Is it a sin for women to wear bikinis?

[CWBetts]

My wife, the mother of my two kids, looks ridiculously hot in a bikini.

Surely we both are going to hell.

Why would you reduce your wife to an object of desire? “looks ridiculously hot” is doing exactly that. You are describing her not as a person, but as a means to satisfy your lust.

 

[PatriceA]

Why would you reduce your wife to an object of desire? “looks ridiculously hot” is doing exactly that. You are describing her not as a person, but as a means to satisfy your lust.

Why shouldn’t he find his wife “hot”? I certainly hope my husband finds me “hot” after 13 years of marriage! I have never understood why people automatically play the “lust” card when two married people are attracted to each other and find the way they look is “hot” or “sexy” in certain clothes. My husband has a blue shirt that is just the right shade that matches his eye color and he being in that shirt drives me crazy. I really must be “lusting” after him then, huh?

 

[The_Bucket]

Why would you reduce your wife to an object of desire? “looks ridiculously hot” is doing exactly that. You are describing her not as a person, but as a means to satisfy your lust.

Oy.

I live and work in service of my wife and family. I would die for her and for my children if need be. My wife is the most incredible person I’ve ever met; she’s brilliant, kind, caring, a terrific mother and teacher. I love her for her character and her soul.

But she’s also hot. I’m pretty sure I’m supposed to be sexually attracted to my own wife.

 

[LittleSoldier]

You at leas have to admit you have no teaching authority, and you have yet to come up wit a single shred of evidence that immodesty is not a problem

I never claimed to have teaching authority! Where did I ever say that I did? Please cite the post number.

I have absolutely no problem at all with anyone dressing in a midi-skirt, a skirt or dress that almost reaches the floor, long sleeved blouses, turtleneck sweaters, a traditional nun’s habit, a robe, a scarf over one’s head. It’s not my decision and I am trying to make that clear to you. What do you not understand?

I also stated that immodesty is a SIN and I never stated that “immodesty is not a problem.” What do you not understand?

You, on the other hand are judging other Christians. You are assigning motives to their actions when, in reality, you have absolutely no idea what their motives are. What gives you that authority?

 

[The_Bucket]

Why shouldn’t he find his wife “hot”? I certainly hope my husband finds me “hot” after 13 years of marriage! I have never understood why people automatically play the “lust” card when two married people are attracted to each other and find the way they look is “hot” or “sexy” in certain clothes. My husband has a blue shirt that is just the right shade that matches his eye color and he being in that shirt drives me crazy. I really must be “lusting” after him then, huh?

I found my wife to be sexually attractive even BEFORE we got married. Heck, even before we got engaged! You could say that my attraction to her body played a pretty important role in deciding to try and date her, which turned out to be a very good thing since I got to find out how amazing a human being she is.

I am clearly deluded by lust.

 

[CWBetts]

Oy.

I live and work in service of my wife and family. I would die for her and for my children if need be. My wife is the most incredible person I’ve ever met; she’s brilliant, kind, caring, a terrific mother and teacher. I love her for her character and her soul.

But she’s also hot. I’m pretty sure I’m supposed to be sexually attracted to my own wife.

I’m just saying your speech says that she is a sexual object. If you do really respect your wife as you say, then don’t you think you should speak of her in a respectful manner, and not like she is just there to satisfy you. Think about it. There is a great deal of a difference between saying “I find my wife incredibly attractive” and “My wife is ridiculously hot.” Objectively, they both mean the same thing, but the former is much more respectful, and the latter is much more objectifying.

 

[LittleSoldier]

The dogma of papal infallibility does not mean you are free to totally ignore the things the Pope says which you don’t like if he’s not speaking infallibly and it would be very stupid and arrogant to do so not to mention that it is a sign of a schismatic mentality.

The Bikini is not compatible with Christianity as shown by 2000 years of Christian traditions in dress and teaching on the need for modesty, furthermore you would not be granted entry into any Catholic church building dressed so utterly revolting as proof I invite you to try and visit the Vatican in one or any church in one of the few remaining truly catholic countries, Malta.

Furthermore those who say otherwise as well as been utterly wrong are guilty of the sin of encouraging others to dress in a sinful way and will have to answer to God for their support of this evil way of dressing, or rather not dressing and their consent to all the sins that go with it.

But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” [John 8:7, NAB]

Are you without fault? Are any of us without fault? Why insult and judge another person? Here is another scripture passage which is appropriate:

Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye. [Matthew 7:1-5, NAB]

 

[CWBetts]

I never claimed to have teaching authority! Where did I ever say that I did? Please cite the post number.

