficient in Latin (a far cry from being fluent) and even that is a far cry from “studying” Latin as seminarians do as you point out.
 
Solomonson said:
Other than a handful of classicists, I doubt anyone is truly fluent in Latin today. There are some people that might be proficient in Latin (a far cry from being fluent) and even that is a far cry from “studying” Latin as seminarians do as you point out.
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Speaking to the OP, however, being proficient or fluent in Latin is only part of what it takes to celebrate mass in the traditional way. There are a lot of rules which have to be followed as far as movements and actions.
 
Digitonomy said:
No. If you look back at Canon 242 you’ll see that the canons in this section do not bind the seminarians. Instead they bind the conference of bishops to establish a program of priestly formation which fulfills these requirements and is approved by the Holy See. A subtle but important difference.
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Agreed. That’s the point at which I was driving, I just wasn’t clear with the way I put it.
 
Digitonomy said:
No. If you look back at Canon 242 you’ll see that the canons in this section do not bind the seminarians. Instead they bind the conference of bishops to establish a program of priestly formation which fulfills these requirements and is approved by the Holy See. A subtle but important difference.
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Well, have the various national conferences established programs that require some knowledge of Latin? I am interested in the USA, but also any other country.

Requirements of learning classical languages was related to purposes of scholarship. For instance, seminarians before Vatican II studied Greek, even though there is very little Greek in the Mass, because of its use in Scripture and other documents. The same may have been true of Latin.
 
jas84173 said:
Just curious. I’ve recently become very fascinated by Traditional Latin Mass and want to ask my priest of he’d ever consider doing one, but do all priests even know how? Like is it still a requirement for ordination for a priest to know how to perform a TLM?
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I would guess that out of the total number of priests globally only a small percentage are proficient in Latin.
Many seminaries do not even teach Latin anymore.
 
Not to derail…but do all exorcists know latin?

And if so, why is this a requirement for them and not all priests.:confused:
 
Pianistclare, I’m glad to hear that the priests in your archdiocese must study both Latin and Greek. I don’t know if this is a requirement in my diocese, but I do know priests here who are proficient in these languages. I am a great lover of the EF form of the Mass, but even if these priests never learn how it say it, their education in Latin and Greek was not wasted. These priests can study the New Testament in the original Greek, and Vatican documents in Latin. They can know for themselves what is really said in the scriptures and the documents, and will be better able to explain them to us than if they had to rely on translations. This is especially important when interpreting Vatican documents. Let’s thank our priests who have made the effort to study these languages.
 
po18guy said:
I’m with Fr. Mitch Pacwa on this one. Forget the Latin mass. Let’s re-institute the “original” Aramaic mass. Probably Fr. Mitch and Jim Caviezel are the only two who could offer it. 😉 Well, Jim offered it in the movie…
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Check with the Chaldeans. They never abandoned Aramaic and you should be able to find plenty of priests who are fluent.
 
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