I have absolutely no problem at all with anyone dressing in a midi-skirt, a skirt or dress that almost reaches the floor, long sleeved blouses, turtleneck sweaters, a traditional nun’s habit, a robe, a scarf over one’s head. It’s not my decision and I am trying to make that clear to you. What do you not understand?

I also stated that immodesty is a SIN and I never stated that “immodesty is not a problem.” What do you not understand?

You, on the other hand are judging other Christians. You are assigning motives to their actions when, in reality, you have absolutely no idea what their motives are. What gives you that authority?

I am judging NO ONE. I am saying that if you are a Christian, and no one can tell that you are from your witness, then there is a problem. Your witness is not just words. It is behaviors, attitudes, and yes, it is dress. I have never seen anyone do so much rationalizing for behavior that is as objectively immoral as I have seen on this thread.

 

[The_Bucket]

I’m just saying your speech says that she is a sexual object. If you do really respect your wife as you say, then don’t you think you should speak of her in a respectful manner, and not like she is just there to satisfy you. Think about it. There is a great deal of a difference between saying “I find my wife incredibly attractive” and “My wife is ridiculously hot.” Objectively, they both mean the same thing, but the former is much more respectful, and the latter is much more objectifying.

I was being slightly crude to make a point. But privately, I hope I’m a sexual object/creature in my wife’s eyes. I think I am, but given that she’s, well, out of my league, I’ve got to work hard to keep up my end.

 

[The_Bucket]

Why shouldn’t he find his wife “hot”? I certainly hope my husband finds me “hot” after 13 years of marriage! I have never understood why people automatically play the “lust” card when two married people are attracted to each other and find the way they look is “hot” or “sexy” in certain clothes. My husband has a blue shirt that is just the right shade that matches his eye color and he being in that shirt drives me crazy. I really must be “lusting” after him then, huh?

I’m guessing most people who make those claims are A) unmarried, B) are married but don’t have a very good sex life or C) take TotB to a crazy extreme. I don’t say that to try and be insulting, I’m simply saying that most of those who bust out the lust card for married spouses look too much at the teaching that it is “possible” for a spouse to be an object of lust and not enough that sexual relations is what defines the marital relationship from other close relationships.

 

[estesbob]

Oy.

I live and work in service of my wife and family. I would die for her and for my children if need be. My wife is the most incredible person I’ve ever met; she’s brilliant, kind, caring, a terrific mother and teacher. I love her for her character and her soul.

But she’s also hot. I’m pretty sure I’m supposed to be sexually attracted to my own wife.

My wife is likewise all of the above. The only problem I can see with her is she thinks I’m “hot” also

 

[LittleSoldier]

I am judging NO ONE. I am saying that if you are a Christian, and no one can tell that you are from your witness, then there is a problem. Your witness is not just words. It is behaviors, attitudes, and yes, it is dress. I have never seen anyone do so much rationalizing for behavior that is as objectively immoral as I have seen on this thread.

In post #81 Patrice stated the following:

Its nothing about pride or worship, but honestly saying I’m out of shape and wanting to be in better shape is about God and taking care of my body that he created. Right now, I’m not there but I have a plan and I’m going to wear a nice cut swimsuit again when I reach my goal.

In post #83 you responded by saying:

SO you cans show off about what you did. It is a “llok at me” mentality. Like I said, pride and body worship.

You are stating that you know why Patrice is trying to get into better shape (“SO you cans show off about what you did,)” even though she had stated that “wanting to be in better shape is about God and taking care of my body that he created.” You made an unfounded assumption.

You have decided that you are the one who can decide why another person does something. You are not omniscient; I don’t think you know Patrice personally, and for you to decide that you know why she does anything means that you are judging her.

Who made you in charge of what is modest and what isn’t? You have your opinion just like the rest of us and there’s nothing wrong with that. But you’ve gone beyond that - you are now telling Patrice why she is doing something and you really have absolutely no idea.

As for me, in post #87 you stated the following in a response to a post I had written:

Not judgmental. I am calling sin for what it is. There is a difference between shaving, bathing, keeping fit, etc and wearing clothing that has but a single purpose: to show off the body. I f you want to dress like a stripper, that is up to you, but it can never be called anything other than immodest.

You are, at the very least, inferring that I want to dress like a stripper. Strippers may start off wearing an extremely skimpy bikini, but they then remove the bikini. That’s why they are called strippers. They also get paid for what they do.

You are judging.

 

[The_Bucket]

My wife is likewise all of the above. The only problem I can see with her is she thinks I’m “hot” also

Crazy women and who they’re attracted to. I’m not going to rock the boat though.

 

[CWBetts]

I’m guessing most people who make those claims are A) unmarried, B) are married but don’t have a very good sex life or C) take TotB to a crazy extreme. I don’t say that to try and be insulting, I’m simply saying that most of those who bust out the lust card for married spouses look too much at the teaching that it is “possible” for a spouse to be an object of lust and not enough that sexual relations is what defines the marital relationship from other close relationships.

I simply aware that lust is one of the seven deadly sins, and lusting after your spouse is still lust. Why do you think I am unsatisfied with my station in life? Excuse be for offending your idea that you are a paragon of Catholicism.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Why would you reduce your wife to an object of desire? “looks ridiculously hot” is doing exactly that. You are describing her not as a person, but as a means to satisfy your lust.

Oh my, Carl - more judging. You are assuming he has “reduced [his] wife to an object of desire.”

I hope that he finds his wife “hot” when they are both in their eighties.

Being attracted sexually to one’s spouse is a blessing. I would hope that he also thinks of his wife as his best friend, the mother of their children, the person he wants to spend time with, the person he has fun with, the person he can talk to about anything that is either bothering him or making him happy, the person who completes the covenent he made (with her) when they were married.

Sexual attractiveness is only one facet of a beautiful diamond that is called marriage.

 

[CWBetts]

In post #81 Patrice stated the following:

In post #83 you responded by saying:

You are stating that you know why Patrice is trying to get into better shape (“SO you cans show off about what you did,)” even though she had stated that “wanting to be in better shape is about God and taking care of my body that he created.” You made an unfounded assumption.

You have decided that you are the one who can decide why another person does something. You are not omniscient; I don’t think you know Patrice personally, and for you to decide that you know why she does anything means that you are judging her.

Who made you in charge of what is modest and what isn’t? You have your opinion just like the rest of us and there’s nothing wrong with that. But you’ve gone beyond that - you are now telling Patrice why she is doing something and you really have absolutely no idea.

As for me, in post #87 you stated the following in a response to a post I had written:

You are, at the very least, inferring that I want to dress like a stripper. Strippers may start off wearing an extremely skimpy bikini, but they then remove the bikini. That’s why they are called strippers. They also get paid for what they do.

You are judging.

Now pay attention. If someone feels the need to show off, that is pride. I, too am working on losing weight, but not to show off the “new me” but to take care of the gift that God has given me. The mere fact that she can’t wait to show it off belies her real motives. I would recommend you learn how to read critically.

 

[The_Bucket]

I simply aware that lust is one of the seven deadly sins, and lusting after your spouse is still lust. Why do you think I am unsatisfied with my station in life? Excuse be for offending your idea that you are a paragon of Catholicism.

So, I can’t find my wife to be sexy? I can’t be sexually attracted to her, be turned on by her or whatever else, even when not in private? How, pray tell, should I initiate marital relations then? Should I be overcome with pure love of her character and soul and expect my body to respond? Sorry, that’s just absurd.

When I find myself very connected to her soul and her character, I tend to write a poem or letter to her and leave it on the bed.

When I’m physically attracted I want to, well, connect physically. Pretty sure she feels the same way. Sometimes anyway.

 

[CWBetts]

So, I can’t find my wife to be sexy? I can’t be sexually attracted to her, be turned on by her or whatever else, even when not in private? How, pray tell, should I initiate marital relations then? Should I be overcome with pure love of her character and soul and expect my body to respond? Sorry, that’s just absurd.

When I find myself very connected to her soul and her character, I tend to write a poem or letter to her and leave it on the bed.

When I’m physically attracted I want to, well, connect physically. Pretty sure she feels the same way. Sometimes anyway.

I never said you shouldn’t be sexually attracted. My issue is the crude way in which you referred to her. My issue is with the apparent lack of respect.

 

[PatriceA]

Crazy women and who they’re attracted to. I’m not going to rock the boat though.

That’s because we crazy women can recognize really great husband material when we see it, and a sense of humor is one of those qualities.

 

[The_Bucket]

Now pay attention. If someone feels the need to show off, that is pride. I, too am working on losing weight, but not to show off the “new me” but to take care of the gift that God has given me. The mere fact that she can’t wait to show it off belies her real motives. I would recommend you learn how to read critically.

So a wife shouldn’t want to show off her body to her husband? And we shouldn’t all be proud of the hard work we do to keep ourselves in shape? It’s not wrong to say, buy a new car and take it for a drive to show it off. Making that car the center of your life or define you or intentionally try to make other people envious, well that’s vanity. It’s not wrong to be proud of yourself for making yourself healthier and more appealing to the opposite sex and show it off… within some boundaries. Like say a woman shouldn’t get into great shape, put on a g-string and start heavily flirting with men and a man who gets into great shape shouldn’t walk around shirtless and invite women to touch his chest, abs or biceps.